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August 3, 2013 11:44:49 PM

Hello, a few months ago I came strolling around Toms Hardware looking for help building my very first gaming PC with a budget of 700 dollars.

The components I purchased were...

Samsung 24x DVDRW SATA ($34.99)

ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 - AM3+ Micro motherboard ($63.43)

AMD Phenom II x4 965 Black Edition CPU ($94.97)

(X2-4GB) Memory Corsair XMS 1333MHz Kit ($44.97)

EVGA GeForce GTX 650 TI GPU ($149.97)

500 GB SATA HD ($59.97)

M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($54.99)

Windows 7 Home Premium ($99.99)

&

Powersupply 550w ($80.99)

around $683 without Taxes an Fees.
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I was hoping you could help me look for some new parts either from Tiger Direct or Newegg for a decent price to replace my low budget parts. Though there is no Low Budget there is no need to purchase something worth 300+ dollars I am not that crazy into my computer specs but I do what to max my performance (16-24GB Ram and 7.1 Surround Sound Audio Support, HDMI Support etc.)


Currently I have debated on if I should keep my current CPU (AMD Phemon II) and go for a bigger more supported Motherboard, and if I can just get a non-stock fan to replace my stock fan to have better cooling while gaming to keep my current CPU as it has only been about 6 months. (not necessary but would be nice to treat the CPU with some respect)

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

as for the memory, am I better off just getting 4x8GB memory to replace my 2 4gb cards I don't really need 24GB RAM as I know that is a lot an just extra money as 16GB ram is good enough an just save myself some cash for my gaming equipment (Oculus Rift & Razer) also needing at least 1. 2 TB HDD


Anything is appreciated (New Tower with better air circulation perhaps?) I do like the current Motherboard I have picked out so why not throw some parts my way to help me out.



Thank you again :3
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August 4, 2013 12:14:50 AM

Well, for that rig my first suggestion for upgrades would be the video card. I would get an nVidia 760 as my first choice, because the next step up is 400 dollars(770). Wait on the Cpu till Amd releases their next batch of processors. They will still fit into your motherboard with maybe a bios update. You definitely want to get a Cpu cooler though. You can overclock that current Phenom II to 3.8 easily, so why not get a cooler that you'll be able to use on whatever Cpu you choose to upgrade to down the road? My current favorite is this: http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&s... . I would have liked to see 1600mhz Ram in your system, but it's not worth buying a whole new set just to get it, and since more than 8gb's of Ram isn't needed it's doubly a waste. If storage space isn't a concern, you can also consider buying an SSD. You'll only use it for your OS and a few games, but it'll give you something real and tangible to notice as an upgrade in performance.

My pick for a good 760: http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&s...
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August 4, 2013 7:01:56 AM

Swordkd said:
Well, for that rig my first suggestion for upgrades would be the video card. I would get an nVidia 760 as my first choice, because the next step up is 400 dollars(770). Wait on the Cpu till Amd releases their next batch of processors. They will still fit into your motherboard with maybe a bios update. You definitely want to get a Cpu cooler though. You can overclock that current Phenom II to 3.8 easily, so why not get a cooler that you'll be able to use on whatever Cpu you choose to upgrade to down the road? My current favorite is this: http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&s... . I would have liked to see 1600mhz Ram in your system, but it's not worth buying a whole new set just to get it, and since more than 8gb's of Ram isn't needed it's doubly a waste. If storage space isn't a concern, you can also consider buying an SSD. You'll only use it for your OS and a few games, but it'll give you something real and tangible to notice as an upgrade in performance.

My pick for a good 760: http://us.ncix.com/products/?usaffiliateid=1000031504&s...



By "Get a whole new 1600mhz Set" what did you mean by that :o  ?

with an SSD what would I have to do? Format the OS over to it or... does it automatically do that?

I didn't need it as it was over my budget but I could use it to improve performance thats for sure.
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August 4, 2013 11:28:49 AM

A whole new set of Ram, meaning replacing your 1333mhz for 1600mhz. It would be a waste of money, but ideally you'd have bought the 1600mhz in the first place. And yes, you'd reinstall your OS onto the SSD and a few games, and just use your regular 500gb HDD as a storage drive.

