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August 12, 2013 3:57:17 PM

Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)

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August 12, 2013 4:08:12 PM

Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.
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August 12, 2013 4:10:11 PM

finalchance said:
Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)


Keep your mobo unless you're specifically unhappy with it also just bump it up to the AMD FX8350 the Win8 OS is optimized for gaming with that CPU. You can totally bump your RAM to 16GB with the G.Skills! That will most definitely hold you over for a while LOL especially gaming since 8GB is already enough for gaming but your editing/rendering will benefit from the extra RAM. Make sure the CAS Latency is at least 9 on top of that 1600MHz on your RAM. Another note since you will have certain things outside of the gaming and regular personal use with your editing/rendering on top of multitasking. I would go with the AMD Radeon 7970 it has the most compute power while still being amazing for gaming. Get the one with the better VRAM if you want to be prepared for multi-screening! Let's see what else hmm..
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August 12, 2013 4:11:33 PM

Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)
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August 12, 2013 4:21:36 PM

MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


ps3hacker12 said:
Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)



So you would do the 4th gen intel instead of the 3rd? or AMD even? Its good everyone agrees with the graphic card.
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August 12, 2013 4:23:57 PM

The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)


Keep your mobo unless you're specifically unhappy with it also just bump it up to the AMD FX8350 the Win8 OS is optimized for gaming with that CPU. You can totally bump your RAM to 16GB with the G.Skills! That will most definitely hold you over for a while LOL especially gaming since 8GB is already enough for gaming but your editing/rendering will benefit from the extra RAM. Make sure the CAS Latency is at least 9 on top of that 1600MHz on your RAM. Another note since you will have certain things outside of the gaming and regular personal use with your editing/rendering on top of multitasking. I would go with the AMD Radeon 7970 it has the most compute power while still being amazing for gaming. Get the one with the better VRAM if you want to be prepared for multi-screening! Let's see what else hmm..

That AMD FX8350 doesnt look half bad. I just see soooo many people shoot for intel. It seems like I messed up on my first build.
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August 12, 2013 4:27:51 PM

finalchance said:
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


ps3hacker12 said:
Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)



So you would do the 4th gen intel instead of the 3rd? or AMD even? Its good everyone agrees with the graphic card.


I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY
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August 12, 2013 4:37:12 PM

The Kasafist said:
I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY


In terms of processing power, I would never reccommend an AMD processor in a high end build UNLESS they had a requirement for a high core count in which case i would reccommend a better performing 6-core i7 :p 
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August 12, 2013 4:46:25 PM

ps3hacker12 said:
The Kasafist said:
I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY


In terms of processing power, I would never reccommend an AMD processor in a high end build UNLESS they had a requirement for a high core count in which case i would reccommend a better performing 6-core i7 :p 


He mentioned considering for rendering/editing which may pertain to core specific applications which a very well optimized in Win8 on top of that the OP really may not want to blow $500-$1K on just a CPU! Also I don't pick parts based on the fanboy routing I go by price to performance ratio since Win8 optimizes the AMD very well those cores will actually come in handy. There are reviews out there that even state if I am not mistaken maybe even one here on Tom's about how Intel's better single core performance may be a thing of the past. Especially software hardware, drivers, etc get more optimized for more cores like AMDs. Fact is that with games and software based editing and rendering are not optimized by the coders to properly use all those cores on the AMD mainly because Intel held the contracts with them for a very long time! At this point over time you may be surprised on the optimizations that AMD may have as it gets more mainstream due to Devs that make games will now be optimizing them for AMD and as that trend moves along slowly it may be better optimized for other programs, software, hardware etc. Anyhow it's the OPs choice what route to take the beauty of building a PC is choice! An Intel version of the build above is totally doable.
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August 12, 2013 4:47:52 PM

Yeah the AMD FX-8350 is good. It's just that Intel i5 do a little better. Especially when it comes to gaming the i5 is an awesome CPU.

