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August 8, 2013 2:11:38 PM

I'm getting all this parts http://amzn.com/w/185V6BBM9KGNB . Some people says that the gpu is built in the cpu. So if it is, can i put another gpu into the gpu slot?

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Will This be able to run TF2 on high (Without another gpu)

Will this be able to run Minecraft on high (Without another gpu)

Will this be able to run League of legends in high, no shadows, high frameratee (Without another gpu)

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August 8, 2013 2:29:06 PM

Yeah certainly.

You are not buying a CPU but an APU (Combination of CPU and GPU) which is best for budget gamers.
And if you would install a dedicated video card then the CPU's internal card would be de-activated by itself. Just 1 card would run at a time. Either IGP or PCIe.

1) Certainly, the IGP isn't Intel HD 4000 in this case and is pretty strong when compared to other integrated GPUs.
2) Yeps for sure.
3) Well, not on high .. But on medium? :) 
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August 8, 2013 2:35:38 PM

luckiest charm said:
Yeah certainly.

You are not buying a CPU but an APU (Combination of CPU and GPU) which is best for budget gamers.
And if you would install a dedicated video card then the CPU's internal card would be de-activated by itself. Just 1 card would run at a time. Either IGP or PCIe.

1) Certainly, the IGP isn't Intel HD 4000 in this case and is pretty strong when compared to other integrated GPUs.
2) Yeps for sure.
3) Well, not on high .. But on medium? :) 


Thank you, but i really want 2 gpu two double performance when i have more money (for future games). So how do i get/enable 2 gpu? Or should i just get a 2 cpu board and buy to apu?
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 8, 2013 2:42:45 PM

Well, I said the APU is fast enough for an IGP (Integrated GPU) but I did not said its as fast as a dedicated video card.

In front of a $100 GPU like HD 7770 it is nothing. It would not double the performance but may increase it like 10% if you could use IGP with PCIe but unfortunately that 10% is not possible.

Actually the thing with SLI and Crossfire is that when two PCIe cards are connected, they are internally connected with a SLI or Crossfire bridge. That scales two cards. But since IGP is too weak in front of the PCIe cards and is also integrated in CPU itself, it can not be connected with PCIe for more performance. That is impossible. They both have separate sockets as well, top display socket is of APU (Which you would be connecting your monitor for now) and bottom one (in future when you buy GPU) for PCIe. You can not connect your monitor to both of them, aye?

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All in all, that is not possible but I also don't feel the need to do that too.
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August 8, 2013 2:50:31 PM

Yes. That CPU has an intergrated graphics chip in it. To be exact, that chip is a 7660D, which is roughly the same as the discrete desktop GPU Radeon HD 6570. If you wish to upgrade and get a discrete GPU, you shouldn't have any problem doing so. The integrated graphics...
WILL be able to run TF2 on high (most integrated graphics can) Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVOt3vMquw
WILL be able to run Minecraft on far. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGqPsevZLI
WILL be able to run LoL on high. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbAu4G5O4_0

Just be aware that the MoBo you are buying is a MicroATX while your case is simply a regular ATX Mid-Tower.
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August 8, 2013 2:56:24 PM

luckiest charm said:
Well, I said the APU is fast enough for an IGP (Integrated GPU) but I did not said its as fast as a dedicated video card.

In front of a $100 GPU like HD 7770 it is nothing. It would not double the performance but may increase it like 10% if you could use IGP with PCIe but unfortunately that 10% is not possible.

Actually the thing with SLI and Crossfire is that when two PCIe cards are connected, they are internally connected with a SLI or Crossfire bridge. That scales two cards. But since IGP is too weak in front of the PCIe cards and is also integrated in CPU itself, it can not be connected with PCIe for more performance. That is impossible. They both have separate sockets as well, top display socket is of APU (Which you would be connecting your monitor for now) and bottom one (in future when you buy GPU) for PCIe. You can not connect your monitor to both of them, aye?

