Building My First Gaming Rig (FPS)

aloudasian

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First of all I would like to thank this forum for being awesome! I've been lurking for quite a while now.:D


Anyways, I'm currently selling my gaming laptop (MSI GE60 0NC-262US) and looking into building a gaming rig. I would use the computer for PC gaming as well as some school stuff.


Approximate Purchase Date: Before the end of the month

Budget Range: $1000 to $1400 After shipping. My overall goal is to have a gaming laptop and something portable (ultrabook) to use for school with a total cost between $1500 to $1900

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming > basically everything else

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg or any other seller that does not seem sketchy. Most of my links are to Newegg, but if anyone knows of a cheaper price somewhere else please let me know

Location: Madison, WI USA

Parts Preferences: I have no preference for AMD, Intel, or Nvida. 

Overclocking: Likely in the future

SLI or Crossfire: Possibly in the future

Your Monitor Resolution: 1080p

Additional Comments: As far as gaming goes, I'm a FPS fan and would like to switch from console FPS to PC. I was a huge fan of BF3 and played it competitively on the Xbox and would like to play BF4. I would like to play on Ultra or Maxed settings on BF4 but seeing as the requirements are not out yet I understand it is difficult to guess a setup that will fit the bill.


And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: To join the glorious master race


Here's what I have in mind as of right now


CPU: i5 3570K
Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo
Mobo: ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB DDR3 1600
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 2.5 inch SSD + Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 3.5 inch HDD
Video Card: Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon HD 7970 GHz 3GB
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower
PSU: Corsair Builder Series CX600 600W
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST
OS: Windows 8 64 bit
Monitor: ASUS VS248H-P 24 inch 1080p
Keyboard: MS SideWinder X4


I welcome any suggestions about this potential build, and I have some specific questions regarding the parts of the build.

First of all, I have considered an AMD CPU, esepcially the FX-8350. I understand it does not perform as well as the 3570k but at a lower price as well. However, is it possible that we will see an increase in the performance of the FX-8350 in the future, seeing as how next gen consoles both have 8 core APUs, therefor possibly forcing developers to utilize more cores for better performance.

Secondly, I have heard both good things and bad things about the ASRock Extreme 4 (mostly good). I have read about CrossFire issues with the ASRock Extreme 4 and the Vapor-X 7970 Ghz since it is such a huge card. If I do decide to go with the 7970 Ghz, it is possible that I will attempt a CrossFire configuration in the future. I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with Vapor-X cards and the ASRock Extreme 4 Mobo

Thirdly, I wonder if the CM Hyper 212 Evo will be enough. From what I've read it is more than sufficient, but how will it perform if I decide to OC or go CrossFire?

Finally, the GPU. I've done a ton of research, eventually narrowing my choices to the GTX 760, GTX 770, GTX 670, HD 7970, and HD 7970 Ghz. I chose the 7970 Ghz because of its attractive pricing at the moment and its game bundle, combined with solid reviews on the Vapor-X version, as well as AMD's partnership with Battlefield 4. I was hesitant at first due to the issues I've read about regarding CrossFire, but the recent release of the Catalyst 13.8 Beta drivers seems to significantly improve the performance of CrossFire configurations with frame pacing. Regardless, I am still very interested in the other options. From what I understand the 7970 is exactly the same as the 7970 Ghz, only that it does not OC as well and runs hotter (not as good of a cooler), the GTX 670 being similar and slightly better in performance than the GTX 760, and the GTX 770 being better than all the cards on my list (is that true?). I am not seriously considering the GTX 760 because I have doubts that it will be able to run BF4 on Ultra or Maxed settings at 1080p, and I have small reservations about the GTX 670 and 770 due to the fear that 2GB of VRAM will not be sufficient (the 4GB versions are slightly beyond my budget). I have read on some threads that some current games are already reaching 2GBs, and it may be possible (although unlikely) that I will upgrade to a higher res display or a multi-monitor setup. I would really appreciate some input regarding the different cards.

Other than that, I don't think I have any problems with the rest of my build. I chose the case because it looks amazing (I am a Wisconsin Badger) but it's kind of expensive, let me know if you have a cool case in mind. I think the PSU should be sufficient, I don't know a lot about the SideWinder X4 and how it compares to mechanical keyboards (Razer Blackwidow or CM Storm) and was hoping someone can offer some reviews. I plan to only throw the OS on the SSD so if anyone has a smaller and cheaper SSD please let me know. I've read good reviews about the ASUS monitor, but if anyone has a suggestion for a solid monitor for FPS please comment. I already have a mouse (Logitech G500). Also, if anybody has a notebook/ultrabook in mind that you think would be a great fit for college and fit within the budget I described, please let me know!


That was probably a lot to read but I'm really hoping to get some advice. Thanks for taking the time!


-Mike
 

kirilmatthew

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Check this build out: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kirilmatt/saved/22JV
I know its a bit out of your budget, but you could go down to a 770 or a 7970 if you want. In fact you could Probably go for the 7990 for under $700 if you really wanted the best AMD. Battlefield 4 will almost certainly be optimized for the FX, just like many games probably will soon. The i5 is a better gaming CPU right now, but the FX has more potential. Remember that the radeon 9790 is coming out very soon and should rival the 780 but be cheaper. I'd wait for that for sure, its just around the corner. In any case let me know what you think and best of luck!
 

