What should i get for a cpu - gaming

Justsomeguy12 · Aug 9, 2013

Gaming only.. But a very very fast cpu is needed for x plane 10 everyone has been telling me to use a 4670k i5 is this accurate? Im not cheap and can afford better to pair with my titan gpu.. Please let me know what the best cpu would be thanks

Keep in mind im using this for xplane 10 they claim it only uses one gpu not sli and is more cpu intensive then gpu

ethereal essence · Aug 9, 2013

If you don't plan on overclocking go with the 4670 or 4770 non k versions. (Not much difference with an i7 honestly). If you do want to overclock or think you might in the future go with the 3570k or 3770k. Those cpus are better overclockers than the haswell chips as they don't heat up as much.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

I don't really know about that particular game, but the two best gaming CPUs are probably the FX-8350 an the i5-3570k or 4670k. Go for the FX if you play newer games that take advantage of its 8 cores or you plan on playing upcoming games that will most probably take advantage of all 8 cores. Go for the i5 if you play current games or older games or you plan on upgrading soon anyways. If you just play that game and don't do any other CPU intensive work such as encoding then the i5 sounds like the best. If you use your computer for things other then gaming I'd go with the FX. The FX is cheaper as well but not significantly. Anyways let me know what you think or if you have more questions!

Roland Of Gilead · Aug 9, 2013

Justsomeguy12 :

Yeah, that would be an appropriate CPU for your GPU. If you want the abolsute latest, then the 4670K +Z87 is the way to go. However, you could use any I5 35xx upwards and gt great performance. If money is no option then go the whole hog, and have a haswell based system. Personally, and only because money is a factor for me, I would be going for an I5 3570k + z77 and get next to near identical performance, but probably saving some money for a GPU upgrade (one which you don't need) or maybe an higher capacity SSD.

Roland Of Gilead · Aug 9, 2013

kirilmatthew :

there are no games that would use 8 cores. Stop giving incorrect info. And although an FX 8350 is a decent gaming chip, and not to far behind most I5's there are prob 5+ intel CPU's which would outperform it very easily. If your doing heavy multitasking and redndering, then I consider the octo core AMD, but even still most I5-I7 will still out perform it in most things.

To the OP if you are gaming on a budget AMD8350 isn't a bad idea However to push your Titan, you don't want second best, so any of the Intel chips out above a 3570 would be the best bet for extreme gaming.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

Roland Of Gilead :

I also recommend the i5 in the case the OP is just gaming with current or older games, but to say games don't use 8 core or won't use 8 cores is a lie. Crysis 3 and BF3 are two examples of current games that use many cores. The consoles will have 8 cores making devs better at coding for 8 cores. Some devs are already starting to think about it ( http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s-big-challenge-is-its-amd-chip-that-heavily-relies-on-multi-threading-says-planetside-2-dev/ ) and many devs asked recommended the FX over the i5 ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen )
My information is not false.

COLGeek · Aug 9, 2013

What make/model of motherboard are you using now?

maddogfargo · Aug 9, 2013

In most cases the 3570k will be as good as the newer Haswell 4670k for gaming, but will be a bit less expensive. So if you go intel, you don't need the latest Haswell CPU, especially if it saves you some money.

Also, current AMD FX CPUs are a great pick for gaming. They will run neck in neck with and i5 or i7 in most modern titles. And will save you a good chunk of change that you can put into other parts. But as was stated above, this depends on the game and whether it can use all of their cores or not. Games using 1-2 cores will perform better on an Intel CPU. Games using 4+ cores do very well on AMD.

And I will confirm, kirilmatthew's information is not false.

Roland Of Gilead · Aug 9, 2013

kirilmatthew :

Roland Of Gilead :

I also recommend the i5 in the case the OP is just gaming with current or older games, but to say games don't use 8 core or won't use 8 cores is a lie. Crysis 3 and BF3 are two examples of current games that use many cores. The consoles will have 8 cores making devs better at coding for 8 cores. Some devs are already starting to think about it ( http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s-big-challenge-is-its-amd-chip-that-heavily-relies-on-multi-threading-says-planetside-2-dev/ ) and many devs asked recommended the FX over the i5 ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen )
My information is not false.

