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August 4, 2013 1:53:15 PM

http://www.mpcelectronics.com/weeklyad/weeklyad.pdf
i'm looking to buy the second computer on the first line(but with the AMD Fx-6200 CPU and i want to add an Nvidia GeForce GTX 650Ti,will the psu support it(in W) or will i need another one?

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August 4, 2013 1:58:10 PM

That link is not for psu
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August 4, 2013 2:02:30 PM

It has a generic 430 watt psu in it, so as usual, the price of the pc reflects what is in it. It wouldnt run any serious gpu for long, if at all. If it was a cx430 , it would probably be fine.
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August 4, 2013 2:02:33 PM

the case has a psu of 430w its in the ad second in first row
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August 4, 2013 2:06:37 PM

You will need to buy a better psu. And windows, i guess. You might as well build your own.
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August 4, 2013 2:11:37 PM

The psu they use comes with the case when they buy them, and is aimed specifically at builds for onboard gpu. It will be pot luck which unknown chinese brand it is, but it will be literally worthless. Without doubt it will not have a decent 12v amps output. You will need to spend$65 on a decent psu to make that machine a gamer.
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August 4, 2013 2:12:48 PM

That psu wud power the system with ease
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August 4, 2013 2:14:07 PM

Sn1992 said:
That link is not for psu


He is looking at the 2nd pc along and wants to know about the psu. I just told him its likely cheese.
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August 4, 2013 2:15:10 PM

beautiful San Diego, i am in blistering phoenix.

so the 650ti only needs a 400 watt power supply. I would really recommend to get the 650ti boost which has a 450 watt requirement.

So what you will need is a power supply that provides 200 watts on the 12volt rail.
the equation to know that is:
amps*volts=watts
soooo...
20 amps * 12v rail = 240 watts. this is how much power can be delivered across the 12volt rail. that is the plug for your GPU

the 650 ti needs a max of 110 watts
the 650ti boost needs a max of 134 watts

If you overclock these numbers go up and I would really recommend to overclock it is really easy and adds between 10-20% in performance. you need very little technical knowledge to overclock as it is as easy as moving a slider bar a few notches to the right.

So if you were to overclock a very comfortable max would be 200 watts on the 12v rail.

more math:
200 watts / 12volts = 16.7 amps

17 amps is usually present on every modern power supply out there.

I also looked on newegg for all of the cheapest power supplies in the 450 watts category. I only saw one power supply that was rated at 16 amps on the 12v rail.

So I would honestly guess that any power supply would be good enough for your choice in graphics cards.

I would call that number and ask what the amps on the 12v rail were just to be safe.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...
above are the specs for the cards

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this is a link to the cheapest power supply and look at the specs and you will see this in the output line
+3.3V@30A, +5V@35A, +12V1@15A, +12V2@16A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@2.0A
see the +12v ratings.

these above numbers are the most important thing in a power supply.

I would also ask him if the power supply has the right connections one 6 pin (I am sure it does but why not ask)
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August 4, 2013 2:15:47 PM

Sn1992 said:
That psu wud power the system with ease


With a 650 ti in it? I wouldnt risk it . not with an oem.
The only part they dont list by brand is the psu cos its RUBBISH!
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August 4, 2013 2:19:13 PM

Yes it would
But yes u r ryt we need exact +12v current output to determine that will it spport or not
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August 4, 2013 2:23:04 PM

Sn1992 said:
Yes it would
But yes u r ryt we need exact +12v current output to determine that will it spport or not


Bell pc's do the same in th u.k. ..
as soon as you ask about the power supply they say they wont warrenty it with a graphics card and try to sell you a better psu on top of the pc price. They dont even know whats in the boxes they get.
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August 4, 2013 3:00:59 PM

honestly i would never really recommend anything that is less than $50, there are some good deals if you wait around for one of those rosewills to get down to $35. the below two are very good power supplies

rosewill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

seasonic:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would risk it with what is inside of the case now. It is close but I really doubt that anything that you can find will be better than what is in that case already at the less than$25 price point.

these could also work but are not great either
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 4, 2013 3:08:12 PM

Best for u is corsair 430w
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August 4, 2013 3:14:54 PM

fkr said:
honestly i would never really recommend anything that is less than $50, there are some good deals if you wait around for one of those rosewills to get down to $35. the below two are very good power supplies

rosewill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

seasonic:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would risk it with what is inside of the case now. It is close but I really doubt that anything that you can find will be better than what is in that case already at the less than$25 price point.

these could also work but are not great either
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.amazon.com/Logisys-Corp-Bearing-Supply-PS550...
i'm not gonna risk it,would this perhaps do?also the psu is not added as a component to the pc it actually comes with the case.
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August 4, 2013 3:15:55 PM

you should always state that there is a mail in rebate of $20 when quoting prices. I hate MIR and will never buy based on that price because it is never guarantied to get that price.

but that is a good power supply made by channel well
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August 4, 2013 3:18:45 PM

Why don't you actually contact MPC Electronics and ask them?

