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Hey all. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tfYv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tfYv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tfYv/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($119.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.08 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Corsair Force Series GT 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($226.48 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Zalman MS800 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B3ST/BLK/G/AS DVD/CD Writer ($25.64 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1106.13
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 02:23 EDT-0400)
 
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Okay if you have not done SLI or Crossfire before then you should probably not go with it. The pros and cons are :

+ Much Powerful for cheaper price
+ Ideal for Multi Monitor Set ups
+ Good for gaming at resolutions above 1080p

- Much higher power consumption
- The GPU's can get heated, especially the lower one.
- Can be noisy at times (depends on the card)
- Sometimes there can be issues like Micro Stuttering, Skipped Frames, etc. Google those terms if you want to know in detail

But I would suggest you to learn overclocking. It is essentially a good thing. You can get the performance that no CPU currently offers by overclocking, so get the 4670k + Z87 board and then step towards overclocking.

So, the build I suggest for you...
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Change the MOBO to Z77-LK so you have support for SLI in the future :)
 
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Thanks for the mobo advice. I actually already have a 6970 in another computer, would it be wise to buy another and put them in crossfire?



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Sorry I didn't copy all of it, here it is: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kirilmatt/saved/2cej
 
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Looks good to me. The only thing's missing is the OS.
 
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The OP didn't include one in his build, that's why I didn't in mine
 
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Well.. for the price nothing beats this :

+ 4th Gen Haswell CPU which has better Single Threaded Performance which matters in games
+ Good SSD + 1TB HDD which is more than enough for 95% of guys
+ 7970 is much better than the 760 and is on the same level as the Nvidia 770.
+ Noctua NH-D14 is the king of air coolers.
+ I would personally prefer the Corsair 500R over the Zalman case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($120.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Mushkin Chronos 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $1131.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 04:22 EDT-0400)

Take a look at this build and tell me what you think about it. Your feedback would be highly appreciated.
 
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Your build isn't bad, but the two 760s in my build destroy the 7970
 
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But there are quite a lot of differences and compromises in your build.

1. 8320 < 4670K (It is a fact.). Had it been a 8350, I would not complain much (still 4670K has better single threaded performance)

2. The 8320 has a much higher overclocking potential but that build just has a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus which is not so good for overclocking highly. Only a few hundred megahertz overclock possible. And it is also no match for the Noctua NH-D14

3. No SSD, I know it does not matter that much for gaming, but it matters quite a lot when it comes to system overall snappiness and appeal. Also it helps with the level load times, helpful in games like Minecraft, etc

4. I have personally never heard of that case. It is possible that it might be better but I would never a case from brand like "Apevia". The Corsair would be the one for me. I would not take risk with case of a 1000+ dollar build. It is quite important.

The comparison between 8230 and 4670K

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Note : I did not even looked at your build, I just looked at the build he was going for and suggested you one of them.

If I were to cheap out on these things, then I would be able to cramp in the 780 but that is not done.

This was not at all for mocking purpose. It was just meant for informational purpose. Don't take anything on yourself. It is meant for the general audience.
 
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You have a lot of points in your post so I'll try to address them. First off I agree that the i5 is better, but it costs a lot more, the FX is only $145, leaving room for a better GPU, that my build included. You cannot argue that, as they stand right now, my build would have better gaming performance. Second, I also agree, but you have to remember that there is a budget. Sure, its best to get a better cooler, but that could be another upgrade. Its best to get the best main components. Third thing is that while SSDs are nice, they cost a lot of money. Its better, for baking, to invest that money elsewhere. It could also be a future upgrade. Fourth thing is the case. You are possibly right about this, I am not an expert on cases. So I have no idea.
 
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1. The 8320 at stock speeds would probably bottleneck the 760 since it does not have enough Single Threaded Performance to push two GPU's at the same time.

2. You need at least 4.5-4.6 Ghz for removing bottlenecks and the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus is not capable enough of going even close to that.

3. Agree that 8320 is like 60 bucks cheaper but we are talking about the overall price of the build and not a particular component.

4. It would sure have better gaming performance but there is no noticable difference when gaming in 1080p.

5. You cannot add any other extra card ever in the future and that would hinder the upgradibilty.

6. Well.. that opinion about the SSD's vary from person to person. I would say if the budget is more than 1000 dollars then a build should definitely have a SSD.