But this might all change as Kasafist mentioned now that AMD is making the chips for the PS4. I expect their future generation chips to be better optimized for gaming. But it's not as if they ever been terrible either. I had a AMD Phenom-II X4 and it ran all my games smoothly.

Right now, AMD have interesting offerings in the 75$-150$ price range for entry-level and mid-level gamers or system builders. It's just that when you go to the high end of the spectrum in the 200$-300$ range, you should definitely go with Intel right now.

And someone else could confirm it, but I think 4th generation Haswell shows little improvement over previous 2nd and 3rd generation. And even worst I heard they run a little hotter, so 2nd and 3rd generation overclock better.
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August 12, 2013 4:48:19 PM

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MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)


Keep your mobo unless you're specifically unhappy with it also just bump it up to the AMD FX8350 the Win8 OS is optimized for gaming with that CPU. You can totally bump your RAM to 16GB with the G.Skills! That will most definitely hold you over for a while LOL especially gaming since 8GB is already enough for gaming but your editing/rendering will benefit from the extra RAM. Make sure the CAS Latency is at least 9 on top of that 1600MHz on your RAM. Another note since you will have certain things outside of the gaming and regular personal use with your editing/rendering on top of multitasking. I would go with the AMD Radeon 7970 it has the most compute power while still being amazing for gaming. Get the one with the better VRAM if you want to be prepared for multi-screening! Let's see what else hmm..

That AMD FX8350 doesnt look half bad. I just see soooo many people shoot for intel. It seems like I messed up on my first build.


The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


ps3hacker12 said:
Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)



So you would do the 4th gen intel instead of the 3rd? or AMD even? Its good everyone agrees with the graphic card.


I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY

That Video card is amazing! Thank you for finding that. I watched the videos and saw that the AMD comes close and may be "Optimized", but the i5 seems to have a few more frames. I was very interested in the Skyrim results since my skyrim is the thorn. The intel went much further. Hm.

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MC_K7 said:
Yeah the AMD FX-8350 is good. It's just that Intel i5 do a little better. Especially when it comes to gaming the i5 is an awesome CPU.

AMD have interesting offerings in the 75$-150$ price range for entry-level and mid-level gamers or system builders. It's just that when you go to the high end of the spectrum in the 200$-300$ range, you should definitely go with Intel.

And someone else could confirm it, but I think 4th generation Haswell shows little improvement over previous 2nd and 3rd generation. And even worst I heard they run a little hotter, so 2nd and 3rd generation overclock better.


Ohhhh! Very interesting. I read somewhere as well that they get hot and didnt improve much. Everyone, 8/10 people, usually point to i5 Intel. I want something that will swallow games whole. Video production/Rendering will be very little but still want to be able to do it.
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finalchance said:
Spoiler
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)


Keep your mobo unless you're specifically unhappy with it also just bump it up to the AMD FX8350 the Win8 OS is optimized for gaming with that CPU. You can totally bump your RAM to 16GB with the G.Skills! That will most definitely hold you over for a while LOL especially gaming since 8GB is already enough for gaming but your editing/rendering will benefit from the extra RAM. Make sure the CAS Latency is at least 9 on top of that 1600MHz on your RAM. Another note since you will have certain things outside of the gaming and regular personal use with your editing/rendering on top of multitasking. I would go with the AMD Radeon 7970 it has the most compute power while still being amazing for gaming. Get the one with the better VRAM if you want to be prepared for multi-screening! Let's see what else hmm..

That AMD FX8350 doesnt look half bad. I just see soooo many people shoot for intel. It seems like I messed up on my first build.


The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


ps3hacker12 said:
Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)



So you would do the 4th gen intel instead of the 3rd? or AMD even? Its good everyone agrees with the graphic card.


I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY

That Video card is amazing! Thank you for finding that. I watched the videos and saw that the AMD comes close and may be "Optimized", but the i5 seems to have a few more frames. I was very interested in the Skyrim results since my skyrim is the thorn. The intel went much further. Hm.