It could very well be that they use the Corsair CX430 as their base model PSU.
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August 4, 2013 3:28:30 PM

I wud suggest u cx 430 for 19$
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August 4, 2013 4:05:30 PM

case:
$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
power supply:
$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu:
$129 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
motherboard:
$55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ram:
$36 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD:
$59 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
dvd:
$17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

so this is the same build with a better case, a superior power supply and lots of fans for $377 then if you do the mail in rebates there is another $30 subtracted for a total of $347. exact same price as what you would get from the pre-built with better stuff

at this point this is what i would really recommend. there is $5 in shipping to add also
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August 4, 2013 5:59:52 PM

ko888 said:
Why don't you actually contact MPC Electronics and ask them?

It could very well be that they use the Corsair CX430 as their base model PSU.


O.K., For those of you who's math, and logic is not so hot I will say this one more time. The vendor states the board, case, ram, burner, and choice of cpu by brand and even model. Regarding the psu it actually AVOIDS MENTIONING IT, AND STATES THAT THE CASE IS 430 WATTS ! They are trying to fudge the distinction line between a power supply unit and a pc. case,so they DO NOT HAVE TO DISCUSS THE POWER SUPPLY.
This is indicative of an ignorant market target.
(they want Joe Shmoe's $'s)
If there was a cx 430 in there for that price ,
DO YOU BELIEVE THEY WOULD NOT MENTION IT?
They have bragged about all the other good parts?
C'mon- WAKE UP!
I am 45 yrs old. I have seen this multiple times with many pc build firms who have folded before the shit hits the turbine.
Do you believe its a coincidence they quote 430 watts?
Pig sh1t! They hope everybody will assume its a cx unit.
Have you even SEEN an o.e.m. psu that is rated at 430?
I havent. 350. 400. 500;? yes.
Never 430.
They are obfuscating con artist tricksters who will disappear in 18 months and start again with a new company at the same Chula Vista address'
MPC electronics was a large company that filed for bankruptcy in the u.s.
in 2008, formerly it had also been called Micron electronics.
This bunch of chancers cannot be found on a U.S. google search engine, re directors, history or anything else.There is no company name, Tax registry details, shit, I cant even find a way to buy off them without ringing the phone number. There home page is not available.
They are a historyless shady bunch of con artists I would not purchase a calculator from, as everything they sell is off the world wide seconds market mostly originating from failed batches of electronics goods traded with a handshake outside a factory back door in China.
Now then; Does Anybody want to take a bet against me there is no cx430 psu in that computer? I start the ball rolling at a nite on the beer.
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August 4, 2013 6:08:43 PM

one of the links further up shows the exact specs of the power supply. I thinkwe have already decided that it is not good enough
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August 4, 2013 6:30:09 PM

Sorry, the link is unavailable. Like every quality web vendor in the world, it seems MPC turn there server off when they close the shop for the night and because they dont have a proper site host they just 'vanish'.
Have you got the gist Original poster Darkrai? I am quite thorough before running a business down , but 'MPC' are chancers of the first order.
If I lived in the u.s. I would even have a word with the tax authorities.
TaTa for now. Good luck with the build.
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August 4, 2013 6:31:20 PM

ko888 said:
@chriss000 you should learn how to use Google.

http://www.mpcelectronics.com/home.php


'server error' x 6 times.
7 TIMES.
Oh, wait. a dial up esq page. Still absolutely no company registration details what so ever. The chancing it vis a vis psu's on two counts is proof enough, but these guys ARE mr invisible. I wouldnt trust then to walk my dog.
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August 4, 2013 6:35:03 PM

the link still works for me. maybe your country just firewalls you. I do not understand what the tax authorities would have to do with this. and would we call the city, county, state or federal tax agency, plus if you buy online you do not have to pay taxes in certain states.
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August 4, 2013 6:45:22 PM

you do realize they have a physical location.
3513 Main St #104, Chula Vista, CA 91911

not that invisible.

http://youtu.be/bs-Q0JmWjj0
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August 4, 2013 6:49:23 PM

fkr said:
the link still works for me. maybe your country just firewalls you. I do not understand what the tax authorities would have to do with this. and would we call the city, county, state or federal tax agency, plus if you buy online you do not have to pay taxes in certain states.