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All in all, that is not possible but I also don't feel the need to do that too.


Didn't get what you mean there, i know what sli and crossfire means, so can i have a 2 cpu slot motherboard and put a apu in both (just answer yes or no)
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August 8, 2013 2:57:12 PM

skilledman101 said:
Yes. That CPU has an intergrated graphics chip in it. To be exact, that chip is a 7660D, which is roughly the same as the discrete desktop GPU Radeon HD 6570. If you wish to upgrade and get a discrete GPU, you shouldn't have any problem doing so. The integrated graphics...
WILL be able to run TF2 on high (most integrated graphics can) Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpVOt3vMquw
WILL be able to run Minecraft on far. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGqPsevZLI
WILL be able to run LoL on high. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbAu4G5O4_0

Just be aware that the MoBo you are buying is a MicroATX while your case is simply a regular ATX Mid-Tower.


Sound's great! But to be precise, the tf2 video, his using 2 gpu's not 1. And will it be able to play Crysis 3 (low settings) and GTA?
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August 8, 2013 2:58:20 PM

Going to school guys, i'll be back to read comments!
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August 8, 2013 2:58:24 PM

Going to school guys, i'll be back to read comments!
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August 8, 2013 3:06:24 PM

Well I can tell you that on my laptop with Intel HD 3000 (a weaker integrated graphic chip) I can run TF2 on high settings with no problems.
For GTA4, you can run graphics at medium settings and get around 20ish FPS (pretty good for an APU and the price)
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NguPqGbuseQ
Crysis 3 on LOW settings you can get between 25-35 FPS (possibly slightly higher if not recording) on 1280 x 720 resolution
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQdm28zJLgE
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 8, 2013 8:44:19 PM

Austin Rivera said:
luckiest charm said:
Well, I said the APU is fast enough for an IGP (Integrated GPU) but I did not said its as fast as a dedicated video card.

In front of a $100 GPU like HD 7770 it is nothing. It would not double the performance but may increase it like 10% if you could use IGP with PCIe but unfortunately that 10% is not possible.

Actually the thing with SLI and Crossfire is that when two PCIe cards are connected, they are internally connected with a SLI or Crossfire bridge. That scales two cards. But since IGP is too weak in front of the PCIe cards and is also integrated in CPU itself, it can not be connected with PCIe for more performance. That is impossible. They both have separate sockets as well, top display socket is of APU (Which you would be connecting your monitor for now) and bottom one (in future when you buy GPU) for PCIe. You can not connect your monitor to both of them, aye?

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All in all, that is not possible but I also don't feel the need to do that too.


Didn't get what you mean there, i know what sli and crossfire means, so can i have a 2 cpu slot motherboard and put a apu in both (just answer yes or no)


Ehh .. Simply no.
That, in my terms is not possible unless you are building server. And still you would not be able to use both APU's GPU at once because there is no motherboard which supports two APUs (FM2 Socket). Simply not possible. In future if that would be possible then price of motherboard would be too high to be reasonable.

Just do one thing, drop that APU if you are going to buy a graphics card later on, since its GPU is way too weak to hold itself against any decent GPU. Instead, buy FX 8350 and OC it to 4.5 GHz. Try to manage for a while till you get a good video card and then install it. APUs are very weak in front of good CPUs and their performance is not very good overall. They are for the people who can not afford to buy a GPU ever.

There is no point of buying any APU since as soon as you would install GPU, its internal video card would get deactivated as I said above and you simply can not use two of APUs or APU with GPU. That thing is not invented yet.

You can run those games on high while maintaining 30 - 50 FPS so that should be smooth but if you want constant 60+ FPS then its reasonable to buy ASRock 970 Extreme4 + FX 8350 / FX 8320 + HD 7770 GHz Edition 1 GB.

Just a bit of info - Anything higher than 30 FPS is smooth while 60 FPS is needed to show that the card is capable of playing XXX game on XXX settings.