My point as you can see that a new OS totally made a jump in FPS especially minimum FPS its simple the coders and programmers who need to optimize for the chips! You choose to go with that i5 it really is the #1 still for gaming so I wouldn't blame ya I was just wondering if perhaps you might want to stick with AMD a little longer wouldn't want you to regret losing out on optimization due to AMDs new contract with Sony and games end up performing better down the road is all. Only reason I got an i7 with a LGA 2011 socket is cause my fiancee uses Photoshop Maser Suite CS6 and word at the time was that 2011 socket and an i7 perform great for that kind of huge software.

Plus my increased VRAM favors it also. I am hoping Intel makes an 8-core that utilizes that 2011 socket or they will have a very angry customer. I didn't feel it justified to get a hex-core I would simple like to double the cores when the time comes! Anyhow why don't you mess around with that list I gave ya and maybe you will find something even more satisfying to your liking! The i5 will still do the job yes! Especially at 16GB RAM and all that VRAM that AMD Radeon 7970 has. Honestly even the 3GB VRAM will do just fine also! You just want more than 2GB VRAM for the multi-screening if you so choose on top of some os that video editing. Another great choice honestly for the money is the GTX 770 it's one of my personal favs. Honestly the GTX 770 matches the power and performance of the GTX 680 at the lower VRAM spectrum the (2GB VRAM). While the higher VRAM would be best for the higher res and multi-screening the 700 series cards are prepared for those 4K res monitors that are incredibly overpriced LOL! The 4GB would match the price of a 2GB VRAM GTX 680 while performing most likely better than the 680 if that floats your boat! ;) 
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August 12, 2013 5:09:50 PM

Spoiler
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
Spoiler
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
Hey Guys!

I’m new to the community and decided to join for some professional insight on my pc conundrum. Every google search brought me here. I built a PC, for school and gaming mainly, about a year ago. Mid to High power in graphics. I'll show the parts below that went into it. Basically, I have someone that can use it which leaves me to build a new one, a better one even.

I need to know what needs to be swapped and tweaked to run serious graphics. To give an idea of something I can’t run at the moment, let's think of ENB’s for Skyrim. For anyone that uses ENB’s, you might have noticed how they will normally pimp slap you FPS. I don’t like that. There are enhancements that make skyrim look stupid pretty on the eyes, and I want to play that at 60+ frames. I can’t at the moment.

My moneys are in the $1,500~$2,000 range, hopefully keeping well below that $2,000 ceiling. I believe my first stab at a PC had ok choices at the time, but probably could have been better. I want to do things right this time so any suggestions are very welcomed.

I don't know if post are described this much in length but I’d rather have everyone on the same page rather guessing. I don't know if intel is a better option and if it is better, do I go for 3rd or 4th generation? i5 vs i7? Radeon vs Nvidia? This is definitely focused on all around performance but mainly getting that FPS up in beautiful games (Max Settings). Playing at 1080p with one (possibly 2) monitors. I can't spend $999 on the latest cards but there has to be some kind of combination thats worked wonders for someone out there. Video editing/rendering is in my work load here and there. I also need to really multitask. Let me know what you guys think I should do, thanks in advance.

First PC:

CPU: AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
GPU: SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
MB: ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
OS SSD: OCZ Agility 3 AGT3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC
HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
CASE: XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower
PSU: hec Zephyr MX 750 750W Peak Output ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91
Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
OS: Windows 8
Price = ~$1000

New Setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($121.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($305.38 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VN300M1W2N ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 18:48 EDT-0400)


Keep your mobo unless you're specifically unhappy with it also just bump it up to the AMD FX8350 the Win8 OS is optimized for gaming with that CPU. You can totally bump your RAM to 16GB with the G.Skills! That will most definitely hold you over for a while LOL especially gaming since 8GB is already enough for gaming but your editing/rendering will benefit from the extra RAM. Make sure the CAS Latency is at least 9 on top of that 1600MHz on your RAM. Another note since you will have certain things outside of the gaming and regular personal use with your editing/rendering on top of multitasking. I would go with the AMD Radeon 7970 it has the most compute power while still being amazing for gaming. Get the one with the better VRAM if you want to be prepared for multi-screening! Let's see what else hmm..

