Nobody will ever just agree! Pc builds

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

I have a new Theramaltake gt 10 on the way and I've been all around the Internet researching cases, mobos, CPU, etc and every site or forum I look to , all end up disagreeing with a suggestion build, or components..

I never see 2 people agree on a build or pc part ever. At first this bothered me, but after almost pulling my hair out trying to decide what to get I came to the conclusion that although everyone's opinion does matter it's all personal preference..

One guy says this case is bad for this or that. Then I see a guy with all the things the other guy said where bad and not to do with a build running perfectly fine and looking awesome..

When it comes to components not working with others, that's a different story..

Just want to clarify that opinions do matter and help, but for a beginner or just some indecisive person out there it is extremely over whelming to not see not one person agree with another build or part

DarkSable · Aug 18, 2013

Ahh, see, that's very true.

A lot of it comes from confirmation bias - people have a weird need to validate their choices by convincing others to make the same choices.

A lot of it also comes from personal experience; for example, I never recommend the Gigabyte brand, because I've had several horrible run-ins with their customer service.

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

With computer parts there three main level of parts. Entry level or cheap. Mid level and extreme or high end. the issue is a lot of these parts over lap each other. And at some price points there no more add value to get more performance. You see ths with intel i5 4760k and the i7 4770k both base clocks are the same and in games with a good gpu your going to get the same frame rate. The other parts are like the 770/780 video cards. The 770 is only 10 to 15 percent slower then the 780. But is priced better. If making a high end gaming rig a 770 sli system would be a good set up.
Gaming cases the best value right now is the r300 that at 50 price point.
The newer r400 right next to it for value. At 100 there are a lot of cases. The white nxzt cases are good. There also the new Thor cases.
Anything over 150 in cases would be extreme and your over paying.
Most case fans run you 15 online if you want LEDs. There also led strips and nxzt halo units that are under 30 to add glowing color to cases.
In a build the power supply,CPU,gpu need the biggest build dollars.

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

Still , pc builds nowadays have so many options plus to the average beginner we are confused by the name on the box like, "intel super cool gpu crossfire 1155 hi five with sata3 ultimate level 10" ... Lol..

I am pretty much just taking this whole build slowly.. I have down what I want, but that does not mean I'm going to buy it all.. I made a list of the best items ( because I do want a really good PC) , at least what I think are the best and will carefully go down the list when it's time to buy to make sure I am buying something worth it or to get something a little cheaper that does the same thing. So I'll throw my list up so someone can crap on it

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

Thermal take gt 10 ( white) - $250 - bought August 17th from NewEgg.com

CPU - intel i7-3770k - 3.5 ghrz quad core - $350
Cooling fan- H100i -$110

Motherboard- MSI Z87 MPOWER MAX-$250
- ASUS MAXIMUS V Extreme- $400

Gpu- GeForce Gtx 690- $ 1000
~ Gtx 680-$480

Sound card- ASUS Xonar Essence STX $177. ** sound cards are optional. Some mother boards come with sound options. Reason only to get - high quality sound options

Optics- Pioneer Electronics USA 15x SATA Internal BD/DVD/CD Burner with 4 MB Buffer BDR-208DBK. $ 60

Memory- corsair vengeance -$120 (16gb) 2x8

Hard drive - Samsung 840 evo - $600

*** BE SURE AND GET HDD AND OPTICAL DRIVES IN SATA***
*** don't put your pump above the reservoir** ( water cooling)

Power supply- thermal take 850w ATX power supply .-$. 140

Anything with an asterisk may be a " dummy" thing but I figure ill write down any advice , stupid or not, just to make sure I don't make too many mistakes

DarkSable · Aug 18, 2013

Oh good god. Okay, I'll come back to this later, but you're making so many mistakes it's not even funny. It looks like you just found the most expensive parts and put them in your list.

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

Haha.. Yeah you must not of read what I wrote.. I said, I put up the best parts but when I'm ready to buy the motherboard for example... I'll research and make sure I don't go all out when I can get something cheaper that gives me what I want..

I just need a starting point sort of... This list isn't set in stone or anything.. But I do want a machine that can run games on ultra, music software and hardware I can link up to it.. Video editing , rendering etc.. I need a good PC my dude

DarkSable · Aug 18, 2013

That's fine, but you need to do more research. For example, you have an LGA 1155 CPU and an LGA 1150 motherboard - they aren't compatible.

Your GPU option is decent, but the second one is horrible - the 680 gets it's rear end handed to it by the $400 770.

The sound card... you don't need a sound card - ALL motherboards come with an onboard sound card. The only reason you would use one is if you're connecting it to a very high end stereo setup and even then, HDMI to the receiver is a better option.

That's a bad pick on the power supply - it's unreliable and way more than you need. Go with either the Seasonic bronze 620w power supply or their X-650, which is one of the best PSUs ever made.

As for the hard drive, give me a break. Buy a 128GB SSD for windows and programs, and spend $100 on a 2TB western digital. Remember that most games and data get absolutely no benefit from being on an SSD, and there are huge advantages to having a boot drive anyways. This costs a fraction of the price of that huge SSD, gives you way more storage, and loses nothing.

