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August 9, 2013 10:36:35 AM

Hi,

Is is true that a 2ms TN-panel LED display is equivalent/comparable to the one with 5ms IPS-panel? Will they be provide equal gaming quality? I'm not very much technical in all this so need to know for sure before making this investment, in order to achieve the best possible price-to-performance ratio.

Thanks a lot.

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August 9, 2013 10:54:55 AM

i doubt you will notice the difference. Also response time is measured differently for every company so its hard to compare. Also response time is no the only stat in telling which one is better.
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August 9, 2013 11:15:59 AM

As mentioned by Azn Cracker, different manufacturers measure response time differently.

Generally speaking, response time basically involves measuring the time it takes for pixels to shift from one shade of color to another. Only the fastest time is kept, all other measured times are simply tossed out with the garbage.

One monitor may have an advertised response time of 2ms, but at the same time the slowest response time could be 300ms. A second monitor may have an advertised response time of 5ms, but the slowest response time could just be 275ms. In this case which monitor is better? The 1st monitor's advertised response time is 3ms faster, but the unpublished tests reveals that the 1st monitor can also be 25ms slower than the 2nd monitor. The answer is that it is difficult to know which is better. You would need to run tests on both (preferably side by side) to determine which is actually better.


Personally, I do not like TN panel monitors. Therefore, I would chose the 5ms IPS monitor.
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August 9, 2013 11:59:46 AM

jaguarskx said:

Personally, I do not like TN panel monitors. Therefore, I would chose the 5ms IPS monitor.


Thanks a lot man.

But IPS displays are comparatively expensive yeah? Would you like to suggest any 23" IPS display that i can get for under $175 (new) :D ?
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August 9, 2013 1:25:14 PM

jaguarskx said:
Personally, I do not like TN panel monitors. Therefore, I would chose the 5ms IPS monitor.


So which brands I should look into then? Asus, Dell, Samsung, BenQ, Toshiba or any others.. What do u suggest bro?
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August 9, 2013 2:57:20 PM

In general I recommend Dell IPS monitors since overall they have good build quality. Asus' IPS monitors are also good. In general, they offer good value. Overall quality is good and prices are generally a bit cheaper than Dell from what i remember, but they also have a "plasticy" to them since, well... the chassis is plastic.

Unfortunately, I cannot really recommend a specific model to you since the last monitor I bought was in 2009. That was a TN panel 24" Asus VK240h for limited usage, roughly 8 hours of usage per month back then, now down to around 1 or 2 hours per month.

I'm still using my H-IPS panel monitors that I bought back in 2007 (NEC LCD2690WUXi) and 2008 (Planar PX2611w). Hopefully they will not die anytime soon because those are expensive monitors; especially the NEC.
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August 10, 2013 11:10:42 AM

So the most number of positive reviews I've found so far are for Asus. And that's what I'm planning to go with.

But I need to make sure if I can save money on 23" IPS/5ms or TN/2ms, and spend it on 24" TN/5ms. Will the absence of IPS and gain of 3ms degrade or in any way spoil the true/ultimate gaming experience?

Thanks a lot.
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August 11, 2013 7:10:51 PM

That is subjective.

Based on posts most gamers still prefer TN panel monitor, especially if you want a 120Hz monitor. However, it seems some gamers are moving over to IPS panel monitors. As I stated above, I have a TN panel monitor, the Asus VK240h, the only time I used to play games was when I was doing so to write a review.

3ms difference is not much, although a hardcore gamer would probably only want to buy 2ms TN panel monitors.

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August 12, 2013 3:51:11 AM

I sent this query on someone's else post regarding the matter which I just noticed was already solved.

So now I request you to please help me. I want to make this decision ASAP and I'm still nowhere on this. Below are the 4 displays I've been able to shortlist so far for GTX 770:

Asus VE247H (TN) => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus VS239H-P (IPS) => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Dell S2340L (IPS) => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus VW246H (it's probably TFT and discontinued but I may arrange it if it reduces the cost considerably) => http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If these are not good for GTX 770, then I'd really look forward to your suggestions on anything else around $250.

Thanks a lot for your help bro.
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August 12, 2013 4:05:42 AM

it depends on rez you going be playing at then performance of your card, and if you plan to SLI in future, for me i was planing to crossfire in future so i bought 120hz TN samsung 27inch , but if you plan just have single GPU setup then 60hz IPS is best to go. Samsung also make really good TN panels. one best TN panels are SA950's 120hz , but like i said it all depends on GPU power, no point having lots of GPU power and high frames if monitor cannot keep up.
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August 12, 2013 5:25:30 AM

bowzef said:
it depends on rez you going be playing at then performance of your card, and if you plan to SLI in future, for me i was planing to crossfire in future so i bought 120hz TN samsung 27inch , but if you plan just have single GPU setup then 60hz IPS is best to go. Samsung also make really good TN panels. one best TN panels are SA950's 120hz , but like i said it all depends on GPU power, no point having lots of GPU power and high frames if monitor cannot keep up.


Thanks bowzef,

My resolution will stirctly 1920x1080. Also, no plans for SLI. My next upgrade could be within 2 years time, and then I'll consider going for SLI and higher resolutions.

so What do you suggest then? And what do you think about BenQ and AOC for gaming?
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August 12, 2013 5:33:37 AM

rlakhani11 said:
bowzef said:
it depends on rez you going be playing at then performance of your card, and if you plan to SLI in future, for me i was planing to crossfire in future so i bought 120hz TN samsung 27inch , but if you plan just have single GPU setup then 60hz IPS is best to go. Samsung also make really good TN panels. one best TN panels are SA950's 120hz , but like i said it all depends on GPU power, no point having lots of GPU power and high frames if monitor cannot keep up.