That AMD FX8350 doesnt look half bad. I just see soooo many people shoot for intel. It seems like I messed up on my first build.


The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
MC_K7 said:
Sounds like a pretty solid build, not much I can say about it.

If you want extreme graphics and high FPS. You could also consider getting an aftermarket cooler with that i5-3570K. You don't have to overclock it from the start, but if you ever feel like a game needs it then you can OC it. Sometimes you can get bottleneck from the CPU too. Although this i5 will be pretty solid at stock speed too.

Good choice for the video card, you should be able to max out every games for a while. Then, if you ever feel you need more graphics power, you could add a second card in Crossfire. Or simply replace it with a more powerful single card, depending on what they'll release in the upcoming years.


ps3hacker12 said:
Small changes you could possibly make, but its mostly personal preferences :p  :
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.60 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White/Red) ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($94.38 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1231.80
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-12 19:11 EDT-0400)



So you would do the 4th gen intel instead of the 3rd? or AMD even? Its good everyone agrees with the graphic card.


I went this route honestly AMD may have a huge curb for optimizing in games now that they have the Sony contract so you may see better optimization of PC titles on AMD chips and such in the near future! Also most of this build keeps some things you already chose! Watch these so you can see why I chose the route I chose as far as gaming goes!

Here is the link for a Build with very similar to what you already selected with some modification! The VRAM on the 7970 I chose will really help with the multi-screening! If you so choose my friend when you get or if you choose to play on 2 screens:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

I highly recommend watching these before you decide! Parts 1 through 4!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY

That Video card is amazing! Thank you for finding that. I watched the videos and saw that the AMD comes close and may be "Optimized", but the i5 seems to have a few more frames. I was very interested in the Skyrim results since my skyrim is the thorn. The intel went much further. Hm.
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My point as you can see that a new OS totally made a jump in FPS especially minimum FPS its simple the coders and programmers who need to optimize for the chips! You choose to go with that i5 it really is the #1 still for gaming so I wouldn't blame ya I was just wondering if perhaps you might want to stick with AMD a little longer wouldn't want you to regret losing out on optimization due to AMDs new contract with Sony and games end up performing better down the road is all. Only reason I got an i7 with a LGA 2011 socket is cause my fiancee uses Photoshop Maser Suite CS6 and word at the time was that 2011 socket and an i7 perform great for that kind of huge software.

Plus my increased VRAM favors it also. I am hoping Intel makes an 8-core that utilizes that 2011 socket or they will have a very angry customer. I didn't feel it justified to get a hex-core I would simple like to double the cores when the time comes! Anyhow why don't you mess around with that list I gave ya and maybe you will find something even more satisfying to your liking! The i5 will still do the job yes! Especially at 16GB RAM and all that VRAM that AMD Radeon 7970 has. Honestly even the 3GB VRAM will do just fine also! You just want more than 2GB VRAM for the multi-screening if you so choose on top of some os that video editing. Another great choice honestly for the money is the GTX 770 it's one of my personal favs.

Your insight has been very helpful. Do you know how far VRAM helps in a game when it comes to graphics? I have an idea but I dont know if 3 or 6 is needed. 6 sounds fantastic but does that make gameplay smoother?
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August 12, 2013 5:15:48 PM

VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!
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August 12, 2013 5:23:57 PM

The Kasafist said:
VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!

Ahh ok. So what aspect of the formula gets better performance (FPS) out of the games (Max Settings)? I shouldn't spend a lot on something I don't really need.
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August 12, 2013 5:25:15 PM

finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!

Ahh ok. So what aspect of the formula gets better performance (FPS) out of the games (Max Settings)? I shouldn't spend a lot on something I don't really need.