Marcopolo123

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Sapphire hd 7970 sells for ~290$, awesome deal.
For 1080p i would not go further then hd 7970/gtx 770,

Get I5-4670k, much better now and in future.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VX238H 23.0" Monitor ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1389.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-13 19:49 EDT-0400)

That asus monitor is very good.

Awesome combo: would definitly stick with it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1413998


And have a look at nzxt 530 case, not released yet, but soon , nice p/p and also looks awesome!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146105


~ 500$ left for laptop


 

ps3hacker12

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Here you go:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($90.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom (White) ATX Full Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.88 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" Monitor ($134.02 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($19.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1281.79
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-13 19:53 EDT-0400)

Ive chosen a nice IPS monitor there.
A nice SLI/Crossfire capable board.
A quiet cooler that can get better OCing than a 212 EVO.
A semi-modular PSU.
Same great SSD as you chose.

Before someone says the 7970 isnt good for crossfiring, AMD fixed those issues in their 12.9 driver release :) :
http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=883&sel_lang=english

The rig is ready for if you decide to drop in a second 7970 and add 2 more monitors to have a 3 monitor setup maybe :D

getting a bit carried away with the 3 monitor setup thing there sorry :p .
 
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The i5-4670k is the highest performance gaming processor out there, while also having a lower power usage than the fx series and produces less heat:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/837?vs=698
 

aloudasian

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Thanks a lot ps3hacker12, the build looks really intriguing. I've heard the 4670k runs hot but I guess the water cooler will be well equipped to deal with that sort of thing, correct me if I'm wrong.
Otherwise, my biggest question about the build is the HD7970 GPU, I understand the 7970 and the 7970GHz editions are identical, but performance wise are they similar? Also, how well does the 7970 OC when compared to a 7970 GHz?

Thanks a lot everyone, very informative!

Also, what is the difference between a modular and a semi modular PSU?
 

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Its a common misconception that the 3570k runs hotter tha the 4670k, it actually generates slightly less heat and uses less power in reviews all while showing a 10%~ performance gain accross the board. And anyway, why not go for the latest and greatest if your spending so much? :)

Heres the difference between the 7970 and the 7970 Ghz edition:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/770?vs=768

an OCed 7970 would match the 7970 Ghz edition.

I chose the 7970 simply because it was the best value GPU for your budget.

To be honest, the difference between Semi-Modular and Fully Modular is only the 24-pin ATX, the 8-pin CPU header are non-removeable which you need anyway.
 

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the Fractal Design Define R4 is a feature packed case, but is designed to look simplistic :)
 

aloudasian

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but how does a OCd 7970 compare to a OCd 7970Ghz heat wise?
 

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From what ive read and heard, the Ghz edtion can OC slightly higher, but its really only a 20Mhz difference, when OCed, they produce about the same amount of heat.
 

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Thanks marcopolo for confirming, so from that thread, they produce the same heat, use the same power, just the Ghz edition comes pre overclocked. But as one member on that thread said:
The 7970 can be turned into a GHZ Edition with a simple BIOS flash.
 

aloudasian

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wow that seems almost absurd.

I looked at some temps and they had the 7970 at lower 70s under load and the Ghz at lower 60s. I'm not too familiar with GPU temps but a difference of 10 degrees seem significant
 

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In my opinion, if you are in the United States, the only websites you really want to buy from are Newegg and Amazon. They have the best deals, and are known for their "High-Quality" service. Anyway, this build is right in your price range but doesn't include your monitor or keyboard. If you need to cut this build down a little, I would recommend changing the GPU to a regular 7970, or even a 680 which you should find for just under $300. And, either lowering the capacity of the SSD boot drive or ridding it completely. I found you an AMAZING deal on a PSU, and the OS is Windows 7 Home Premium, as I got Windows 8, and it was the biggest mistake of my "technology life." Teh motherboard is highly recommended board, great for overclocking, and ready for SLI/Crossfire in the future. Also, the CPU cooler is one of the most popular air coolers, and provides better overclocking performance than some liquid coolers. This build should run current games and many games to come at Maximum, or on some games Ultra, settings while maintaining 60 FPS.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($134.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($374.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1317.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-13 22:00 EDT-0400)
 

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Does anyone know if the FX 8350 will work well with the 7970? I'm very interested in its potential. Also, since its TDP is much higher than that of the 3570k or the 4670k, what can I expect in terms of heat and efficiency from a FX 8350 compared to either of the Intel chips?
 

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Fx 8350 doesnt have any potential, it will be inferior compared to i5 forever.

 

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I second that! The 3570k is superior to ANY AMD processor gaming-wise, and probably will be for a long time. AMD isn't going anywhere, and their latest and best processor is way overkill for gaming. Stick with the i5, they have a better selection of motherboards as well.
 

Griffin832

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Also, if you're willing to pay $15 extra dollars on my build, go with the Extreme6 motherboard. It looks nicer, has front USB 3.0, has more SATA ports, and it's crossfire performs a lot better than the Extreme4.
 

aloudasian

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Thanks guys, anyone have a good cooling solution for the 4670k? I don't feel comfortable with a closed loop liquid solution like the CM Seidon 120M, it sounds like their performance is about on par with most air coolers and are much more dangerous when they do fail. Would the Evo 212 work well in the NZXT Phantom or the Fractal Design Define R4?
 

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an EVO 212 or 212 Plus should be great for overclocking a 4670k :)