So things you want to look at for upgrades:

Video Card. You are probably looking at at least 170 dollars to buy something that will be a good enough improvement over what you are using now, so that might be lower on your priority.

Cpu Cooler. You'll probably be spending 30-50 dollars for a good one so you can overclock that Cpu. It's super simple, and I bet you'd get that 3.4ghz Cpu to at least 3.8ghz without really trying.

SSD. It's something that will give you the most noticeable performance difference, but it really only decreases the load times in games and when booting the Pc up. However, it should definitely be on your list.

Motherboard. You'll probably be wanting a 990fx chipset motherboard for better performance and overclocking capability. Or, save your money if you decide you want to switch over to an Intel build.

Cpu. You'll actually need a new motherboard for this, because yours only supports up to 95w Cpu's. It might work, but I wouldn't push it.

Ram. If nothing else seems like a good idea, buy a new set of 2 x 4gb's 1600mhz(or 1866mhz depending on price, sometimes it's cheaper) for your Pc. If your sole concern is for gaming and watching movies or web browsing on this Pc, you don't need more than 8gb's. If you are video editing or programming, then 16gb's might be better.

Case is purely up to you. If your temperatures are running too high, or you don't think there is enough room for a new graphics card, then definitely upgrade. Pricing can be anywhere from 30 dollars to 300 dollars, just find one that works for you and is within your budget.
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August 9, 2013 12:58:22 AM

Swordkd said:
A whole new set of Ram, meaning replacing your 1333mhz for 1600mhz. It would be a waste of money, but ideally you'd have bought the 1600mhz in the first place. And yes, you'd reinstall your OS onto the SSD and a few games, and just use your regular 500gb HDD as a storage drive.

So things you want to look at for upgrades:

Video Card. You are probably looking at at least 170 dollars to buy something that will be a good enough improvement over what you are using now, so that might be lower on your priority.

Cpu Cooler. You'll probably be spending 30-50 dollars for a good one so you can overclock that Cpu. It's super simple, and I bet you'd get that 3.4ghz Cpu to at least 3.8ghz without really trying.

SSD. It's something that will give you the most noticeable performance difference, but it really only decreases the load times in games and when booting the Pc up. However, it should definitely be on your list.

Motherboard. You'll probably be wanting a 990fx chipset motherboard for better performance and overclocking capability. Or, save your money if you decide you want to switch over to an Intel build.

Cpu. You'll actually need a new motherboard for this, because yours only supports up to 95w Cpu's. It might work, but I wouldn't push it.

Ram. If nothing else seems like a good idea, buy a new set of 2 x 4gb's 1600mhz(or 1866mhz depending on price, sometimes it's cheaper) for your Pc. If your sole concern is for gaming and watching movies or web browsing on this Pc, you don't need more than 8gb's. If you are video editing or programming, then 16gb's might be better.

Case is purely up to you. If your temperatures are running too high, or you don't think there is enough room for a new graphics card, then definitely upgrade. Pricing can be anywhere from 30 dollars to 300 dollars, just find one that works for you and is within your budget.




Okay then, currently I do have 880 dollars in my bank as I just got paid for my Job and I will be upgrading a few items as I stated before my computer is only a few months old since I custom-built it and I am looking for just the basics right now as I find the GPU and CPU to be in well working performance for what I do for gaming without any issues.

I will be purchasing the MBO which Supports AMD 990FX Chipset & 8channel Audio (Which is 7.1+2 Audio I believe)
Asus Crosshair V Formula AM3+ Motherboard - ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 990FX/SB950, DDR3 2133 MHz (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 2.0, CrossFireX Ready

The CPU cooler which I assume will fit in my MID tower will be...
Cooler Master Hyper N520 CPU Cooler - Socket LGA 775, AM2, AM2+, 1156, AM3, 1366

HDD for extra storage as I do make videos and store very large files up to 10-20-30 GB each....
Seagate ST3000DM001 Barracuda 7200.14 Hard Drive - 3TB, SATA III (6Gb/s), 3.5", 7200RPM, 64MB

SSD to speed up my performance and to hold a couple large video game files...
Samsung 840 Series MZ-7TD250BW 250GB Solid State Drive - 2.5" Form Factor, SATA III, 540 MB/s Read Speed, 250 MB/s Write Speed

2 Case Fans to increase circulation throughout my case...
Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP Case Fan - 120mm, Blue x2

I also will be purchasing some RAZER equipment which would be...
Razer Naga, Razer Ultimate Stealth & the Razer Tiamat 7.1 DSS Headset

Later on in the future when I make my next check I will be deciding on if I should up my RAM and my GPU or wait a while until I need to also plan on purchasing the Oculus RIFT for the maximum gaming experience.


