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Components:
Processor i5-3570k
motherboard ASUS sabertooth z77
graphics cards 2 EVGA superclocked 760's
storage 1 samsung 840 pro series 128gb ssd and 1 segate 1tb hdd
PSU EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750G 750W GOLD
RAM PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3
Cooling corsair hydro series H110
Disk drive blu-ray havent decided on the specific model

Any feedback is appreciated just curious on what others think of this build and how it will stack up in real world usage
 
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The PSU isn't great. I would stick with Antec, XFX, Corsair, Seasonic. A GOLD rating doesn't mean its a reliable unit.

It should max all current games and most games for a while.

16gb RAM is overkill for gaming. Only will ever been used in rendering or encoding video.
 
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Any recommendations on what specific model psu to go with i would prefer modular of course it makes cable managment so much easier and i do some video rendering from time to time and am planning on getting into it more also do you have any recommendations on a good 27" monitor native resolution of at least 1920x1080 im currently use my 32" flatscreen but its a little big and the resolution isnt the greatest
 
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Id be concerned about longevity given the dead end 1155 socket. The Sabertooth is a great board .... tops the charts here:

http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=1056&page=22

but this time around I gotta go with MSI

MoBo - $402 - MSI Z87 GD65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1392841
CPU - Included - Intel Core i5-4670k

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_gaming/12.htm

MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.
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http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z87_gd65_gaming_review/15

Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.
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Id avoid the SC series GFX cards ....the competition (MSI, Asis, Gigabyte) all offers upgraded PCBs and VRMs on their factory overclocked cards....EVGA does on the FTW and Classified, bit not on the SC

No on the EVGA PSU

I been using the Asus BR Player.... the writer is oft discounted to just $5 more.

Listen to the H100i before ya buy it .... yeah ya can change the fans but then it gets beat by all the air coolers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTf0Vq1j4Ec

If the noise in that video bothers you, the Phanteks PH-TC14PE or Thermalright Silver Arrow would be my choice
 
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Thanks for the links im probably going to go with one of those what do you think about this monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236295
 
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Asus Sabretooth mobo is a complete gimmicky ripoff. Look between other boards that have the features you want and choose the one with the lowest price (but from a reputable manufacturer ofc; asus, msi, gigabyte, asrock etc.)

The "thermal armor" is a load of bs thath does nothing for performance and most cases temperatures too. Check out extreme overclockers, even they know these boards are useless and will rarely go for a sabretooth.

I agree 16gb ram is overkill, but even that is more useful than a sabre tooth -_-
 
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im definetly getting a different psu and im not set in ston eon the gpus either just trying to get a feel for how they will perform and would recommend an asus gpu
 
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I got the sabertooth for $160 so im not complaining
 
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Remove the thermal armor. Its fake advertising. MANY people/ reviewers have had it actually heat the board up and cause issues.
 
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well, the sabertooth wasnt built for extreme overclocking it was built with durability and longevity in mind. You can even remove the thermal armor if you want (didnt earlier versions of it come without the armor anyway?). it also has a backplate on the back which ive heard helps to prevent flexing (or at least the z87 did, can't remember if the z77 does). regardless, i see far fewer customer reviews talking about how their sabertooth motherboard was defective or failed vs a few other reputable motherboards. yes it is a bit overpriced but if you have the budget it can still be a good choice. as long as it gets you the features you want/need and you dont want extreme overclocks then it can still be worth it
 
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Rather than relying solely on what I read on the internet, I have tested the board myself with armor on and off and, when then fans are used, the temperature differences is worth noting. And if you using an ALC or water cooling, it is very significant. My issue with the trade press is that they focus on the TA and ignore the BIOS features, OC features, blistering performance and overclocking potential that always lands it near the top of the charts as in the link in my post above.

Again....it's not a all about the cooling.....

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/07/23/asus_sabertooth_z87_lga_1150_motherboard_review/7#.UgA8d23px8E

Working with the ASUS Sabertooth Z87 was a spectacular experience. From unboxing to setup, to testing the ASUS Sabertooth Z87 provided a solid, problem free computing experience. The Thermal Armor system made handling the physical motherboard a pleasure thanks to guarding your hands from soldering joints and anything sharp which could poke or scrap you. The motherboard is aesthetically pleasing and just feels like a quality piece of hardware.

The Thermal Armor cooling system and supplied Thermal Radar 2 software work very well in keeping the motherboard components cool, this being especially effective when using a water cooling solution that does not bring any direct cooling to the motherboard’s power system. The included fan that mounts towards the IO panel, while small, does a good job at delivering air flow across the surface components. The TUF Fortifier backplate also acts somewhat as a heatsink as well, as ASUS has been thoughtful enough to mount the backplate with a thermal interface material below the VRM section of the motherboard. The Thermal Radar 2 software monitors multiple points under the Thermal Armor which gives you confidence in what the cooling on the motherboard is actually doing rather than just leaving it to guessing it is doing its job.
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being "worth it" is a term defined by value. value is the price versus performance and utility it provides. If it does not support extreme overclocks, or anything past other comparable Z87 mobo's then there is no additional utility provided. Thermal armor has been shown to even increase temperatures in some cases. If the armor will be removed, that you are paying a premium for the same Z87 mobo everyone else is using. if you install your mobo correctly and don't hang massive gpu's off the pcb without securing them to the case, then you get no value from the backplate, as the silicone used in modern pcb's is more than capable of enduring minor flex during installation, as long as everything is put in right there hsould be absolutely no effect of this "reinforcement". I see no sense in paying more for lower defective/failure rates. You are covered by return policies for a few months after purchase. That's like paying extra for a dinner that has lower probabilities of having a hair in it, whereas you could just your food back if you find a hair, without paying anything extra.

