New MMO Build (FFXIV) - Prefer under $1k

zeroangels

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Hi Everyone, thanks ahead of time for the help. I'm looking for a ground up new build. I'm quite technically handy but it will be my first ground up build (have done many upgrades/tear downs of old systems before). I know there's been many queries regarding "FFXIV Builds" which I have taken a look (and maybe gotten more confused with all the different setups suggested) at but people also suggest asking around when you'd like to purchase. So here I am.


Approximate Purchase Date: this week

Budget Range: $1000 After Shipping Preferred

System Usage from Most to Least Important: MMO Gaming (FFXIV)
FXIV: ARR Recommended System Requirements
Operating System: Windows® 7 64 bit
Processor: Intel® Core™ i5
Graphics: NVIDIA® Geforce® GTX 660 or higher, AMD Radeon™ HD 7950 or higher
Memory: 4GB of RAM.
Disk Space: 20GB.

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: New Build (please include: CPU, CPU Cooler, Mobo, Memory, Storage (SDD not required), GPU, Case, PSU)

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon.ca/newegg.ca/ncix.ca, etc all acceptable

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Toronto, Canada

Parts Preferences: Prefer Intel, but can be convinced otherwise

Overclocking: Likely Not

SLI or Crossfire: Likely Not

Your Monitor Resolution:
Current: 1680x1050
Future Upgrade: 1920x1080, 1920x1200

Additional Comments: Quiet, a minimalist looking case nothing extravigant.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: New build for significant other to play FFXIV ARR & other MMO/RPG games on, rather than having to play on an overheating laptop.

Thank you!
 
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Slightly edited for canada:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:...
The best build for $1000 -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.05 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock 970 Extreme3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($64.30 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.00 @ Canada Computers)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($67.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.75 @ Vuugo)
Total: $970.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 12:09 EDT-0400)

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The CPU is of AMD but it matches head to head with i5 4670K and even beats it in many applications. Its a great CPU for future games too due to 8 cores. The cream of the crop is that its $50 cheaper overall. Similarly GPU is GTX 770. It can easily max out all the games you would want to play on 1920 x 1080. No issues anywhere.

The best you can find in Canada.
 

g-unit1111

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The CPU is of AMD but it matches head to head with i5 4670K and even beats it in many applications.

Really? None of the benchmarks I've seen say otherwise - and I discredit Tech Power Up and CPU Boss - anything that's user edited has TONS of variables that could distort the results.

$1K build? I would not go with AMD FX personally. Go with a 4670K instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($265.66 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($107.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($71.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1033.56
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 13:36 EDT-0400)
 

ps3hacker12

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G unit is right, the i5 is definetely better than the FX8350, and for MMOs especially where your CPU is often what is put under load.

If your not interested in SLIing/Crossfiring in the future then:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($71.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $849.50
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 14:19 EDT-0400)
 

zeroangels

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Aug 12, 2013
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Thanks for the responses! Just want to quick note, I'm in Canada, so once I switch the part picker back to "Canada", the US quotes get inflated to around $1200 mainly due to lack of deals/sales and inflated prices. (Kinda sad really $850 goes up to $1200+ lol)

Seems like I should lean towards the Intel chip but I'll look a little into it myself as well before making a final decision. Feel free to continue discussion on that.

Also any reason for the 620W PSU? All the builds presented are under the estimated 500W range. Would I be okay with a 550W? or do I need a 620W or the one chosen was a good deal?
 

ps3hacker12

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Slightly edited for canada:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($243.16 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.46 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($110.00 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($70.48 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Canada Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.75 @ Vuugo)
Total: $968.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 17:53 EDT-0400)

yeah and the reason we chose the 620W was that it was a good deal.
 
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I too put i5 4670K at first but it resulted in $1100 in Canada when checked.
That is why I had to use AMD.

And yeah, see it sir then -

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You see, it shows its best on higher resolutions.
I wonder what is better, i5 4670K + HD 7970 / GTX 760 or FX 8350 + GTX 770?
 

zeroangels

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Aug 12, 2013
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I think this is what I'm going with after all the input from everyone and playing around with places that have stock and the right price. All three of you have helped immensely, especially luckiest charm & ps3hacker12 for the discussion on the different cpu & cards! Went with the i5, and the 7970 (lower price).

Last question, is there a way to pick more than one solution (I'm kinda new here)? since....well you both helped me so much. =)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($274.77 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.89 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.30 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($72.65 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.43 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($367.03 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($56.48 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($62.13 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1060.68
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-13 10:02 EDT-0400)
 
No problem. :)

Just be sure of one thing, do not XFire that card in future as most games don't scale well on two AMD cards.

As long as you stick to 1 7970 its awesome, if you add in another one, you would surely encounter micro sluttering and / or black screens and other issues caused due to scaling.
HD 7970 also runs hotter than any of the Nvidia cards which also doesn't allow you to XFire unless you have liquid cooling or a goddamn awesome case with perfect airflow (Corsair 200R certainly isn't one of them. At least 400R is required for proper temperatures while Fractal Design R4 is ideal).

To be honest, if I were you, I would for now buy a GTX 760 and later on (after getting $100 - $200 more) SLI it with another 760 which would give me GTX Titan's (Fastest single Graphics Card on the planet) performance for $500 (Titan costs $1000).

So, this build would make more sense if absolute and more power is desired while taking advantage of awesome scaling Nvidia cards offer to cut costs by half -

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($243.16 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.46 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($64.30 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($274.75 @ Vuugo)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Canada Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $918.63
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-13 10:21 EDT-0400)

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Just changed the motherboard from Pro3 to Extreme3 to add SLI support.
Now, GTX 760 can max out all games you would ever want to play and very easily crosses recommended requirements of Final Fantasy XIV. In other words, you would get smooth 60 FPS even with a single GTX 760 on 1920 x 1080.

So, two things apply here -

1) GTX 760 is more than enough for all MMORPGs on Ultra for 1080p. It won't struggle anywhere. Therefore HD 7970 / GTX 770 are overkill for your requirements.

2) If you would play future demanding MMOs as well and would also play other genre games which would be released in future, it makes a lot sense to add in another GTX 760 for $250 more if you see the need to. Using 2 AMD cards come up with many issues (I see a lot of them on Tom's) which effectively restricts XFire and adding more power for less money thing.

Buy a video card from Nvidia and you would be a happier person, be it GTX 760 or GTX 770 (760 is enough for your current needs).

Rest depends on you. I don't mind about my answer not being picked as solution but I don't want you to encounter future issues with things. There are just my two cents.
 

ps3hacker12

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the 7970 sadly had bad issues on crossfiring on launch but the 12.9 drivers fixed most, if not all those issues (AMD took quite a long time to release the fix, but they did it in the end):
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=883&page=0

also before the patch was released radeon pro released their drivers which fixed most of the issues too:
http://www.radeonpro.info/download/

Its just the majority of reviews were written at the time of the 7970's launch so issues were present then :)