@skilledman101 - Please don't mind, if would be good if you would post the frame rates shown by FRAPS in here for TF2 as it would help him figure out what frame rates to expect.
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August 8, 2013 10:34:10 PM

luckiest charm said:
Austin Rivera said:
luckiest charm said:
Well, I said the APU is fast enough for an IGP (Integrated GPU) but I did not said its as fast as a dedicated video card.

In front of a $100 GPU like HD 7770 it is nothing. It would not double the performance but may increase it like 10% if you could use IGP with PCIe but unfortunately that 10% is not possible.

Actually the thing with SLI and Crossfire is that when two PCIe cards are connected, they are internally connected with a SLI or Crossfire bridge. That scales two cards. But since IGP is too weak in front of the PCIe cards and is also integrated in CPU itself, it can not be connected with PCIe for more performance. That is impossible. They both have separate sockets as well, top display socket is of APU (Which you would be connecting your monitor for now) and bottom one (in future when you buy GPU) for PCIe. You can not connect your monitor to both of them, aye?

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All in all, that is not possible but I also don't feel the need to do that too.


Didn't get what you mean there, i know what sli and crossfire means, so can i have a 2 cpu slot motherboard and put a apu in both (just answer yes or no)


Ehh .. Simply no.
That, in my terms is not possible unless you are building server. And still you would not be able to use both APU's GPU at once because there is no motherboard which supports two APUs (FM2 Socket). Simply not possible. In future if that would be possible then price of motherboard would be too high to be reasonable.

Just do one thing, drop that APU if you are going to buy a graphics card later on, since its GPU is way too weak to hold itself against any decent GPU. Instead, buy FX 8350 and OC it to 4.5 GHz. Try to manage for a while till you get a good video card and then install it. APUs are very weak in front of good CPUs and their performance is not very good overall. They are for the people who can not afford to buy a GPU ever.

There is no point of buying any APU since as soon as you would install GPU, its internal video card would get deactivated as I said above and you simply can not use two of APUs or APU with GPU. That thing is not invented yet.

You can run those games on high while maintaining 30 - 50 FPS so that should be smooth but if you want constant 60+ FPS then its reasonable to buy ASRock 970 Extreme4 + FX 8350 / FX 8320 + HD 7770 GHz Edition 1 GB.

Just a bit of info - Anything higher than 30 FPS is smooth while 60 FPS is needed to show that the card is capable of playing XXX game on XXX settings.

@skilledman101 - Please don't mind, if would be good if you would post the frame rates shown by FRAPS in here for TF2 as it would help him figure out what frame rates to expect.


Oh... ok, cause i am building a $400-600 gaming pc (i know it's a budget but yeah) and i want good performance.
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 8, 2013 11:33:24 PM

This is the best build for you then -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $614.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-09 02:32 EDT-0400)

Notice the CPU and GPU, both are very strong.
A GTX 760 can max out almost all the modern games (Ultra) while giving 60 FPS constant. One of the very powerful video cards available and is like 10 of the IGPs combined into one for comparison. FX 6300 is also one of the best budget gaming CPUs and give terrific performance for its price. A very good combo indeed and you can get it for $14 more than 600 bucks.
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August 9, 2013 5:28:09 AM

luckiest charm said:
This is the best build for you then -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 980DE3/U3S3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($255.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $614.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-09 02:32 EDT-0400)

Notice the CPU and GPU, both are very strong.
A GTX 760 can max out almost all the modern games (Ultra) while giving 60 FPS constant. One of the very powerful video cards available and is like 10 of the IGPs combined into one for comparison. FX 6300 is also one of the best budget gaming CPUs and give terrific performance for its price. A very good combo indeed and you can get it for $14 more than 600 bucks.