There just aren't very good justifications for sabretooth motherboards, all I hear are rationalizations.
 
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The only thing is I would really prefer 27" I know 24" is seen as the best size for gaming but still I like a little bigger than that
 
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Yeah but for the price I got it for there wasn't anything else I found that compared very well
 
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have you seen some of the rma stories people post? i'd rather not deal with that if i don't have to. and sending back my dinner is far less of a hassle than most likely paying to ship back a defective product and hoping they get it back to you promptly (and that the new one isnt also defective). add that to the fact that people dont necessarily want to have to take everything off their motherboard just because they happened to get a bad one. and, like i said, not everyone is in the mood for extreme overclocks. and for me, having a board that feels solid is good for peace of mind..i dont know if the OP is a first time builder but having less things to worry about that first time is always

*out of curiosity, where are these sources that say that thermal armor raises temperatures? i believe you, ive just never seen the concrete evidence with my eyes

and arguably anything past $100 could be considered a rationalization; you could get a $100 MSI Z77-G45 motherboard which would probably do everything you wanted. everything else you want you have to rationalize with your usage and your wallet

regardless, its up the original poster what he wants, i would still call the sabertooth a good buy, but it has its limits and some of the features they focus their advertising on may not give you quite the value you are looking for

*edit- and like he said, he got it for cheap
 
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Id like to see the sources to i have tried to find where people are saying that the armor raises temps with the fans installed on the mobo and i havent found any

also if anyone could give me a relative idea of how it will actually perform i would appreciate it
 
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ive definitely heard the rumor in quite a few places, but i havent seen anyway really test it (mostly hearsay from those who have never owned it)

it might be because they decided not to use the accessory fans. ive heard that they were rather loud, so people might have decided not to install them, and then saw their temps go up as a result of armor without proper ventilation
either that or it really does just trap heat pretty badly. but that isnt really the impression i got.
or maybe it does well for dispelling heat at lower temps and overclocks (like maybe 4.0-4.4) but as you go higher and the heat generation picks up the armor then causes trouble because it can't get rid of heat fast enough and so starts to insulate the board

as for how it will perform..check out customer review on places like amazon and newegg, those are all usually people who bought it. as for more standardized tests you could just look for reviews by blogs and sites that like to test different stuff
 
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Even if it doesn't deteriorate board temps, if you aren't doing heavy overclocking why the need for motherboard thermal armour anyways? Motherboard temps are not an issue at all for anyone but the extreme/competition overclocker. And defective parts are a virtual non-issue for reputed manufacturers, the failure rates are incredibly low to begin with. Even if you halved the chance of getting a defective board by buying a sabretooth, it is going from ~1-3% to 0.5-1.5% (depending on manufacturer). I don't see much of an argument to pay more for MAYBE 1% lower RMA rates -_- the difference is negligible.

As far as rationalizations for $100 boards, I would have to agree with you to a certain degree, but I would say your best bet is to pay for tangible features you want; sata ports, pcie slots, usb headers, onboard lan, etc etc. stuff like thermal armour is very suspect in any benefit it even provides.
 
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well, there is more to the sabertooth than the thermal armor. there is the back plate that i mentioned, more sata 3 ports than ive seen on the average board, 2 esata ports, a decent nic from what ive heard, made with more durable components than the average motherboard (although that could be just advertising on asus' part, im not really one to know what bits actually make it more durable), dust covers for all your unused ports, a better than average onboard sound from what ive heard, more usb ports with the asmedia controller, some utilities ive heard are useful like thermal radar, the extra fans, and, if you get the z87 version there is some more stuff

i wouldnt call defective parts a non-issue, just less of an issue with trusted manufacturers. and i dont really want to be part of the 1%, especially if it were my first build

but anyways, i think we've beat the issue of the sabertooth to death by now, and regardless he already got it anyway and for the price of a much cheaper and possibly lower quality board
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about the optical drive..do you need a blu ray player? if you watch blu-ray i could understand but it might not be terribly useful if you dont. also, i believe you usually need to buy separate software to make it work? or maybe that's something different i am thinking of
 
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Agreed, the Sabertooth issue has been quite well beaten. I just wanted to make my point to the op because I cringe every time I see a build over-allocating budget to this premium motherboard when the system would have clear gains had the cash been used for the gpu, cpu or even power supply (good clean gold rated power never hurts). If he got it for cheap though it's a great deal.

You shouldn't have to purchase separate software (read, drivers?) to make a blu ray player work, there hsould be some drivers/firmware included. I would find it very counterintuitive to have to spend additional $$ to make your blu ray player play blu rays.However, if it is not a strong desire of the op I would recommend dropping it for a cd/dvd rw drive merely for installations, convenience and backwards compatibility. Lots of people are forgoing the optical drive entirely these days and just going with a usb for their os install.
 
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i thought i saw a post awhile back here someone was having trouble using the bluray bit of the drive because of software/firmware that needed to be bought seperately..but that might have just been for that drive.
i dont think it was a driver, the optical drive still read dvds, just didnt do blu ray
 
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