A build should not be having things way too much good on one side and things cheapen out on the other side. One should not create bottlenecks.
 
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I don't think that the build will bottleneck much. In a couple games it may, such as skyrim. I don't think you need such a high OC. The FX 8350 doesn't significantly bottleneck CF/SLI builds, why would this? The reason I mentioned cost is because that's why I selected it. I used the savings to put more money on the GPU. As for no noticeable performance I disagree. Sure, most current games maybe not, but games coming out soon will push that, and some currently do. Not only that, but it gives you the option of multi-monitor gaming. You can also add a third card in SLI if you want, that is an option for later. I think for gaming an SSD should only be in a build over $1500, but as you said, opinions vary.
 
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Well.. let's wait for the OP to come and answer these questions. Then only we would take it further :

So OP, if yo are reading this then please be sure to answer these questions

1. Do you overclock?
2. Are you fine with dual GPU's?
3. Do you need a SSD?

The OP's opinion would decide what to plan or not. Let's see what the OP needs. Till then let's leave this thread as it is and let the OP answer these. We need this bit of information.

We are wasting time on discussion our opinions. They surely do not match up, so let's just see what the OP needs.
 
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Nerd wars.

But honestly, i do not reccommend dual GPU setups, I do reccommend ivy bridge or haswell over the FX lineup anyway (especially for $1000+ gaming systems).

Also another reccommendation :p
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme 81.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $971.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 11:33 EDT-0400)
 
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^ We are not fighting. Don't say things like "Nerd Wars." to make yourself look smart. It doesn't.

As for your build. It looks good, similar to the build I posted except the CPU Cooler and Motherboard and without SSD.

1. The motherboard is not a good overclocker.
2. No SSD.
 
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First let me say that I very much appreciate all the discussion and input. Never would have expected so much help! Thanks!

As for these questions:

1. Do you overclock? -- I am not opposed to it, but I've never really done it before.
2. Are you fine with dual GPU's? -- Again, I am not opposed to them, but not quite sure of the pros/cons.
3. Do you need a SSD? -- I consider an SSD a luxury that is less important than gaming performance.
 
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Based on your answers I think my build will suit you best. It is OCable, but not extremely so. In other words its an option, but you're not wasting money on something you may not use and it has the best gaming performance of all the builds with the two 760s.
 
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In that case:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $886.39
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 14:06 EDT-0400)
 
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Okay if you have not done SLI or Crossfire before then you should probably not go with it. The pros and cons are :

+ Much Powerful for cheaper price
+ Ideal for Multi Monitor Set ups
+ Good for gaming at resolutions above 1080p

- Much higher power consumption
- The GPU's can get heated, especially the lower one.
- Can be noisy at times (depends on the card)
- Sometimes there can be issues like Micro Stuttering, Skipped Frames, etc. Google those terms if you want to know in detail

But I would suggest you to learn overclocking. It is essentially a good thing. You can get the performance that no CPU currently offers by overclocking, so get the 4670k + Z87 board and then step towards overclocking.

So, the build I suggest for you is :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($120.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $966.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 14:21 EDT-0400)

I hope this helps.
 
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The Corsair 200R is said to have HDD heating issues as stated in the review by Anandtech, so I would stay far away from that Case.

Unfortunately things start to fall apart when we get to the drive cage. I hate to nitpick on a single issue like this, but the pursuit of a toolless design has resulted in what could conceivably become a serious hot spot. We're talking about an SSD reaching temperatures of close to 40C in a mid tower; that's within spec, but what happens when you start adding more drives? The cage traps heat, is staggeringly difficult to use, and is even actually a little fragile.

If you're just planning on putting a single drive in and calling it a day, the Corsair Carbide 200R potentially has a lot to offer a frugal user. While Corsair's next case up, the 300R, is notably louder than the 200R, it also offers substantially better performance and doesn't have a glaring weakness (outside of noise) like the 200R's design does. Users in an extreme pinch would probably be well served by the 200R, but I think I'd still recommend tracking down a BitFenix Merc Alpha or Merc Beta instead. Those enclosures are cheaper still, but offer more well rounded performance.
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So at least go for the 500R . It is the best of the Carbide Series.
 
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Also if you want to go dual GPU's then this is better than two 760's

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.49 @ Amazon)
Total: $1196.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 14:36 EDT-0400)
 
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