That optical drive is just silly and will perform no better than a $20 one.

The case is a waste of money, but you've already bought it, so that's fine. As for the other things, cooling I disagree with highly and you would be very hard pressed to buy an optical drive or data storage that wasn't SATA any more, but that's fine.

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

My girl is dying laughing over here.. Okay good, well I'm here for this reason. If its not compatible then I'll change it.. If its a bad choice ill go back and look again.. So next up to buy is MOBO and GPU.. 770? You say.. I saw that today but its hard to do things with 3 kids sometimes.

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ttsu
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ttsu/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1ttsu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($128.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.45 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card ($649.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2-W ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1918.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 17:40 EDT-0400)

DarkSable · Aug 18, 2013

May I suggest that you give us your budget, and exact needs?

We completely understand what it's like to be busy and unable to do hours of research; why not rely on those of us who have already done that research?

There's a great form here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/353572-31-build-upgrade-advice. I highly suggest you fill it out and make this easy on yourself; we can figure out the best options for your price range and performance needs.

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

That's like 700 dollars cheaper... Thanks... And this will run games on high settings no problems..

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

That was a higH end system if you need to cut cost use a 4760k CPU and 770 video card. Good price case r300. Drop down to 840 Ssd 128 g drive for 90. Drop the ram to eight g. The blueray drive only used if your going to watch blueray movies on your pc or need larger backup DVD disks.

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

Well I'm pretty much able to go as high as $3000.. I want to run any game on ultra with a breeze no sweat.. Have a mini studio on the rise for music. Want to run pro tools and hook up instruments . Getting into modding and rendering so I need to have a system that can hang with all that.. Plus movies.

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tueJ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tueJ/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tueJ/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110 94.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($128.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($85.45 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($405.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1488.28
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 18:25 EDT-0400)

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

Went with stock black case and smaller Ssd if think 128g fit all your aps. The 770 only slightly slower then the 780. Two 770 Would be a killer gaming rig. As you posted you have kids are they fighting for the gaming pc?? If they are you could build two 1500 gaming systems.

smorizio · Aug 18, 2013

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tuM4
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tuM4/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1tuM4/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1206.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-18 18:38 EDT-0400)

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

No my kids are not fighting over this PC.. My oldest is 4 about to be 5.. That said he is a very good gamer.. He plays minecraft, arkum city, all Lego games, crackdown, and on my Mac he seriously plays modern combat like he's 16 years old.. He's very good and its seriously awesome because I am a huge gamer and my dad and I used to play tenchu and those were some good memories.. Let me stop cuz my inner dad and son love will blab on...

This PC is just for me.. My kids have all 3 current gen consoles an iMac and both next gen systems on per order.. So this is for dad...

KaseSensitive · Aug 18, 2013

So my case is crap.. All reviews give it great praise

DarkSable · Aug 18, 2013

Oh no. Don't get me wrong, it's a great case... it's just that it costs $250 and doesn't really give that much that a $120 case wouldn't.

KaseSensitive · Aug 19, 2013

Whatever mobo I look at there's always people that have some pretty serious problems.. They talk about updating bios and the actual updates causing problems. I'm feeling nervous.. If my luck could be translated to represent a solid object it would be SHIT..

I'm going in this all alone and will have to take advice from people that aren't actually watching over me.. It's scarey knowing I could run into a problem that I might not be able to explain or a fix that I might not know how to apply correctly.. This is stressful

smorizio · Aug 19, 2013

Mb Vendors do drop on there newer mb bios code updates do to newer CPU and ram chips that drop and bug fixes. Most new motherboards have efi bios,inside those bios is an updating tool. Just copy the new bios file to USB stick and run it. Asus mb some have a USB updater built into the mb. Put the USB stick In and press a button on the mb and your done.

KaseSensitive · Aug 19, 2013

So 2 770s would be awesome for running my games on high settings. I don't get why multiple GPU... Does one pick up lag in the other or something..

Sabertooth is a no go? It's an 1155 that matches the cpu.. Just want to make sure I get something strong and pretty reliable..

Read the 4770k wasn't that impressive over the 3770k

smorizio · Aug 19, 2013

Sli on video card what happens is one card render the even frames the other the odd frames. If you got 600-1000 to spend on gpu the 780 and titans are the fastest single cards. The 770 just a little slower then one 780 but are better price point. The asus pro and sabertooth mb are the same mb. Your paying extra for the dust shield look. The 50 you save could go to more ram or a Ssd. The 1155 mb are a dead slot. With a 1150 you be able to drop in the next CPU for the 1150.

KaseSensitive · Aug 19, 2013

Okay so go with 1150 MB so that means I have to pick a new cpu. Here's the deal... The next MB and GPU you put for me I'm going to buy..

So REMEMBER, I KNOW IM A FUCKING IDIOT, BUT PLEASE GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GIVE ME THE BEST GRAPHICS AND FPS. IM GOING TO OVERCLOCK TOO.

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