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Which one is better future proofed for gaming?

AMD FX-8350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

Asus Crossair V Formula
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735R

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Intel i7 4770k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116901

MSI 787-G45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130693

With consoles having 8 cores will games be better optimized for AMD processors with 8 cores, or will a i7-4770k keep up? At the moment they are basically tied in gaming but that could change a year or 2 from now. Also I don't mind spending an extra $100 for intel even if it's not extraordinarily better so I don't need you you to tell me about that.

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Novuake

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Not a chance. The I5 3570K already beats the 8350 in most titles.
 
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i5 3570k can already kill FX8350 for most games.
i7 4770k is even faster than i5 3570k/i5 4670k but makes no real difference in most games.
Most games can not gain advantage over more cores or HT.
You need faster cores more then more cores/HTs.
I5 4670k and I7 4770k have faster cores than FX8350
How the future should look like, perhaps the games can gain more advantage with more cores.. ...well..I am no Psychic, I do not know.
I know only than Crysis 3 can gain some advantage on i7 4770k over i5 4670k.
 
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i cant watch the video atm, but all the comments underneath say stay away from amd on those games.
 
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they are talking about planetside 2 which is terrible on any system and not as bad as some of the people in the comments say, and star craft is no where as bad on it as the people make out.

just watch other videos comparing the fx 8350 and i5 3570k, they game pretty much identically and the i7 is not much different either.
 
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Basically, to reiterate, core i7's (sandy bridge, ivy bridge, and haswell) all beat AMD's 8-core offerings. I think that also holds true for AMD's new 5.0ghz one, too but don't quote me on that. Intel cores do more work per cycle and are more efficient to boot. If you are trying to "future proof" as much as possible, go the i7-4770k route.

If you want something a little cheaper (I know you said you'd be willing to spend that extra $100), then the fx 8350 is still a great cpu. The i5-4670k is a great alternative that trades blows with the 8350.
 
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I was confused by that video, I have a 7870 (which is the card he is using) with a intel core2 q6600 (6 year old processor) and I average higher on crysis 2 then the scores he put and i'm running at 1080p on ultra with hi res textures. If those were minimums then we did the same in which case a cpu makes 0% difference in gaming. Maybe I missed something he said though.

 
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That guys is the most retarded "reviewer" i have EVER seen, stop posting Youtube as a source, any lazy idiot can use Youtube to say any bull they want to.
 
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Mostly true, BUT if those apps are memory intensive, then Intel is STILL a better option as the AMD memory controller is 5 years old.
 
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Dual-core intel can run better than AMD 8-core CPU.. Intel is just 1000 times better quality and speed.. that's why they are expensive as hell... but it was always worth of it! I'd never buy an AMD cpu again.. Intel Pentium G550 was faster than Phenom II so yeah...
 
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OK now you are just trolling. Shhhh fanboy...
 
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lol shutup
 
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i am saying in a gaming sense they are mostly even within margins of tolerance, yeah in other scenarios the intels do have better performance but its still not massive for the price, also considering a lot of the software is not optimised to use the bulldozer modules efficiently.

so hes retarded because he is using a realistic setup that a lot of people would be using (ie mid range card with games running at max settings) and getting similar results from both processors? check his other videos also since he still gets similar results with a gtx 770 and there are other people who are getting the same results that in a gaming sense the fx8350 is not bad when compared to the intel processors, some of the guys even slated this guy to begin with playing games that a lot of people play until they done some of their own tests.

borderlands 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDqjlAK839g both vids from the guys who slated him to begin with.
bf3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2EcXrgJLY0
 
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He is retarded because of the inconsistencies in his testing methods.

Yes, the 8350 is a decent performer for the price, HOWEVER, there are a lot of nickpick issues with it. Microstuttering for one, extreme power usage, horrible memory controller, below par single core performance.

At its current price its a good buy, but STOP saying its BETTER. Its not.

I happen to be a big follower of AMD, and since Bulldozer I moved to Intel, why? Because I have eyes.
AMDs tech is behind in so many ways that they are pushing a GHz race again, and this time the IPC is NOT equal in either.

LET US JUST HOPE THAT STEAMROLLER does the job...

EDIT : Again, stop posting Youtube as a source.
 