Do you think higher VRAM will matter to you? I already tossed an Intel i5 3570K with an appropriate mobo on the same list above and I just need to know if you want 2GB VRAM or 4GB VRAM that GTX 770 is a great pick if you choose otherwise as far as an Nvidia card would go the GTX 670 is still on tomshardware review as the favorite LOL! If you game on one monitor at 1080p go with this build it will more than enough power: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA
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August 12, 2013 5:37:32 PM

The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!

Ahh ok. So what aspect of the formula gets better performance (FPS) out of the games (Max Settings)? I shouldn't spend a lot on something I don't really need.


Do you think higher VRAM will matter to you? I already tossed an Intel i5 3570K with an appropriate mobo on the same list above and I just need to know if you want 2GB VRAM or 4GB VRAM that GTX 770 is a great pick if you choose otherwise as far as an Nvidia card would go the GTX 670 is still on tomshardware review as the favorite LOL! If you game on one monitor at 1080p go with this build it will more than enough power: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA


I think 4 would be great, having it there as cushion. I already use 2gb's on my card atm and it sweats. Ive never done Nvidia before lol.
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August 12, 2013 5:39:52 PM

finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!

Ahh ok. So what aspect of the formula gets better performance (FPS) out of the games (Max Settings)? I shouldn't spend a lot on something I don't really need.


Do you think higher VRAM will matter to you? I already tossed an Intel i5 3570K with an appropriate mobo on the same list above and I just need to know if you want 2GB VRAM or 4GB VRAM that GTX 770 is a great pick if you choose otherwise as far as an Nvidia card would go the GTX 670 is still on tomshardware review as the favorite LOL! If you game on one monitor at 1080p go with this build it will more than enough power: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA


I think 4 would be great, having it there as cushion. I already use 2gb's on my card atm and it sweats. Ive never done Nvidia before lol.


Ok this build!: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA

Oh BTW the CPU liquid cooler is totally optional if you don't plan to overclock then you can get a regular CPU block and heatsink for like a lot less or a could pick you a cheaper liquid cooler for your overclocking needs that could drop the price a bit better. It's just that the swiftech is special because it's the only one that you can get pre-built and still customize afterwards! Wish I had one personally LOL!
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August 12, 2013 5:41:37 PM

My two cents:

1) i5-4670K
2) 1150/Z87 motherboard
3) GTX 770
4) 8GB DDR3 (1866 or 2133MHz)
5) START8 from Stardock ($5) for Windows 8.

*More than 8GB is wasted unless you have a non-gaming usage for it such as video editing. Just because 16GB might be fairly "cheap" doesn't mean you should just throw it in your system if there's no advantage. There is absolutely ZERO advantage to more than 8GB.

*Here is a PERFORMANCE SUMMARY (several games combined) that shows how the Asus GTX 770 DCU2 OC card compares to other cards:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

SHADOWPLAY:
The new Shadowplay feature for NVidia 600/700 series cards can record gameplay with almost no performance hit using the NVENC encoder on the card. No date on Shadowplay yet (probably next two months).
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August 12, 2013 5:47:28 PM

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The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
finalchance said:
The Kasafist said:
VRAM should only concern you when using heavy programs like CS6 or when playing a game on multiple monitors or higher resolutions for example 1440p res monitor or 4K res monitor or multiscreening 2-3 monitors at 1080p like dual screening would be like 3840x1080 or triple screen at 5760x1080! Also helps when multi-tasking too! If none of those things apply then 2-3GB VRAM is more than enough on 1 screen for just about anything at 1080p!

Ahh ok. So what aspect of the formula gets better performance (FPS) out of the games (Max Settings)? I shouldn't spend a lot on something I don't really need.


Do you think higher VRAM will matter to you? I already tossed an Intel i5 3570K with an appropriate mobo on the same list above and I just need to know if you want 2GB VRAM or 4GB VRAM that GTX 770 is a great pick if you choose otherwise as far as an Nvidia card would go the GTX 670 is still on tomshardware review as the favorite LOL! If you game on one monitor at 1080p go with this build it will more than enough power: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/thekasafist/saved/29RA


I think 4 would be great, having it there as cushion. I already use 2gb's on my card atm and it sweats. Ive never done Nvidia before lol.

