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I think something is wrong. My Titan is idling at 60C and my soundcard as well as mobo feel hot...

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August 6, 2013 9:57:43 AM

READ: Sorry in advance for the long post but there are so many factors that come into play it really is necessary to read the whole thing. Thank you.

Titan
3570k (stock clocks)
16gb corsair vengeance stock speed
xonar essence stx sound card (only mentioning because it is another pci card i have that is getting really hot for some reason)
asrock extreme 9 z77 motherboard
haf x case
ax 850 power supply (which i noticed occasionally makes disheartening buzzing noises during games quite often)
h100 cooler
3tb seagate barracuda hdd
250 gb samsung 840 (not pro)

Okay, so I know when I used to have my 7970ghz vapor x cards, they would idle at 29. Those were sandwiched together and were not the most cool cards in existence anyway. I first noticed something may be wrong when my titan was idling at above 30. But I figured what the hell, it is not a problem as long as it does not get too hot during games. The thing is, with GPU boost 2 making temps the limiting factor, for all I know I could be getting less performance because my card is heating up too fast.

My cpu also used to idle at below 30 however, and now it is at 34. The weird thing is, whether I have the fans set to low or high it stays at 34. This also contributed to me thinking something could be wrong.

Finally, what gave it away completely was that I touched my Titan, admiring its beauty, and ran my finger slowly across its sleek, sexy air cooler, only to feel a slight burning sensation. After looking at cpuid hardware monitor and gputweak, i found it was at 0 percent usage and 60c (well, 58 to be exact). WHAATTT THEEEE FUUCCKKKK!???!

This had happened once before and then resolved itself with time, it seemed. But after this second time and the fact I will soon be on vacation I have decided that a RMA is needed. BUT, I went to touch my soundcard as well, just out of curiosity, and although I do not have a program to monitor its temperature, it felt hot as well. Not as hot, but still much warmer than it should be.

Additionally, the condo in which i reside is really old, and half of the power outlets have problems. I am also using an adapter to power my korean 1440p monitor, which is plugged in to my titan. With all of these factors combined, I am at a loss as to what the root of all this evil really is. Is it my psu, my house, my gpu, my mobo? How can I narrow it down?

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August 6, 2013 10:13:40 AM

Electronics run hot, this is nothing abnormal.

AMD graphics cards have some nice power saving features which keep them very cool when idle, even to the point that the fans can shut off. NVidia does not have an equivalent solution that I know of. In fact, the turbo boost on the GK110 GPU (GTX 780/Titan) tries to sustain an 80 degree operating temperature when gaming.

Furthermore, 0% GPU usage is meaningless. It's wildly inaccurate at best, and if you're running Windows 7, the Aeroglass compositor is constantly running when your desktop is visible.
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August 6, 2013 10:28:13 AM

Normal idle temperature for a reference design Titan is 30°C and under load it is 81°C.

Have you tried using a UPS or line conditioner?

Are your AC outlets properly grounded?

Troubleshoot by removing the discrete graphics card and using the integrated graphics on the CPU. If the temp drops then it was the graphics card that was contributing the heat.
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August 6, 2013 10:54:30 AM

I do not know what a UPS or line conditioner is, please enlighten me in case my venture into the Google Lands fail to result in the intended knowledge.

I also do not know how to check if my AC outlets are properly grounded, or what that even means really. But again, tell me the important stuff in case I do not get the right answer from my own research.

I will try what you said about removing the gpu though.

EDIT: I just restarted my pc, and the titan went down to 36 Celsius. Thoughts? What does that tell us? I know that the 580 gtx cards used to have a driver problem that would cause them to overheat, is the same possible for my titan?

The soundcard seems to be just as hot, but that may just be because it has no cooling solution and i just restarted the pc.
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August 6, 2013 11:07:50 AM

mike88931 said:
I do not know what a UPS or line conditioner is, please enlighten me in case my venture into the Google Lands fail to result in the intended knowledge.

