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If you look at benchmarks, the CPU of the $130 A10-6800K is marginally less than that of the $110 i3-3220. But what about the graphics? The integrated graphics on the A10-6800k are worse than even a $15 Radeon HD 5450.

Then if you ever want to add any decent graphics card to it, the integrated graphics will not be utilized (only works with low end cards). So you have poor upgradability/scaling as well. None of the A-series APUs have L3 cache either and they have terrible single core performance.

The A4 and A6 are dual core with no hyperthreading so they are gonna be pretty useless nomatter what price point they are at. The A8 at $110 is even less cost efficient than the A10 at $130. Oh did I mention that you'll have to spend more money on higher frequency memory just to get the graphics working optimally?

I just don't see any situation where it would be better to get an APU unless you literally are so strapped for money that you can't pay a little bit more for an i3 + a placeholder GPU and you never want to upgrade afterwards because upgrading loses all of the value of getting a APU.

To be competitive, I think the A10 needs to be priced at $100-110 and the A8 at $85-95. Or else who's gonna buy them?
 
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From a gaming perspective the real point of iGPUs like the Radeon HD 8670D and Intel HD 4600 is to raise the baseline performance for laptops. People who owns a desktop and wants to play games typically install a discrete graphics card anyway.

Can iGPUs be used to play games on the desktop? Sure, but to expect good performance at a reasonable resolution (1080p or higher) is asking too much. If the integrated Radeon HD 8670D packed as much punch as the Radeon HD 7750, then AMD would more or less be shooting themselves in the foot if they keep the price at $110. If the performance was actually that high, then I would say $170 - $180 would then be a reasonable price.

Anywaste, AMD's APUs are not meant for everyone. They fill a demand...
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an APU is of no importance to me personally i dont consider them to be existing as they are not worth it
the only fm2 socket cpu i consider is a 80$ athlon 750k which on overclocking get a way ahead of a10.its great for budget builts with a 7770 and a total budget of 350$ or so
i wont reccomend anybody an apu



but all that is my personal opinion
many people feel that they are good for budget built but i do not
 
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can you give us a link to back your point up?
my brother has a A10 5800K with 1866mhz memory and he can play BF3 medium settings at 720p+ (depending on how many players and what map is on rotation) with an FPS of at least 30fps
 
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http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/mid_range_gpus.html

Look at where the integrated graphics for the A10 (8570D) falls. Less than a GT 240 which was a low end video card from 3 years ago!!

Here are some FPS benchmarks. A10 performs about as well as a HD 5570 which has already been discontinued for a year.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-part-1/2

It really bothers me that AMD markets this as a chip for gamers when it would only be sufficient for more casual gamers. In reality this chip is best suited for office or home media PCs that need a bit more graphics performance than intel integrated, but don't need a discrete GPU.
 
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yes it can. i was addressing your original post where you said a HD 5450 beats the A10 5800k
i think AMD need to reduce the prices of their APUs as an i3 with a HD6670 outperforms the APU at around the same price
 
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i wouldn't use videocardbenchmark as it gets its results from loads of different systems that all different and the score is based on multiple factors rather than scoring an individual test
 
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Lol the iris pro is only available on >900€/$ notebooks with a high end i7, that's not where the apus want to competite.today, in the price category of a apu, the best thing you can get is a hd4000 with the i3 3225 since there are no haswell i3s
 
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From a gaming perspective the real point of iGPUs like the Radeon HD 8670D and Intel HD 4600 is to raise the baseline performance for laptops. People who owns a desktop and wants to play games typically install a discrete graphics card anyway.

Can iGPUs be used to play games on the desktop? Sure, but to expect good performance at a reasonable resolution (1080p or higher) is asking too much. If the integrated Radeon HD 8670D packed as much punch as the Radeon HD 7750, then AMD would more or less be shooting themselves in the foot if they keep the price at $110. If the performance was actually that high, then I would say $170 - $180 would then be a reasonable price.

Anywaste, AMD's APUs are not meant for everyone. They fill a demand niche in the overall scheme of things in desktops and they are the driving force for AMD in laptops. If you want a single processor that has both CPU and GPU, then either Intel's Core series CPUs or AMD's APU can fill the need. If CPU performance is more important, then Intel's CPUs are generally preferred. If iGPU performance is more important, then AMD's APUs are likely the better option.

Just because you think AMD's APUs are a waste of silicon for you, that does not mean it is worthless to everyone.
 
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Couldnt of said it better myself lol

 
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So I'm reading all this and I can't believe my eyes. I've got a portable rig to take to friends which has an a10-5800k in it. You're a bunch of dimmed witted morons. A10-5800k plays everything out at the moment with exception to Crysis 3 at a good constant fps above 30 frames. The iGPUs are even better utilized in notebooks. The performance in general is close to the 210$ Intel i3-i5 processors except it's got four cores which makes it better than the i3 to some extent. For the price range 130$ it's a good chip and even better if you're willing to overclock. A questions that is raised, how much CPU power do I really need to play games? Well when the newer titles come out from the PS4 and Xbox One ports you can bet your sweet fine ass that they'll run on high on a A10-5800k. The problem today is that we're comparing apples to oranges, AMD is a completely different product from Intel and require specialized instruction sets. Every time a game company writes a game in x87 it demonstrates their ignorance to use the more advanced languages supported by both AMD and Intel. So before stating anymore bits of ignorance the a10-5800k is a fine product on it's own, but if you wish to pay more and have a more full desktop experience you'll want to go either a high end Intel i5(or better) or an AMD FX-8320/8350.

Note for to the idiot stating that HD4000 is better than 7660d or 8670d is a complete and total moron. The AMD iGPUs are nearly twice the performance and totally devastate a Nvidia 240. Not the dedicated gpu 540 though, hmm I wonder why... OH YEAH GDDR5! DUH! Anyway the HD4000 can't exceed 24 frames especially in Portal 2 which is on the best wrote engine for games. Getting a dual graphics setup with an a10-5800k low profile in an itx case while playing source games... well you can max it out and your frames never dip below 90.

My little ITX Lanbox
A10-5800k (7660d + 6670d*oc*)
8gb of 28nm DDR3 2133 mhz ram
ASRock 85 something mobo itx
256gb Solid State and 500gb

Runs damn good.
 
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