Very cool! Thank you! I'll bounce around with the 3-4 cards you suggested. Motherboard looks cool too. I'm not to familiar with MB's.
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August 12, 2013 5:51:07 PM

photonboy said:
My two cents:

1) i5-4670K
2) 1150/Z87 motherboard
3) GTX 770
4) 8GB DDR3 (1866 or 2133MHz)
5) START8 from Stardock ($5) for Windows 8.

*More than 8GB is wasted unless you have a non-gaming usage for it such as video editing. Just because 16GB might be fairly "cheap" doesn't mean you should just throw it in your system if there's no advantage. There is absolutely ZERO advantage to more than 8GB.

*Here is a PERFORMANCE SUMMARY (several games combined) that shows how the Asus GTX 770 DCU2 OC card compares to other cards:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

SHADOWPLAY:
The new Shadowplay feature for NVidia 600/700 series cards can record gameplay with almost no performance hit using the NVENC encoder on the card. No date on Shadowplay yet (probably next two months).

So you would vouch for the 770 also? I noted the RAM comment as I'm still learning a lot of this. Those results were pretty good. Any reason you use the i5-4670k instead of 3570?
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August 12, 2013 5:54:28 PM

photonboy said:
My two cents:

1) i5-4670K
2) 1150/Z87 motherboard
3) GTX 770
4) 8GB DDR3 (1866 or 2133MHz)
5) START8 from Stardock ($5) for Windows 8.

*More than 8GB is wasted unless you have a non-gaming usage for it such as video editing. Just because 16GB might be fairly "cheap" doesn't mean you should just throw it in your system if there's no advantage. There is absolutely ZERO advantage to more than 8GB.

*Here is a PERFORMANCE SUMMARY (several games combined) that shows how the Asus GTX 770 DCU2 OC card compares to other cards:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_770...

SHADOWPLAY:
The new Shadowplay feature for NVidia 600/700 series cards can record gameplay with almost no performance hit using the NVENC encoder on the card. No date on Shadowplay yet (probably next two months).


Oh wow that was good advice even for me since I had no idea that shadow play was even being thought of that sounds like something I am even after LOL! Anyhow yea I personally have 8GB at the moment but plan to upgrade to 16GB because of the fiancees CS6 Master Suite. The OP does mention the use of video editing and rendering though which is why he chose the 16GB besides his budget can handle it so why not! Plus this means not having to think about upping the RAM later he will already have. As for the 4thGen Intel chips that's totally up to the OP finalchance if you decide thats the route you want to take then go for it my friend!
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August 12, 2013 7:35:46 PM

Yeah 16GB can help in some situations. And RAM isn't that expensive anyways. If you have the budget go for it. But he's right that for gaming, you probably won't notice the difference.
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August 12, 2013 7:49:44 PM

MC_K7 said:
Yeah 16GB can help in some situations. And RAM isn't that expensive anyways. If you have the budget go for it. But he's right that for gaming, you probably won't notice the difference.


Agreed!
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August 13, 2013 9:27:12 AM

ps3hacker12 said:
The 7970 and the GTX770 are comparable when it comes to gaming, IMO get whatever is cheaper :)  :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


They do look close. I think the 770 is better for my taste. I'm starting to think i7 cpu might be better than i5 though. For the sake of multitasking.
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August 13, 2013 9:49:06 AM

finalchance said:
ps3hacker12 said:
The 7970 and the GTX770 are comparable when it comes to gaming, IMO get whatever is cheaper :)  :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


They do look close. I think the 770 is better for my taste. I'm starting to think i7 cpu might be better than i5 though. For the sake of multitasking.