I also do not know how to check if my AC outlets are properly grounded, or what that even means really. But again, tell me the important stuff in case I do not get the right answer from my own research.

I will try what you said about removing the gpu though.

EDIT: I just restarted my pc, and the titan went down to 36 Celsius. Thoughts? What does that tell us? I know that the 580 gtx cards used to have a driver problem that would cause them to overheat, is the same possible for my titan?

The soundcard seems to be just as hot, but that may just be because it has no cooling solution and i just restarted the pc.


It could be a driver issue. It could also be caused by one or more monitoring programs preventing the device from entering a low power state. MSI Afterburner, Riva Tuner, GPUz, gputweak, etc... can all cause problems when they try to interact with the card or the drivers. Problems can compound when more than one is running at a time. Some of them install driver modules which run in kernel mode, these can be especially problematic. If you don't need them, remove them!
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August 6, 2013 11:14:09 AM

I was not aware that multiple monitoring utilities could cause such problems. I have afterburner and gputweak installed, but only gputweak is running, at least as far as I am aware. I would be willing to uninstall all but the one I want to use. My only problem is that with gpu tweak i cannot OC my titan past something like 1100 mhz. I know that could be unlikely to reach anyway but i have tried much. I just set the slider and hope lol. I am curious as to if I took my time and overclocked in small increments if I could pass that. Does evgas afterburner work problem free with an asus titan? If so i will keep afterburner and uninstall the rest.
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August 6, 2013 11:52:32 AM

mike88931 said:
I was not aware that multiple monitoring utilities could cause such problems. I have afterburner and gputweak installed, but only gputweak is running, at least as far as I am aware. I would be willing to uninstall all but the one I want to use. My only problem is that with gpu tweak i cannot OC my titan past something like 1100 mhz. I know that could be unlikely to reach anyway but i have tried much. I just set the slider and hope lol. I am curious as to if I took my time and overclocked in small increments if I could pass that. Does evgas afterburner work problem free with an asus titan? If so i will keep afterburner and uninstall the rest.


You can always reinstall them afterwards. I believe that MSI Afterburner is a derivative of Riva Tuner, I'm not sure about GPUTweak.

Overclocking can also cause devices to fail to enter low power states, especially when it is done through third party utilities such as Afterburner or GPUTweak. Sometimes this is enforced by the manufacturer to keep the hardware from malfunctioning, sometimes it is the result of incomplete reverse engineering.
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August 6, 2013 12:21:19 PM

Wow, I'm an idiot. This whole time I was calling evga precisionx evga afterburner. Brain fart.
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August 6, 2013 12:29:26 PM

mike88931 said:
Wow, I'm an idiot. This whole time I was calling evga precisionx evga afterburner. Brain fart.


I dealt with another user last week who was suffering BSoDs. He was using EVGA Precisionx and after removing it the crashes stopped.
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August 6, 2013 3:47:15 PM

So, I just came home from a run, and I sat down to see if anything had changed. My monitor said that the titan was at 34, the cpu fluctuating between 29 and 32, and the mobo at 32. But when I touched my sound card it still felt like it was 60 Celsius. What's up with that.

I uninstalled precision x just now so we shall see if they by some strange chance happened to have been affecting my sound card.
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August 6, 2013 6:19:39 PM

mike88931 said:
So, I just came home from a run, and I sat down to see if anything had changed. My monitor said that the titan was at 34, the cpu fluctuating between 29 and 32, and the mobo at 32. But when I touched my sound card it still felt like it was 60 Celsius. What's up with that.

I uninstalled precision x just now so we shall see if they by some strange chance happened to have been affecting my sound card.