'but to say games don't use 8 core or won't use 8 cores is a lie' ....no game currently out would use 8 cores. I didn't say won't in the future. Read Carefully.

To say flat out that the 8350 is one of the two best gaming chips out at the moment, is nonsense.
Any i5 - 3470/3570k/3770/3770k even most of SB I5's( 2500k/2600k/2550k) will beat the 8350 in most gaming benches. Am I lying????.....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-13.html

J_E_D_70 · Aug 9, 2013

Great - here we go again. Please see the link below. It takes the 8350 another four cores and 800MHz *per core* to get one frame over a i5-3470 in a game engine that makes use of the AMD's ability to handle more simultaneous threads. I still vote for a 3570K or 4670K.

http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page6.html

Since you brought consoles into it, they're going to run at less than half the speed of the 8350 with a ~7870 GPU. So there are X number of things that have to be handled in the game logic (not talking GPU rendering here) and they can all be handled adequately by the console's CPU (which is on an x86 architecture using those instructions sets). What insane amount of additional work would they be asking of a PC to do the same thing that would give the 8350 some kind of advantage? It just doesn't make any sense. The only wild card, to me, is the dynamic access to 8GB of DDR5. That has to be shared by all the CPU operations as well tho so I'm not convinced that's a huge deal.

I do hope tho, as a fan of bigger/better/faster, that the consoles turn out to be something special and force Intel to actually compete.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

Roland Of Gilead :

kirilmatthew :

'but to say games don't use 8 core or won't use 8 cores is a lie' ....no game currently out would use 8 cores. I didn't say won't in the future. Read Carefully.

To say flat out that the 8350 is one of the two best gaming chips out at the moment, is nonsense.
Any i5 - 3470/3570k/3770/3770k even most of SB I5's( 2500k/2600k/2550k) will beat the 8350 in most gaming benches. Am I lying????.....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-13.html

You said "there are no games that WOULD use 8 cores". As in they won't in the future. In any case BF3 and Crysis 3 are two examples of games that do currently so that isn't true.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

J_E_D_70 :

These are the first games that use heavy multithreading, but they aren't the last. It will only get better over time. If you look at non gaming applications that have multithreading the FX beats the i5 by a big margin. Eventually this may translate into gaming. As for the consoles, it simply means that devs will be better equipped to code for the FX, not that the console games directly translate onto the PC. Developers will know how to code this PC games, not just ports, for more threads. Ports as well will have AMD but that was not what I was referring to. I think the i5 is great for gamers who play current or older PC games and FX is great for gamers who always want the newest games coming out or those who do stuff besides gaming. That being said, both choices are excellent for gaming in any situation.

Justsomeguy12 · Aug 9, 2013

Roland Of Gilead :

Justsomeguy12 :

Whats the best cpu if money is not an issue then for gaming up to 1100 $
Yeah, that would be an appropriate CPU for your GPU. If you want the abolsute latest, then the 4670K +Z87 is the way to go. However, you could use any I5 35xx upwards and gt great performance. If money is no option then go the whole hog, and have a haswell based system. Personally, and only because money is a factor for me, I would be going for an I5 3570k + z77 and get next to near identical performance, but probably saving some money for a GPU upgrade (one which you don't need) or maybe an higher capacity SSD.

Roland Of Gilead · Aug 9, 2013

kirilmatthew :

Roland Of Gilead :

You said "there are no games that WOULD use 8 cores". As in they won't in the future. In any case BF3 and Crysis 3 are two examples of games that do currently so that isn't true.