Thanks bowzef,

My resolution will stirctly 1920x1080. Also, no plans for SLI. My next upgrade could be within 2 years time, and then I'll consider going for SLI and higher resolutions.

so What do you suggest then? And what do you think about BenQ and AOC for gaming?


AOC is cheap branded , if you want nice monitor look at catleap ones , BenQ are ok... but not something il choose for gaming, Asus Dell Samsung some viewsonics are good , how much you willing spend on monitor? and do you want 24inch or 27inch? give me a price and il select a few for ya
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August 12, 2013 6:10:47 AM

bowzef said:
rlakhani11 said:
bowzef said:
it depends on rez you going be playing at then performance of your card, and if you plan to SLI in future, for me i was planing to crossfire in future so i bought 120hz TN samsung 27inch , but if you plan just have single GPU setup then 60hz IPS is best to go. Samsung also make really good TN panels. one best TN panels are SA950's 120hz , but like i said it all depends on GPU power, no point having lots of GPU power and high frames if monitor cannot keep up.


Thanks bowzef,

My resolution will stirctly 1920x1080. Also, no plans for SLI. My next upgrade could be within 2 years time, and then I'll consider going for SLI and higher resolutions.

so What do you suggest then? And what do you think about BenQ and AOC for gaming?


AOC is cheap branded , if you want nice monitor look at catleap ones , BenQ are ok... but not something il choose for gaming, Asus Dell Samsung some viewsonics are good , how much you willing spend on monitor? and do you want 24inch or 27inch? give me a price and il select a few for ya


My budget is $250; 23" for IPS and 24" for TN.

Thanks a lot buddy.
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August 12, 2013 6:26:32 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
dell 23inch ISP

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS239H-P-23-Inch-Full-HD-Mon...
asus 23inch ISP
this is really good value this asus

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
asus 24inch ISP il say this be best out of all of them in IPS just for fact its 24inch and its good performer, iv seen this monitor in person and was pretty nice.

and then there is TN panels but... if you want good PQ then get IPS if you want response time and less input lag get TN, honestly if you don't have GPU power to get 100fps or 90fps then just get that asus 24inch IPS panel, only reason honestly get TN is once you get to 120hz mark not saying 60hz tn's are bad it's just 120hz TN are really way to go and you need GPU power for it.

also asus is 1920x1200, so its slighty better then 1080p but nothing major in terms of taxing gpu grunt HD 7970 should handle it, and it give it that extra little crisp feel to it ^.^
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August 12, 2013 7:36:24 AM

they greys on that monitor are not as good as asus one i linked the 24inch IPS 1920x1200 but.... it's good either way

PROS
Good color and viewing angle performance. Stylish design. Two HDMI ports.
CONS
Weak dark grayscale performance. Limited ergonomic adjustments. Erratic control buttons.
BOTTOM LINE
The Asus MX239H offers solid IPS color and viewing angle performance in a sleek 23-inch desktop monitor. Its grayscale performance could be better, though.

is there any reason why 1920x1200 24inch is not ideal for u? it not like extra 120pixs are going hit your frames
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August 12, 2013 7:46:07 AM

bowzef said:


BOTTOM LINE
The Asus MX239H offers solid IPS color and viewing angle performance in a sleek 23-inch desktop monitor. Its grayscale performance could be better, though.


Ok. So how bad it could hit me in terms of gaming? Will it spoil/hamper the pleasure? Will the difference between MX239H's greyscale over VS24AH's be annoyingly noticeable?

PS. Just saw at Asus's website that MX239H is AH-IPS (Advanced High Performance IPS). Does it matter much?

Thanks.
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August 12, 2013 8:35:49 AM

120pix wont do anything to games. maybe 0.5fps or 1fps hit at most.... but give you slight crisp look but if your happy with MX asus monitor then that's a great monitor too, just saying if you get GTX 770 then you be ok if you get GTX 780 3gb then you really set and good for , what model of GTX 770 are you looking at one with 2gbs vram or 3gbs vram? . more vram you have the impact on more pix is pretty much gone or reduced depend how far your going example would be 2gb vram on 4k monitor = bad 3gbs on 4k monitor= good , this is just example and not in reality , more vram better it is for the high rez monitor. and i honestly think 3gbs vram should be standard for all GPU's on top tier gaming cards . my old GTX 580 SC only had 1.5gbs vram and it was really effecting me in bf3 at 1080p , soons i got 3gbs vram BAM texture pops were gone it was rendering as far as game could go (engine could let it).
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August 12, 2013 9:38:16 AM

bowzef said:
what model of GTX 770 are you looking at one with 2gbs vram or 3gbs vram?


I'm gonna get Gigabyte GTX 770 Windforce 3X 2GB. Will it get along good with MX239H?
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August 12, 2013 10:10:58 AM

I've almost made up my mind and going full sails towards MX239H. But just one last concern, rather curiosity you could say.

Let's say if I had the chance to replace it with Dell U2312HM (it's cheaper), is it going to perform and cope up with GTX 770 the same way as MX239H, better than that, or worse?
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August 12, 2013 1:27:08 PM

@ Jaguarskx / bowzef / byogamingpc / Azn Cracker:

Thank you very much for all your help and support.
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