The Xonar STX uses a pretty complicated DSP, which is why it has a heat shroud like some of the high end Creative Labs sound cards. There's also opamps (operational amplifiers) and other analog circuitry on there which can generate quite a bit of heat. It's not ventilated and I would expect them to hover around 45-50 centigrade which is perfectly fine. That may seem hot to us, but that is a cool summer breeze to most electronics. Part of the ASIC fabrication process involves baking the chip at over 1000 degrees centigrade to activate the dopants, so they can take the heat. Chips aren't made of water, they won't boil away at 100 degrees. They just can't take that 1,000 degrees while soldered to a socket and with electrical current flowing through them, that's what causes them to fail.
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August 6, 2013 7:46:53 PM

Yeah, I'm sure that 50 or even 70 would be fine for the sound card, but I am just wondering what is causing it to get so hot, and I still think something is fishy, because I could swear that whenever I used to touch the thing, it would feel room temp. I don't know if I am just remembering incorrectly or if what was affecting the gpu is affecting the sound card.

On a side note, that cover is a heat shroud? This whole time I thought it was just for further blocking out audio interference from inside the case that could mutate the sound of music. Then again, I guess it could be both.
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August 6, 2013 8:06:31 PM

mike88931 said:
Yeah, I'm sure that 50 or even 70 would be fine for the sound card, but I am just wondering what is causing it to get so hot, and I still think something is fishy, because I could swear that whenever I used to touch the thing, it would feel room temp. I don't know if I am just remembering incorrectly or if what was affecting the gpu is affecting the sound card.

On a side note, that cover is a heat shroud? This whole time I thought it was just for further blocking out audio interference from inside the case that could mutate the sound of music. Then again, I guess it could be both.


Nah, it's just a shroud. It may be metallic and grounded which would absorb any stray RF but the amount of stray RF in the case, much less stray RF at audible frequencies, is very low. It cools the DSP and protects the components on the board from incidental damage, much like how most GPUs have full-board shrouds just to cool a small chip and some power MOSFETs. The reason it feels hot is because there's no active cooling on the bard, it's not necessary.
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August 8, 2013 10:10:55 AM

Alright, I realize I'm not really adding anything new to the thread, but I just woke up this morning (my pc was locked and idle overnight. And my fucking sound card is REALLY hot. WTF. I just don't really know what to do. I guarantee something is wrong, because when I used to wake up in the morning and touch my components, they would be cool to the touch.

I Din't know why sometimes it seems to be the soundcard that is having heat problems and sometimes it is the gpu either. It makes no sense.
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August 8, 2013 10:16:41 AM

mike88931 said:
Alright, I realize I'm not really adding anything new to the thread, but I just woke up this morning (my pc was locked and idle overnight. And my fucking sound card is REALLY hot. WTF. I just don't really know what to do. I guarantee something is wrong, because when I used to wake up in the morning and touch my components, they would be cool to the touch.

I Din't know why sometimes it seems to be the soundcard that is having heat problems and sometimes it is the gpu either. It makes no sense.


You may want to call Asus then and see about a replacement. If it's working properly, I doubt that there's anything wrong with it though.
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August 8, 2013 6:03:19 PM

MAJOR MILESTONE reached in the investigation. I am not going crazy, you were wrong about there being no problem (no offense, i appreciate your help), and we can cross the soudcard off the candidate for the problem list. I brought the soundcard to a friend's house and put it in his pc and it was cool as room temp as i thuoght it used to be for mine.\

Also I don't know if I had said this yet but my mobo is so hot that i cannot keep my finger on certain parts of it and my monitoring software only says it is at 34 c so i don;t know what is up with that as when my gpu is at that temp i can touch it and notice no difference at all between that and my desk. I realize certain parts will be hotter than others but i am not touching it at a spot i would think it would be especially hot.

Finally, considering I don't think that the gpu would affect the rest of the pc so much, it is either my psu mobo or I have dirty power and the electrical infrastructure of my house is really messed up which I don't know how to fix and do not know much about the ups that the first commentor suggested.