Don't be putting words in my mouth

If I was referring to the future I would have said that, but perhaps for the sake of clarity I should have said 'there are no games RIGHT NOW, that would use 8 cores. Which is totally true. You might have 4 out of 8 cores on the 8350 running at next to or near 100% usage during heavy multiplayer battles on BF3, but under no gaming loads would the remaining 4 cores be in use more than 10-20%. So yes, it is true, despite your protestations

Roland Of Gilead · Aug 9, 2013

Justsomeguy12 :

Roland Of Gilead :

Sangeet Khatri · Aug 9, 2013

Guys.. Guys.. Let's get this thing clear.

AMD is good for every multi threaded workloads. while the Intel is better when it comes to single threaded peformance.

Currently, for gaming the Intel is a good CPU. But soon as the games are going to be more and more multi threaded and optimized for more than 4 cores then the 8 cores would definitely come in handy as the 8350 is a beast when it comes to multi threaded performance.

Conclusion :
1. For playing current games, the Intel i5 is better.
2. For playing next gen games like the GTA V, BF4, etc, the AMD should be significantly better.

What to get :
1. So if you are a guy who plays older games that have already been launched then go for the i5.
2. If you are the guy who wants to play next gen games like GTA V, BF4 (sorry for the lack of examples.) then definitely go for the 8350.

Remember, there is nothing good and nothing bad. It depends from users to users and needs to needs. Someone would argue that a getting a Titan currently is no brainer because the 780 offers similar gaming performance for less price, but the Titan would still be best for a guy who does Editing and stuff because the compute performance of the Titan is much better than the 780.

So remember, nothing is good, nothing is bad. It depends from usage to usage

I hope this helps.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

Roland Of Gilead :

kirilmatthew :

Roland Of Gilead :

You said "there are no games that WOULD use 8 cores". As in they won't in the future. In any case BF3 and Crysis 3 are two examples of games that do currently so that isn't true.

Don't be putting words in my mouth

If I was referring to the future I would have said that, but perhaps for the sake of clarity I should have said 'there are no games RIGHT NOW, that would use 8 cores. Which is totally true. You might have 4 out of 8 cores on the 8350 running at next to or near 100% usage during heavy multiplayer battles on BF3, but under no gaming loads would the remaining 4 cores be in use more than 10-20%. So yes, it is true, despite your protestations

Well if this were true then the FXs single core performance must be around the same as the i5, because the FX runs BF3 around the same, if not a bit better then the i5. It is widely agreed upon the BF3 and Crysis 3 use more then four cores if possible.

kirilmatthew · Aug 9, 2013

Sangeet Khatri :

Guys.. Guys.. Let's get this thing clear.

AMD is good for every multi threaded workloads. while the Intel is better when it comes to single threaded peformance.

Currently, for gaming the Intel is a good CPU. But soon as the games are going to be more and more multi threaded and optimized for more than 4 cores then the 8 cores would definitely come in handy as the 8350 is a beast when it comes to multi threaded performance.

Conclusion :
1. For playing current games, the Intel i5 is better.
2. For playing next gen games like the GTA V, BF4, etc, the AMD should be significantly better.

So if you are a guy who plays older games that have already been launched then go for the i5.
And if you are the guy who wants to play next gen games like GTA V, BF4 (sorry for the lack of examples.) then definitely go for the 8350.

Remember, there is nothing good and nothing bad. It depends from users to users and needs to needs. Someone would argue that a getting a Titan currently is no brainer because the 780 offers similar gaming performance for less price, but the Titan would still be best for a guy who does Editing and stuff because the compute performance of the Titan is much better than the 780.

So remember, nothing is good, nothing is bad. It depends from usage to usage

I hope this helps.

I completely agree. Both CPUs have their strengths. Let's not confuse the OP

maddogfargo · Aug 9, 2013

After actually looking at the xPlane 10 system requirements, the dev says xPlane10 will use just 1 core.

THAT ^ is THE key deciding factor.

That means an i3 would run it just fine. Intels have better single-core performance.