For gaming, hyper-threading doesn't make much difference really. For some other software too, hyper-threading might have zero effect on performance (or even negative effect in some situations, Matlab comes to my mind as they advise on turning off hyper-threading completely in the BIOS). But there are other software that like it, if you're going to do some light video editing, I think hyper-threading can help a lot. Some programming and simulation software like it too. It really depends on what software you'll be using.
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August 13, 2013 2:53:21 PM

MC_K7 said:
finalchance said:
ps3hacker12 said:
The 7970 and the GTX770 are comparable when it comes to gaming, IMO get whatever is cheaper :)  :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


They do look close. I think the 770 is better for my taste. I'm starting to think i7 cpu might be better than i5 though. For the sake of multitasking.


For gaming, hyper-threading doesn't make much difference really. For some other software too, hyper-threading might have zero effect on performance (or even negative effect in some situations, Matlab comes to my mind as they advise on turning off hyper-threading completely in the BIOS). But there are other software that like it, if you're going to do some light video editing, I think hyper-threading can help a lot. Some programming and simulation software like it too. It really depends on what software you'll be using.

I do use a ton of adobe software but I play games more often then that. Not to say I want my Photoshop/Lightroom to be sluggish.
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August 13, 2013 4:33:40 PM

i5-4670K vs i7-4770K

You can probably expect about 25% improvement in rendering time for fully threaded applications like HANDBRAKE. When I convert video with Handbrake I get 100% usage of all EIGHT threads in my i7-3770K.
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August 13, 2013 4:40:35 PM

photonboy said:
i5-4670K vs i7-4770K

You can probably expect about 25% improvement in rendering time for fully threaded applications like HANDBRAKE. When I convert video with Handbrake I get 100% usage of all EIGHT threads in my i7-3770K.

Oh? That helps me out some. I think the 3rd gen intel is pretty fantastic comepared to the 4th.
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August 13, 2013 4:43:54 PM

finalchance said:

I do use a ton of adobe software but I play games more often then that. Not to say I want my Photoshop/Lightroom to be sluggish.


It's not as if they would be sluggish with a i5 quad-core, but yeah some Adobe software might benefit hyper-threading so i7 might be good for you. It's just that threads don't have the same impact as physical cores, so don't expect a i7 to run like if it was a 8-cores or something.
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August 13, 2013 5:00:41 PM

finalchance said:
photonboy said:
i5-4670K vs i7-4770K

You can probably expect about 25% improvement in rendering time for fully threaded applications like HANDBRAKE. When I convert video with Handbrake I get 100% usage of all EIGHT threads in my i7-3770K.

Oh? That helps me out some. I think the 3rd gen intel is pretty fantastic comepared to the 4th.


4th gen is about 10% better, the guy was simply stating his personal experiences :p 
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August 14, 2013 3:43:24 AM

ps3hacker12 said:
The 7970 and the GTX770 are comparable when it comes to gaming, IMO get whatever is cheaper :)  :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


MC_K7 said:
finalchance said:

I do use a ton of adobe software but I play games more often then that. Not to say I want my Photoshop/Lightroom to be sluggish.


It's not as if they would be sluggish with a i5 quad-core, but yeah some Adobe software might benefit hyper-threading so i7 might be good for you. It's just that threads don't have the same impact as physical cores, so don't expect a i7 to run like if it was a 8-cores or something.


I just wanted to make one last note for you finalchance! Reason I went with the particular AMD side of things was exactly because of what he mentioned above. Your Photoshop would benefit from more cores so that 8350 8 core chip would do some justice. On top of Win8 being way better optimized for AMD chips as apposed to Win7. Making the 8350 to perform roughly the same as the i5 3570 on most games (a couple it performed better of course). Plus that Radeoan 7970 in a review right here on tomshardware which I cannot find at the moment showed the 7970 outperforming the GTX 680, 690 and Titan pretty significantly in compute power.