With this new knowledge is there anything else you can do to help me?
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August 8, 2013 8:11:48 PM

mike88931 said:
MAJOR MILESTONE reached in the investigation. I am not going crazy, you were wrong about there being no problem (no offense, i appreciate your help), and we can cross the soudcard off the candidate for the problem list. I brought the soundcard to a friend's house and put it in his pc and it was cool as room temp as i thuoght it used to be for mine.\

Also I don't know if I had said this yet but my mobo is so hot that i cannot keep my finger on certain parts of it and my monitoring software only says it is at 34 c so i don;t know what is up with that as when my gpu is at that temp i can touch it and notice no difference at all between that and my desk. I realize certain parts will be hotter than others but i am not touching it at a spot i would think it would be especially hot.

Finally, considering I don't think that the gpu would affect the rest of the pc so much, it is either my psu mobo or I have dirty power and the electrical infrastructure of my house is really messed up which I don't know how to fix and do not know much about the ups that the first commentor suggested.

With this new knowledge is there anything else you can do to help me?


The monitoring software reads from a thermometer located somewhere on the board. Naturally, the software will report the temperature in this location. Most motherboard manufacturers seat this thermometer near the socket and VRMs which are the primary heat generating components on the board.

I can't really help you too much more without being able to inspect it myself. What I can tell you for certain though is that it's not a power delivery issue. Power supplies are designed to take noisy AC power and convert it into nice clean DC power. Most PSUs can handle input voltages between 100 and 125 volts at 50/60Hz without issue (as well as between 200 and 240 volts if applicable). Some PSUs do a better job than others, but if they didn't do it sufficiently the problem would manifest itself as instability rather than overly hot components. Your PC would freeze or turn off, not heat up random components.

I can think of a few causes:

1. Insufficient cooling. If there's no airflow by your sound card, it will heat up more than normal. Make sure that all fans are running properly and that there's sufficient inflow and outflow of air.

2. Buggy / incorrect power configuration. Something may not be correctly entering a low power state when it should be. If you've previously overclocked your system and fiddled with various thermal controls you may have changed something inadvertently. This is particularly nasty because it's nearly impossible to diagnose due to a lack of reporting and ACPI generally being a huge mess. If you haven't done so already, try resetting the firmware settings to defaults. Also make sure that you have the latest BIOS/UEFI firmware installed on your motherboard. Also make sure that you have the latest Intel chipset software installed.
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August 8, 2013 8:31:50 PM

I have a haf x case and my components have not changed configuration since I got them. Airflow is not an issue I dont think. Also my case has been open on both sides for a month now which would help more i suspect.

The power config sounds possible though. I have previously OC'd my system with the bios quick OC thing my mobo comes with, which may not be the safest way. How do I reset firmware? Is that in BIOS? I will make sure I have the latest software and chipset installed though.
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August 8, 2013 8:36:27 PM

mike88931 said:
I have a haf x case and my components have not changed configuration since I got them. Airflow is not an issue I dont think. Also my case has been open on both sides for a month now which would help more i suspect.

The power config sounds possible though. I have previously OC'd my system with the bios quick OC thing my mobo comes with, which may not be the safest way. How do I reset firmware? Is that in BIOS? I will make sure I have the latest software and chipset installed though.


Put the sides back on. Leaving them off actually hinders airflow because it destroys the nice wind tunnel effect. Probably not sufficient enough to create a massive temperature differential though.

To reset the firmware settings take a look at your motherboard manual. Sometimes this is colloquially referred to as "clear CMOS"
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August 8, 2013 8:52:55 PM

I think I have a button for that actually.
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August 8, 2013 8:53:18 PM

It is different from the reset button too right?
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August 8, 2013 9:08:32 PM

mike88931 said:
It is different from the reset button too right?


Yeah. Some motherboards have such a button on the bottom of the board or on the back panel.
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August 8, 2013 9:24:26 PM

Is "reset to uefi defaults" the same thing?
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August 8, 2013 9:51:25 PM

mike88931 said:
Is "reset to uefi defaults" the same thing?


No but it's close enough. Try that first. Flushing the parameter block entirely forces it to recalculate and reload absolutely everything, loading the defaults just sets the user selectable settings to their programmed defaults without necessarily flushing the non-user selectable fields which may be at issue. Try that first. If it fails, find the hardware way to do it.
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