However... <- you knew this was coming if you have any sense XD

Even in 1-2 core games like Skyrim, @ 1080p the i5 is only marginally better than the FX series CPUs. And the FX series CPUs can clock a bit higher than the i5 and i7 on equivalent cooling, making up a lot of the difference. And as much as I love Tom's, I don't just get my info from one source. This is based on current testing from multiple sources.

Any time you're looking at spending a significant amount of money it's good to weigh the pros and cons of all your options. One of them should involve your future plans for the investment. More and more devs are going multicore. Even the xPlane dev has a post on their site about multicore questions. And if you're building a new PC, the current performance levels of the FX series CPUs with windows driver and patch updates is on par with an i5 and i7.

But in the end, if he wants to spend his money on a 6 core Intel extreme edition CPU to go with his Titan, that's his call. We're just giving him all the info he needs to make the decision.

PS - Agree 100% with Sangeet's statement above, which is very close to the point I'm trying to make here.

Sangeet Khatri · Aug 9, 2013

Since the above post brings into notice that that the game is going to use only 1 core for gaming, so the i5 4670k (if you are overclocking) or the i5 4670 (if you are not overclocking) both should be the best CPU for that game. As both the CPU's have the best Single Threaded performance in the market right now. So for that game the i5 is as good as you can get.

Also if you are not overclocking, then you can get a i5 4670 (non K version) and a cheap H87 motherboard and you are good to go and would also save money

If you want to overclock then get the i5 4670k as you would be able to squeeze more performance out of that chip and believe me with overclocks the performance would be out of the world with this CPU.

Justsomeguy12 · Aug 9, 2013

Sangeet Khatri :

Guys.. Guys.. Let's get this thing clear.

AMD is good for every multi threaded workloads. while the Intel is better when it comes to single threaded peformance.

Currently, for gaming the Intel is a good CPU. But soon as the games are going to be more and more multi threaded and optimized for more than 4 cores then the 8 cores would definitely come in handy as the 8350 is a beast when it comes to multi threaded performance.

Conclusion :
1. For playing current games, the Intel i5 is better.
2. For playing next gen games like the GTA V, BF4, etc, the AMD should be significantly better.

What to get :
1. So if you are a guy who plays older games that have already been launched then go for the i5.
2. If you are the guy who wants to play next gen games like GTA V, BF4 (sorry for the lack of examples.) then definitely go for the 8350.

Remember, there is nothing good and nothing bad. It depends from users to users and needs to needs. Someone would argue that a getting a Titan currently is no brainer because the 780 offers similar gaming performance for less price, but the Titan would still be best for a guy who does Editing and stuff because the compute performance of the Titan is much better than the 780.

So remember, nothing is good, nothing is bad. It depends from usage to usage

I hope this helps.

Ok i can see clearly now

thanks so much while you guys are here is that the best gpu for gaming or should i look at something else for a single card?

Justsomeguy12 · Aug 9, 2013

byogamingpc :

Why would you not reccomend it for overclocking?
Whats the difference between yours and the other they seem to have same stats?

Justsomeguy12 · Aug 9, 2013

COLGeek :

This is going to be for a new build so if you have any reccomendations thatd be great

COLGeek · Aug 9, 2013

Justsomeguy12 :

Understood. Do you need just the CPU and mobo or do also require other components?

Sangeet Khatri · Aug 9, 2013

The 780 is the best gaming card for now. The titan is just a little faster (only like 2-3 %) for gaming but it is overpriced. So you should better get a 780 if you can. It is a beast gaming GPU.

Also if you have no problem going dual GPU then you should get a 7990 instead. It is the most powerful graphics card ever. It is basically two 7970s in crossfire and it is the most powerful card right now and it is available for the same price as the 780.

Also with AMD's new drivers all the issues with crossfire are resolved and now I would have no problem recommending the crossfire to anyone. So if you are okay with having dual GPU's then go for the 7990 instead.

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