Note it was only slightly ahead the 690 (the GTX cards showed a latency issue that the Radeon showed during gaming). Another note the recent Catalyst driver released fixed the Radeon latency issue during gaming pretty much making it one of the best cards on the market for both gaming and your editing and rendering needs on the market. Also note that the Titan failed over a driver issue so it couldn't be tested at all in CS6. Anyhow this is why I chose that first build for you at the time.

ALthough if you're anything like me and that new shadowplay feature mentioned by photonboy is of great interest to you then stick with the GTX 770 by all means LOL! I just wanted to point the reason I gave you that AMD build in the first place. I am no a fanboy of any product I choose things based on where I want to perform and how. I figured you may have wanted to know the meaning behind the madness LOL if it seemed that way. Anyhow I am glad you liked the Intel build with the GTX 770. I hope you love it and remember options are out there even if it means putting that 8350 with the GTX 770. So you get the best of 8 cores and that shadow play LOL! :bounce: 
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August 14, 2013 12:47:32 PM

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The Kasafist said:
ps3hacker12 said:
The 7970 and the GTX770 are comparable when it comes to gaming, IMO get whatever is cheaper :)  :
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/768?vs=829


MC_K7 said:
finalchance said:

I do use a ton of adobe software but I play games more often then that. Not to say I want my Photoshop/Lightroom to be sluggish.


It's not as if they would be sluggish with a i5 quad-core, but yeah some Adobe software might benefit hyper-threading so i7 might be good for you. It's just that threads don't have the same impact as physical cores, so don't expect a i7 to run like if it was a 8-cores or something.


I just wanted to make one last note for you finalchance! Reason I went with the particular AMD side of things was exactly because of what he mentioned above. Your Photoshop would benefit from more cores so that 8350 8 core chip would do some justice. On top of Win8 being way better optimized for AMD chips as apposed to Win7. Making the 8350 to perform roughly the same as the i5 3570 on most games (a couple it performed better of course). Plus that Radeoan 7970 in a review right here on tomshardware which I cannot find at the moment showed the 7970 outperforming the GTX 680, 690 and Titan pretty significantly in compute power.

Note it was only slightly ahead the 690 (the GTX cards showed a latency issue that the Radeon showed during gaming). Another note the recent Catalyst driver released fixed the Radeon latency issue during gaming pretty much making it one of the best cards on the market for both gaming and your editing and rendering needs on the market. Also note that the Titan failed over a driver issue so it couldn't be tested at all in CS6. Anyhow this is why I chose that first build for you at the time.

ALthough if you're anything like me and that new shadowplay feature mentioned by photonboy is of great interest to you then stick with the GTX 770 by all means LOL! I just wanted to point the reason I gave you that AMD build in the first place. I am no a fanboy of any product I choose things based on where I want to perform and how. I figured you may have wanted to know the meaning behind the madness LOL if it seemed that way. Anyhow I am glad you liked the Intel build with the GTX 770. I hope you love it and remember options are out there even if it means putting that 8350 with the GTX 770. So you get the best of 8 cores and that shadow play LOL! :bounce: 


Ah ok. That leaves me a little more to consider then. Shadow play does seem like a nice perk. I think the GTX 770 with 4gb is a solid card for me. I think a change from AMD to Nvidia would be a fun thing to do.
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August 14, 2013 5:53:00 PM

finalchance said:
photonboy said:
i5-4670K vs i7-4770K

You can probably expect about 25% improvement in rendering time for fully threaded applications like HANDBRAKE. When I convert video with Handbrake I get 100% usage of all EIGHT threads in my i7-3770K.

Oh? That helps me out some. I think the 3rd gen intel is pretty fantastic comepared to the 4th.


There's little difference, but the 4th is slightly better. Unless the price difference is significant I see no great reason not to go with an i7-4770K in your case. Go ahead and check the benchmarks.
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August 16, 2013 4:27:52 PM

ps3hacker12 said:
Direct comparision between the 3770k and the 4770k:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/551?vs=836

the 4770k is about 10% better accross the board.

I wonder if that 10% is noticeable in real situations or not. Just to justify the price difference and all.
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