Ok. Wait i forgot to ask this question a long time ago, so i can have 2 gpu, 1 on the cpu (apu) and 1 on the gpu slot?
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 9, 2013 6:03:42 AM

Yes you can surely have 2 of them but remember that since more amount of place on CPU dye would be used for Graphics which would be useless after installing a GPU, the APU would be weaker than a CPU in calculations and processing.

Its always advised to go for a CPU instead of an APU if you are going to install a dedicated video card.
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August 9, 2013 6:28:21 AM

I agree with luckiest charm, get the FX-6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=as_li_q... and get the ASRock MB-970EX4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058HUQJ0/ref=as_li_q... motherboard. I would also go with the MSI N760 TF OC http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIH8OW8/ref=as_li_q... for your GPU and NOTHING less than a Corsair CX 500 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092ML0MY/ref=as_li_q... power supply. This is the start to a nice gaming PC setup. :)  The rest of the peripherals are up to you but I'd recommend no less than 8GB RAM.
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August 9, 2013 4:30:37 PM

byogamingpc said:
I agree with luckiest charm, get the FX-6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=as_li_q... and get the ASRock MB-970EX4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058HUQJ0/ref=as_li_q... motherboard. I would also go with the MSI N760 TF OC http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIH8OW8/ref=as_li_q... for your GPU and NOTHING less than a Corsair CX 500 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092ML0MY/ref=as_li_q... power supply. This is the start to a nice gaming PC setup. :)  The rest of the peripherals are up to you but I'd recommend no less than 8GB RAM.


Thank you, i will try as hard as i can to get this build, if not i will switch to my previous build :) 
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August 9, 2013 4:33:08 PM

luckiest charm said:
Yes you can surely have 2 of them but remember that since more amount of place on CPU dye would be used for Graphics which would be useless after installing a GPU, the APU would be weaker than a CPU in calculations and processing.

Its always advised to go for a CPU instead of an APU if you are going to install a dedicated video card.

Answer what i was looking for! Ok so thank you, i ask so much questions cause i am new to gaming and i want to start gaming. Another question (sorry i'm just really excited), will this be able to run skype, while recording (on bandicam) and playing games? Because i want to start youtube video!

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a c 91 à CPUs
August 9, 2013 8:47:18 PM

A GTX 760 along with FX 6300?

Certainly. The build is powerful enough to let you record gameplay as well. No issues at all.
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August 9, 2013 9:03:04 PM

luckiest charm said:
A GTX 760 along with FX 6300?

Certainly. The build is powerful enough to let you record gameplay as well. No issues at all.


Sounds like i'm buying it :) 
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August 11, 2013 4:45:33 AM

byogamingpc said:
I agree with luckiest charm, get the FX-6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=as_li_q... and get the ASRock MB-970EX4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058HUQJ0/ref=as_li_q... motherboard. I would also go with the MSI N760 TF OC http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIH8OW8/ref=as_li_q... for your GPU and NOTHING less than a Corsair CX 500 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092ML0MY/ref=as_li_q... power supply. This is the start to a nice gaming PC setup. :)  The rest of the peripherals are up to you but I'd recommend no less than 8GB RAM.


Wait, the cpu is an apu. Doesn't that mean i can't use a gpu at the same time?
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August 11, 2013 4:54:29 AM

A 6300 is not an APU.
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 11, 2013 4:55:10 AM

CPU = Central Processing Unit (Best at its task)
GPU = Graphical Processing Unit (Best at its task)
APU = Combination of both (Weak at both the tasks but better if one of them is absent)

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APU is sort of middle ground and since less CPU dye is given for actual processing cores its weaker in processing when compared to a usual CPU of similar cost.

Similarly, graphics are weaker too. That is the minus point. But they are at least present and better than none, thats the plus point.

So, a full GPU and full CPU is advised over an APU.
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You can use a GPU at the same time but APU's GPU (Weaker) will be deactivated and usual GPU would be activated as soon as you connect it. FX 6300 is a 6 core CPU. Not an APU.
One will function at a time.

