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another 'Are these compatible?' threads purchasing tonight.

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August 17, 2013 4:22:52 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1t7YP
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1t7YP/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1t7YP/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87 ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1390.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-17 19:16 EDT-0400)





*sorry for doubleposting a mod could delete the other thread*
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August 17, 2013 4:26:21 PM

Looks like a solid build
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August 17, 2013 4:26:43 PM

go with either asus z77 or the asrock z77 extreme 4
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August 17, 2013 4:54:04 PM

I assumed your not planning to OC with the processor you chose, but heres the same performance system with slightly different parts if your not OCing:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H87-G43 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1136.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-17 19:53 EDT-0400)

If you do plan to OC:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1236.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-17 19:56 EDT-0400)
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August 17, 2013 5:24:40 PM

I'd lose the MSI mobo, poor QC and support, might look to the Z77 Asus P8Z77-V LK, much better mobo...or the Rock's Z77 EX 4
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August 17, 2013 5:37:21 PM

Tradesman1 said:
I'd lose the MSI mobo, poor QC and support, might look to the Z77 Asus P8Z77-V LK, much better mobo...or the Rock's Z77 EX 4


Thanks much for the advice. I think I will lose the MSI then, it only had a 14$ savings when bundled with the GPU.

Is the GPU fine or should I switch to the 7970?

If anything else is wrong with my build please give me insight. I thought it was ready to buy but now I'm not sure. JackNaylorPE made this build and has 14.5k posts and almost tenure on the site so I figured his build would be solid but I am not for unrepuputable companies. I think my new mobo is the ASrock Z77 Ex 4
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August 17, 2013 5:40:24 PM

The GPU is fine, it performs the same as a 7970 so its really down to price really.
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August 17, 2013 5:45:46 PM

One last question about the CPU and sorry about so many but Tradesman1 posted a i5-4430 for 15$ cheaper than my i5-3470

The 4430 looks better but it's cheaper? and which do I buy?

I was also thinking of switching the GPU since you said the 770 and 7970 are same performance wise because the 7970 is 110$ cheaper. Will the 7970 fit with my build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1t9K6

I'll give you the solution pick after this final post. Thanks so much man.

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August 17, 2013 5:55:29 PM

Why are you buying a Z77 if you are buying a processor that can't be overclocked?

the 4430 is a haswell based (newer) processor than the 3470, so if your not overclocking, i would reccommend the haswell processor.

Haswell introduced a new socket (LGA1150) and many new chipsets too.

The 7970 would fit in your build easily :) 
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August 17, 2013 5:59:10 PM

It was suggested? I'm going off strictly what I'm being told on the forums.

What mobo should I get if not a z77?

I'm not overclocking so I'll get the cheaper 4430, and the 7970.

I keep thinking of new questions, I'm sorry. but difference between the Corsair RAM and the Patriot? It's considerably cheaper and if the performance is the same, why not.

edit: on pcpartpicker it said the z77 and 4430 is incompatible. just noticed the socket size was wrong. There is another extreme 4 with the correct socket size, but are they for overclocking? I need a good mobo that doesn't overclock and will last me a couple years.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ta75

and sorry I didn't give you the best solution yet. I didn't expect to run into another problem.
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August 17, 2013 6:08:27 PM

get a z87 chipset of course, go Asus since you will not be OCing
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August 17, 2013 6:08:33 PM

If you go the 4430 could go with the H87 mobos, like the Asus H87M-PLUS/CSM, $100, and will support your video card
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August 17, 2013 6:14:32 PM

z87 or h87?

If I'm to get a h87 will it support new games, dual monitors and last a couple years at least?

So z87s are for overclocking, but h87s has a limited number of ports and headers, limits your type of ram and sometimes a weird layout. Do I get a z87? Is it necessary? I'm cheap.. but I'm not that cheap, I want the chip to last.

Could someone suggest a z87? I'm looking at Asus z87s but the Tom's pick is 200$ and that's a bit steep for a mobo. Hoping to keep it near 150 if possible..

and I hope this goes without saying but thank you to everyone for your help. Besides my car this is my first 1k+ purchase so I'm trying to be very meticulous.
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August 17, 2013 6:31:32 PM

Yes on the H87 if not OCing, dual monitor is always fine, that's the video card and the 7970 can support 2 with no problem
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August 17, 2013 6:43:53 PM

Posting for approval, the real final build.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1taTt
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1taTt/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1taTt/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus H87M-Plus/CSM Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1220.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-17 21:42 EDT-0400)
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a b 4 Gaming
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August 18, 2013 4:43:33 AM

Everything there looks great, apart from the mobo, If your going for such a large case go for atleast an ATX mobo.

But a mATX mobo will also work just fine, its just that it'll be a bit small inside such a huge case.
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August 18, 2013 11:05:58 AM

Could someone find me a mATX case with good cooling? I am going to stick with the h87 4430

I've gravitated toward the Fractal Design Define Mini Black Micro ATX Silent PC Computer Case w/ USB 3.0 support and 2 x 120mm Fractal Design Silent Fans. 90$

Could I find something cheaper with the same performance?
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August 18, 2013 11:44:23 AM

probably the third time I said it but I hope it's the last, my final build. If theres anything wrong, let me know.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tppf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tppf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tppf/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus H87M-Plus/CSM Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($65.00 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: Acer S241HL bmid 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1260.35
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 14:43 EDT-0400)

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August 18, 2013 12:00:38 PM

Okay, that'll never work...........just kidding, looks good ;) 
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August 18, 2013 1:31:26 PM

Only possible thing that i can think of is clearance for that CPU cooler, but I think there is enough clearance in that case :)  so you should be fine.
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August 18, 2013 1:34:00 PM

The cooler is no problem, the EVO has adjustable fans so can simply be placed slightly higher
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August 18, 2013 8:04:40 PM

I looked up the cases specs and it looks like everything will fit, but it says I'll have to remove the HDD-bay. So will I have enough space for a HDD and SSD with maybe removing this HDD-bay? I'm already committed to this build but I'm curious.

Supports graphic cards with lengths up to ca 260mm when removable HDD-bay is in place
Supports graphic cards with lengths up to ca 400mm when HDD-bay is removed

GPU - 11.02" (279.91 mm) x 4.72" (119.89 mm) x 1.57" (39.878 mm)
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August 19, 2013 7:03:39 AM

Even if you do need to remove a HDD bay, you will still have space for up to 5 HDDs or SSDs and 1 external slot if thats needed.
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