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If I look at current televisions, like the 3D LED or Plasma screens, everything looks so fluently and beautiful. They are just 1920x1080, but they look MUCH better than my 27" 1920x1080 monitors.
What is the reason televisions look that much better? I bought monitors for my PC because they have a better reaction time or something. But when I look movies on my monitor (Philips 273E) they just don't look fluently, stutter a bit now and then.
But why? I have 2x GTX680 4GB.. they shouldn't bottleneck it..

..... I'm confused.
 
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That's kind of true, yes. It's a little more complicated that that, but yes 60Hz and 60fps are essentially the same thing. 3D requires 120Hz because it provides a 60Hz / 60fps image separately to each eye.

This is the source though, your PC will be outputting at 60 or 120Hz. An LCD screen will accept that image then display it onscreen, but the LCD screen does not refresh itself at that speed. In fact an LCD screen never refreshes, an LCD monitor is always on and simply changes the colour of its pixels in response to whatever is...
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Not surprised at all.

Have a look at the refresh rate a new led tv works at. Lets say 600hz refresh.
Now look at the max refresh speed of your 27" monitor. say 120hz or 144hz refresh if your lucky.
More screen data passed to display in a faster time period.
Faster screen updating. It is how many times each pixel or row can switch in speed to the moving image presented to it.
That sort of explains why in a nut shell. Why it seems more fluid to the eyes anyway.
 
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Because:

your monitor uses a TN panel (Twisted-nematic. Google it).

Your sceeen may be poorly calibrated

TVs do a lot of video processing to make the image look as good as possible. This causes lag, which is unnoticeable when watching a movie. Lag is a killer in video games however so monitors tend to have significently less image procesing built in.
 
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There is no such thing as a refresh rate with LCD screens. They are always on, they do not refresh. You are talking about response times, measured in miliseconds, not Hertz.



 
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no tv is past 60hz that is fact, all this 200hz 600hz on plasmas and LED are marketing gimmicks that are all lies, what it all is that its software... TV's use post processing on the image that gives it nicer look over monitors, this also means more input lag and bad response times ect ect on tv's but PQ is amazing, its all software nothing to do with hardware really... like Low level HDMI blacks and stuff are software done this is how they are able get amazing PQ the important factor for tv is viewing experience not the response time, there is also sharping effects that are also software done... that give off more clean and less blured look this is a form of post processing, then there is the TV calibrator settings to even make it better if you know how use it.
 
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Ah, things are getting much clearer now
I always thought that.. let's say 60Hz could display 60 fps, and 120Hz shows 120fps.
Since most movies are recorded at 24 fps, I thought this shouldn't matter.

Also someone mentioned that I use a TN-panel. What difference does it make? I was considering an upgrade to two "LG 27" LED Monitor IPS277L-BN". Would these give a better image, and what does it mean for my gaming performance?
 
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more montiors you have more taxing its going be on the GPU, its recommended if you have 2 or 3 displays and game on them to get dual gpu's , and IPS produce better color's then TN panels they pretty nice, for people that want best gaming experience its bout personal opinion, some really want great PQ and some want best resonse times and no input lag and just most fluidity experience for games then they get a TN 120hz or 144hz panel with GPU grunt for it 60fps @ 120hz is better then 60fps @ 60hz but where it really shines is when you getting 90+fps 100+fps 120fps with 120hz tn then things are really rocking in terms of how smooth and responsive it all is. i am 120hz 120fps person , my friend that lives with me is 60fps IPS fan he's important is how good the picture looks, and il tell you this PQ on ISP is great it really is it looks stunning but there are factors.
 
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also like to point out were in a transition of rez changes and technology change OLED and 4k and 2k rez, on single monitor and displays are now getting larger 30inchs are coming out 29inchers coming out, but there is hell of a price for them, if you need help on picking a monitor, il more then happy give you my 2cents on what you should be looking at ^.^
 
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That's kind of true, yes. It's a little more complicated that that, but yes 60Hz and 60fps are essentially the same thing. 3D requires 120Hz because it provides a 60Hz / 60fps image separately to each eye.

This is the source though, your PC will be outputting at 60 or 120Hz. An LCD screen will accept that image then display it onscreen, but the LCD screen does not refresh itself at that speed. In fact an LCD screen never refreshes, an LCD monitor is always on and simply changes the colour of its pixels in response to whatever is being inputted. The time it takes to change the colour of a pixel is called the response time and is measure in milliseconds.

FPS/Hertz and Milliseconds are different things, you cannot easily directly compare them.

I'm probably not explaining myself very clearly, but LCD panels and refresh rates etc are quite a complicated subject!




That was me. Again, simplifying a lot, TN = cheap = quick response times and poor image quality. IPS = expensive = slower response times but much better image quality.


(edited for typos)
 
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I was considering an upgrade from those TN-panels to IPS-panels. Would these screens look more fluently, or only have better colours? Also, is the loss in response time going to affect my gameplay (Mainly League of Legends or recent shooters)?

I posted this thread to understand why TV's look better, because I'm getting a new TV soon (Samsung PS51D6900) from a friend who sells it. I wanted to know if this screen will be as fluently as other screens I see these days, and that it aren't my GPU's that bottleneck the view.

So can this all be confirmed?
 
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