I just want to be double checked that the current components I have are compatible with each other & one more thing, if I do plan on changing from my VGA to HDMI what would I need? A double sided HDMI for GPU and for HDMI TV as my TV is HDMI-2 an such I do not know much about using HDMI.
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August 9, 2013 5:38:57 PM

I would avoid that cooler simply because it's an older product and not necessarily up to the task of cooling a new Cpu. It's got two 92mm fans in a push/pull configuration, whereas the newer setups have at least one 120mm fan, and ideally 2 or 3 140mm fans in a push/pull. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo has one 1200mm fan, and that will work for a budget cooler very well. If you have the money, I'd look into the Noctua NH-U12s cooler though. Better performance and around 50 dollars in cost.

Any particular reason why you want that motherboard? In my opinion, it's a waste of money. If the sound chip is the reasoning why you want it over a regular 990fx, I'd buy a 130 dollar board, and buy an add in sound card. 215 dollars is a lot to spend for a brand new Intel motherboard, let alone a 990fx.

Sounds good on the HDD and SSD. Case fans are up to you for what you want. I'd avoid getting a Razer mouse. I've owned two, and both of them have died for the same reason. Read the reviews on Newegg, and you'll see that it's a common recurring problem for their mice. You click a mouse button once, and you get double-clicks. I last bought a Razer Imperator 2012 and it took less than 5 months for it to happen under light to moderate gaming. I love their products, but the quality isn't high enough to where I'd recommend purchasing a mouse from them.

You'll just need an HDMI cable. A 6 footer from newegg should run you about 6 dollars or so. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to spend more than this. HDMI is a digital source, so either it will work, or it won't. Analog is the older technology that will suffer from signal degradation and the reason why Monster makes 50 dollars cables(think Rca cables, or the 5 pronged rca-like cables).
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August 10, 2013 5:41:51 AM

Swordkd said:
I would avoid that cooler simply because it's an older product and not necessarily up to the task of cooling a new Cpu. It's got two 92mm fans in a push/pull configuration, whereas the newer setups have at least one 120mm fan, and ideally 2 or 3 140mm fans in a push/pull. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo has one 1200mm fan, and that will work for a budget cooler very well. If you have the money, I'd look into the Noctua NH-U12s cooler though. Better performance and around 50 dollars in cost.

Any particular reason why you want that motherboard? In my opinion, it's a waste of money. If the sound chip is the reasoning why you want it over a regular 990fx, I'd buy a 130 dollar board, and buy an add in sound card. 215 dollars is a lot to spend for a brand new Intel motherboard, let alone a 990fx.

Sounds good on the HDD and SSD. Case fans are up to you for what you want. I'd avoid getting a Razer mouse. I've owned two, and both of them have died for the same reason. Read the reviews on Newegg, and you'll see that it's a common recurring problem for their mice. You click a mouse button once, and you get double-clicks. I last bought a Razer Imperator 2012 and it took less than 5 months for it to happen under light to moderate gaming. I love their products, but the quality isn't high enough to where I'd recommend purchasing a mouse from them.

You'll just need an HDMI cable. A 6 footer from newegg should run you about 6 dollars or so. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to spend more than this. HDMI is a digital source, so either it will work, or it won't. Analog is the older technology that will suffer from signal degradation and the reason why Monster makes 50 dollars cables(think Rca cables, or the 5 pronged rca-like cables).



The reason why I would like that MOBO is because of the design as I do have a see through case an I am the type person who prefers something that can do what I want it to do but look good doing it, the same goes for the Noctua NH U12s, I want something similar to that but something that looks nice inside my case.