I am sorry if I misinterpreted your question.
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August 11, 2013 2:40:51 PM

luckiest charm said:
CPU = Central Processing Unit (Best at its task)
GPU = Graphical Processing Unit (Best at its task)
APU = Combination of both (Weak at both the tasks but better if one of them is absent)

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APU is sort of middle ground and since less CPU dye is given for actual processing cores its weaker in processing when compared to a usual CPU of similar cost.

Similarly, graphics are weaker too. That is the minus point. But they are at least present and better than none, thats the plus point.

So, a full GPU and full CPU is advised over an APU.
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You can use a GPU at the same time but APU's GPU (Weaker) will be deactivated and usual GPU would be activated as soon as you connect it. FX 6300 is a 6 core CPU. Not an APU.
One will function at a time.

I am sorry if I misinterpreted your question.


I'm still in trouble. I don't know what gpu to get. My budget is 600$ and trying to maintain it. I need a $50-60 gpu. I know it's going to be hard finding one, but is there any?
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 12, 2013 1:36:38 AM

$50 - 60 GPU is totally terrible.

Go with my build. It contains an awesome CPU and awesome GPU ($250).
Just for $14 more you are getting so many advantages over a $50 GPU. You would not be able to play any game properly with such cheap GPU. On the other hand GTX 760 will max out almost all games out there with ease.
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August 12, 2013 3:33:27 AM

If $50-60 GPU is totally terrible, why not $30? Is this compatible to crossfire (i wanted to use your build, but parents says stay on budget)
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 12, 2013 4:26:04 AM

I wonder if that was sarcasm.

Well, yeah its compatible with SLI (Its Nvidia).
If you mean APU, then not.
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a c 91 à CPUs
August 12, 2013 4:59:06 AM

You mean what!?

Ehh .. Wait .. Your Chose A10 - 6800K as APU.
HD 5450 as GPU.

Now this build has a TON OF flaws.

1) Your GPU can not play a single modern game, even on low settings its going to struggle.
2) Your APU's video card is HD 8760. Actually HD 7670 (Just name changed).
3) Your APU's integrated GPU is stronger than your PCIE GPU.

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Since you would be disabling your 'Stronger' GPU and enabling your 'Weaker' GPU, you would see only loss in performance (Ideally, it was supposed to be exactly opposite of this). HD 8670 is much more powerful than HD 5450. Its three generations ahead and almost 3 series ahead. Do one thing, drop out that GPU and buy nothing in its place. That would give you more frame rates in almost all the games.

If you want to buy a PCIE video card then buying anything better than HD 7870 GHz Edition makes sense only. Otherwise your APU would deal with most of the games.
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August 12, 2013 5:08:17 AM

Agreed. Its pointless spending extra money on a less powerful card you won't use. This is a go big or go home type situation.
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August 12, 2013 2:31:44 PM

luckiest charm said:
You mean what!?

Ehh .. Wait .. Your Chose A10 - 6800K as APU.
HD 5450 as GPU.

Now this build has a TON OF flaws.

1) Your GPU can not play a single modern game, even on low settings its going to struggle.
2) Your APU's video card is HD 8760. Actually HD 7670 (Just name changed).
3) Your APU's integrated GPU is stronger than your PCIE GPU.

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Since you would be disabling your 'Stronger' GPU and enabling your 'Weaker' GPU, you would see only loss in performance (Ideally, it was supposed to be exactly opposite of this). HD 8670 is much more powerful than HD 5450. Its three generations ahead and almost 3 series ahead. Do one thing, drop out that GPU and buy nothing in its place. That would give you more frame rates in almost all the games.

If you want to buy a PCIE video card then buying anything better than HD 7870 GHz Edition makes sense only. Otherwise your APU would deal with most of the games.

Ok ok, i'll stop, but in the future i need a $100-200 gpu, so i get more performance (or i will just save up).
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