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Personally i am waiting on kaveri with steamroller since my phenom II is tying me over nicely atm and is going to need new ram and motherboard anyway when i do upgrade, i did not once say the fx 8350 was better, i said its comparable and the performance is within margins of error in real game performance where the gpu is pushed hard, i even said in other situation the intels are better but when it comes to gaming and you want to save money the AMD is comparable for less.

and thats all not including future optimisations for the bulldozer architecture and multi processing with games optimised for the new generation of consoles.
 
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As long as AMDs IPC is behind, the highlighted will not happen. What people do not understand is that to write something for multiple threads or a specific architecture half the code lines need to be written manually or with a completely new, very few compilers can be used. At least not any ixisting compiler.

So multicore gaming in mainstream is a VERY long way off. So I do not see any "optimization because of console" any time soon.

NOT TO MENTION, since when in the world have consoles set a trend, EVER??
They have such a short viable lifespan, as a programmer, would you bother to optimize for them if they only last a few years? Development cycles on games are YEARS in span.

Anyway, if you did not say it was better, then you should not be posting that retards youtube. Hes a clear fanboy or he has been payed off. Or hes just a bigger retard than I though.
 
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you have forgotten that the major factor with this generation of consoles which developers were harassing Microsoft and Sony about for years is the fact they are using x86 processors which the majority of software developers are more familiar with and are better able to extract performance from.

also it makes porting the code from the consoles to the pc easier for console ports and likewise so we should see better optimised games in general and optimisations for bulldozer.

also games would tend to be written to take advantage of fewer threads in general seeing that the xbox only had 3 cores and the majority of games are coded with the lowest common denominator due to the preference for big name games to be targeted at the console market.

you should check the guys other videos comparing the fx8350 to the intels using different gpu's even and the videos from the guys who slated that guy also to begin with, the performance is still comparable within the margins of error in real game performance.
 
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True, but its still conjecture. Anyway. FPS is there on the 8350. Wonder if FCAT will tell a different story.
 
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blt54321

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I don't think you really read what I said. I am talking about whether or not games will use hyper threading in the future, and I also said I don't care about spending an extra $100 on intel.
 
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The problem is that the chips in the console may be of the same arch but are specifically designed for those consoles and have features (such as the edRAM on the Xbox One) and as such means that any optimizations for them will not work for the PC. You also have to consider the proprietary APIs they tend to include for each console to run their OS and the game level APIs which will be different. They will be highly optimized but more than likely there will continue to be issues on both Intel/AMD/NVidia setups due to the nature of the PC; that is everyone has their own unique one.

Its great that it will be x86 which will make porting easier but most likely PCs will still have bugs and not perform as well. I mean they are both getting GPUs based on the HD6K VLIW4 arch and not GCN or GCN 2.0 or something better.

As for the OP, I would go Intel honestly. Right now AMD doesn't have a CPU I deem worthy unless you are in the super budget range or possibly a HTPC with a APU but even then if you can get one of Intels BGA based CPUs with the HD 5200 its a hard choice as well.
 
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PS3 and Xbox 360 were multicore, then came multicore PCs running multicore games...

PS4 and Xbone are 8 core APUs on steroids, and there are already games using 6-8 threads.

As a game developer, I think you should know...

UE4, CE3, Frostbite, and several other current gen engines that are just now finding their way into games are all multicore capable, and will use as many as 6-8 cores if you have them. Consoles will drive this faster, here's why:

Consoles are a static platform, no hardware inconsistencies at all. If you design a game for PS4, for example, you know EXACTLY what hardware is in every box that runs that game as a PS4 title. Now, when you go to port it back to PC, you have to accommodate for all kinds of hardware inconsistencies and driver differences, etc. However, now there are more quad core gaming PCs than dual cores, which is a pretty drastic shift from even 2 years ago.

This means that now hardware developers targeting the largest bracket of users are going to enhance the games they design to target that audience, as anyone can see the shift is going to more cores and higher clocks...not less cores. This means that while Intel will gain some from the optimizations for AMD hardware, AMD will gain more with their higher core counts.

 
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Well thanks for all the responses but i'm still somewhat confused considering everyone had opposite answers. At this point I'm thinking about the fx-8350 seeing as it seems better future proofed even though Intel's single core performance beats it. As long as it's a decent processor, which it is, it should be fine. Even if developers never take full advantage of it's 8 cores, but i's sure somewhere down the road they will.
 
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Maybe I will go intel just because it's faster now. That way I won't really lose anything, considering AMD is so much cheaper I could just upgrade in the future if they end up being better for gaming.

 
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