Though to save 100 dollars I guess I can always just go to the
Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 AM3+ Motherboard - ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 990FX/SB950, DDR3 1866 MHz, SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 2.0, CrossFireX Ready

pretty much the same just not as good looking in color sense.

for the CPU cooling fan would I wanna buy an additional fan to increase the cooling ability of it? if so, what type of fan would i buy seperately for the:
Cooler Master RR-212E-20PK-R2 Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler - 120mm Fan w/ PWM, LGA 1366, 1156, 1155, 775, FM1, AM3+, AM3, AM2+, AM2

Also for the Razer Mice, I asked a friend she has had hers for over a year with no problem and she is a HARDCORE pc gamer playing nonstop button mashing games like S4League and such so I will go ahead with the Razer mice aswell as their equipment.

I have had double click problems before but that was because I dropped or hit the mice when i lost on any form of MMO lol

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August 10, 2013 10:06:41 AM

That motherboard will work, and I do like the looks of it as well. What color scheme are you going with your build? Black/Blue, Black/Red, Black? My wife went with a Black/Red, and eventually I'm going to buy her a Cooler Master Storm Scout II case with red led fans, my current PSU that has a red glowy led and the Thermaltake Frio which is red and black as well. Her other components are black, and she'll go with a Razer Naga Hex in red. It's a lot of fun to color coordinate, and show off your rig.
The closest match I see for the Hyper 212 Evo's first fan is this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-fan-r4b...

To toss another cooler into the mix, what about: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-darkkn...
A really nice looking cooler that isn't a whole lot of money. Or, you could get by with the stock cooler and wait for the Cooler Master Seidon XL to go on sale. Last sale I looked at it was 40 dollars after MiR. Great price for a CLC water cooler that performs well.

I understand about the mice. I just was very disappointed with mine, and then I read the reviews of people having the same issues as me. They have good support though, and a 3 year warranty so if something does go wrong you have options.
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August 10, 2013 1:00:14 PM

Swordkd said:
That motherboard will work, and I do like the looks of it as well. What color scheme are you going with your build? Black/Blue, Black/Red, Black? My wife went with a Black/Red, and eventually I'm going to buy her a Cooler Master Storm Scout II case with red led fans, my current PSU that has a red glowy led and the Thermaltake Frio which is red and black as well. Her other components are black, and she'll go with a Razer Naga Hex in red. It's a lot of fun to color coordinate, and show off your rig.
The closest match I see for the Hyper 212 Evo's first fan is this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-fan-r4b...

To toss another cooler into the mix, what about: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-darkkn...
A really nice looking cooler that isn't a whole lot of money. Or, you could get by with the stock cooler and wait for the Cooler Master Seidon XL to go on sale. Last sale I looked at it was 40 dollars after MiR. Great price for a CLC water cooler that performs well.

I understand about the mice. I just was very disappointed with mine, and then I read the reviews of people having the same issues as me. They have good support though, and a 3 year warranty so if something does go wrong you have options.



The current case I have for my PC is Black and Blue. It glows blue in the front just above the DVDRW and the side fan glows blue as well the fan is one of the more popular case fans http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

That fan for the CPU seems perfect thank you.

So just to recap now...
I am a pretty heavy person when it comes to color scheme and such but I will just be sticking with the case I have and the BLUE LED glow and will go with the cheaper MOBO that isn't as fancy as the glowing and the new CPU would hide msot of it through the glass.

Cooler Master R4-BMBS-20PK-R0 Blade Master Case Fan - 120mm, PWM

Cooler Master R4-L2R-20AC-GP Case Fan - 120mm, Blue x2 (I can put 2 where the Liquid cooling fans normally have to go right?)

Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 AM3+ Motherboard - ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 990FX/SB950, DDR3 1866 MHz, SATA III
(6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 2.0, CrossFireX Ready

Cooler Master RR-212E-20PK-R2 Hyper 212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler - 120mm Fan w/ PWM, LGA 1366, 1156, 1155, 775, FM1, AM3+, AM3, AM2+, AM2

Samsung 840 Series MZ-7TD250BW 250GB Solid State Drive - 2.5" Form Factor, SATA III, 540 MB/s Read Speed, 250 MB/s Write Speed

Seagate ST3000DM001 Barracuda 7200.14 Hard Drive - 3TB, SATA III (6Gb/s), 3.5", 7200RPM, 64MB

Anasai Keyboard
Molten Mouse
7.1 Audio Headset

from razer
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