If you buy online from a biz in the u.k., you will be able to see there V.A.T. registration number, company reg no and quite a bit of other information as to who you are buying from. I would assume some similar info should be shown in the states. But, even there home page from what I can see is barren of anything other than an address and two phone numbers.
If you want to look at a british pc building/retail/repair/expert service, just google Yoyotech in london and compare the info,and out of interest the prices.
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August 4, 2013 6:58:16 PM

fkr said:
you do realize they have a physical location.
3513 Main St #104, Chula Vista, CA 91911

not that invisible.

http://youtu.be/bs-Q0JmWjj0


Yeah. And when they fold the company the 'new' company in the same address wont be liable for anything the 'old' company did from that address. They can use any company, and a caveat; 'trading as' .. MPC.
In the U.K., The practice is known as 'Long firming'.
As a rule of thumb, if a biz has changed its actual biz name and directors over the last 3 yrs, its a long firm and tho legal a clip joint.
We can yarn and discuss all nite, but it wont alter the fact these shysters are misleading people on two counts;
1 they are reffering to the case by wattage
2 the wattage is indicative of a cx430 being included.
That is in the first count misrepresentation of goods and in the second count
tho not illegal, deliberately misleading. Ergo, I stand by my comment these people are
' No Fxxking Good'.
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August 4, 2013 6:59:42 PM

we do not have those types of protections I suppose. I was taught in middle school the idea of Caveat emptor (buyer beware). we do have a robust court system to sue somebody including small claims court. the fee for a court case is $15-150 and you can sue somebody for up to 75k i believe. this is of course without legal representation. people have sued for things like there honda not getting the advertised gas mileage and won.

yoyotech is good. I have been there to help other overseas before.
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August 4, 2013 7:13:44 PM

yoyotech does not exist anymore. what the hell
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August 4, 2013 7:22:16 PM

We are here to protect youngsters from 'caveat emptor buyer beware tricksters ' like this poster. All exited he can buy a box an stuff in a 650 . .
if its too good to be true etc cant be taught to teen agers with techno lust !
I am glad you know of yoyo, they are good but even they will tell the odd fib to clear stock. Salesmen everywhere get a bonus. .
I am an older fella with a humble get up, but have helped many with fixed boxes that wer to be land filled.
Anyway, pleasure talkin, gotta do life things.
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August 4, 2013 7:23:03 PM

fkr said:
yoyotech does not exist anymore. what the hell


try again later.
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August 4, 2013 7:28:15 PM

i just saw the forums were down and then i did a few more searches and it said the retail stores were all in liquidation as of last month. but thanks for making me look again as I am trying to help a guy in london buy some parts
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August 4, 2013 7:34:16 PM

fkr said:
i just saw the forums were down and then i did a few more searches and it said the retail stores were all in liquidation as of last month. but thanks for making me look again as I am trying to help a guy in london buy some parts


Thats news to me, i will pop to tot crt rd this week as see whats what ( mite get a clearence item? They were selling 775 asrock boards for £40. at 30 i would delve in)
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August 5, 2013 9:13:20 AM

chriss000 said:
fkr said:
i just saw the forums were down and then i did a few more searches and it said the retail stores were all in liquidation as of last month. but thanks for making me look again as I am trying to help a guy in london buy some parts


Thats news to me, i will pop to tot crt rd this week as see whats what ( mite get a clearence item? They were selling 775 asrock boards for £40. at 30 i would delve in)


the psu is not handed by mpc,it's from the case by LOGISYS but anyways,i'm buying this one hope it will meet the standards. http://www.mpcelectronics.com/LOGISYS-550W-BK-DUAL-FAN-...
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August 5, 2013 9:46:40 AM

i was just looking on newegg and saw this. it has a pretty high failure rate and it is also lacking in OVP and many other protections against damaging other equipment if it goes bad. there is a risk in that power supply and I would never skimp on the power supply as I have had one take out everything on my motherboard before
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August 5, 2013 12:06:34 PM

darkrai531 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
heres more detailed on newegg


FKR rightly points out that logiksys or wtf its called is a pile of poo
and I wouldnt let it anywhere near a gamer level pc case. You really do need the cx430 or something even better than that.
You JUST CANT SKIMP
or you may lose ALL your money spent. I wont post again on this, youve BEEN TOLD.
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August 5, 2013 3:59:06 PM

chriss000 said:
darkrai531 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
heres more detailed on newegg


FKR rightly points out that logiksys or wtf its called is a pile of poo
and I wouldnt let it anywhere near a gamer level pc case. You really do need the cx430 or something even better than that.
You JUST CANT SKIMP
or you may lose ALL your money spent. I wont post again on this, youve BEEN TOLD.

i'm getting a cooler master psu i guess now?

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August 5, 2013 4:34:58 PM

why not just buy your own from newegg or at least use the power supply from this build. It is the same as you are buying but with a better case:

case:
$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
power supply:
$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu:
$129 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
motherboard:
$55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ram:
$36 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD:
$59 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
dvd:
$17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

so this is the same build with a better case, a superior power supply and lots of fans for $377 then if you do the mail in rebates there is another $30 subtracted for a total of $347. exact same price as what you would get from the pre-built with better stuff

at this point this is what i would really recommend. there is $5 in shipping to add also

this power supply is quite honestly the best in its wattage class. you really cannot get any better and this is a great deal if you do the MIR
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