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will steamroller outperform intel in single threaded apps
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manofchalk
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They'v got a fair bit to catch up in terms of Single-Threaded performance, and utilization of cores/threads is all on the software end and isnt controlled by AMD.
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
jaguarskx
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Steamroller should have better IPC than Piledriver. However, they have a long way to catch up to Intel. The evidence of Intel's superior IPC is easily seen when comparing benchmarks between Intel and AMD CPUs. It should be noted that AMD CPUs are generally clocked higher than Intel CPUs (like the FX-8350 @ 4.2GHz [Turbo Core] vs. the i5-4670k @ 3.8GHz [Turbo Boost] for example). If AMD and Intel CPUs were clocked at the same speed, then the difference in performance will be even greater.
Intel's higher prices generally reflects it's performance compared to AMD CPUs. Similarly, AMD's CPUs are price lower because in general they under perform Intel's CPUs at stock speeds. It's kinda like comparing a Toyota Camry vs. a Toyota Corolla. Both cars can get you from point to point, but they have different features and performance.
Intel's higher prices generally reflects it's performance compared to AMD CPUs. Similarly, AMD's CPUs are price lower because in general they under perform Intel's CPUs at stock speeds. It's kinda like comparing a Toyota Camry vs. a Toyota Corolla. Both cars can get you from point to point, but they have different features and performance.
Jaxem
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The jump between core revisions has been much bigger in AMD (admittedly because they have much further to go), about 10-20% from the Zambezi cores to the Vishera cores. they're anticipating another 15% boost with the steamroller architecture, which won't get them to where intel is now (much less pass them). It will close some of the gap though and make AMD a good buy (if pricing is similar).
manofchalk
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Steamroller will improve on Piledriver in terms of single-threaded performance, but it wont be on par with Intel offerings for a fair while I think.
I'm no chip designer, but looking at how the Bulldozer/Piledriver and I presume Steamroller chips are set up (using Modules instead of traditional "Cores" and sharing cache) these AMD chips arent even designed to perform that well in Single Threaded tasks. Not saying that AMD are intentionally crippling the product, but they took a risk and traded single for multi-threaded performance (where their chips do shine), which unfortunately didn't pay off as they misread the market.
I'm no chip designer, but looking at how the Bulldozer/Piledriver and I presume Steamroller chips are set up (using Modules instead of traditional "Cores" and sharing cache) these AMD chips arent even designed to perform that well in Single Threaded tasks. Not saying that AMD are intentionally crippling the product, but they took a risk and traded single for multi-threaded performance (where their chips do shine), which unfortunately didn't pay off as they misread the market.
RestlessAvenger
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From what I've been hearing and seeing about AMD's recent news, they are focusing more on their server and APU market rather than the high-end desktop CPU market. We don't even know if there will be an FX Steamroller chip or if the the next high end desktop cpu will support AM3+. For this reason, and the overall lacking of AMD keeping up in the high end desktop market, I am actually thinking about switching over to intel.
then why do they say amd is futureproof?
hello,
i have heard that most say amd is futureproof than intel since multithreaded games apps will be future. so i have a question , suppose 5core demanding games come in 2018 and those who bought haswell, ivy etc from intel and fx8350, fx8590etc from amd , since amd has more than 5cores only amd cpu guys will be able to play those 5core gameslater in 2018 is it? and not the intel ones? is that how futureproof means for amd ?
correct me englighten me
if what i said is correct then sure amd will last longer than intel .... , also amd is alot cheaper
manofchalk
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People tend to say that AMD chips (and platforms) are more futureproof as they tend to stick to make their sockets last a couple of gens, and inter-socket compatibility is fairly good if you can fit the requirements.
However right now I would say that AMD platforms are no more future proof than current Intel ones. AMD changes socket with new DDR revisions (or at least that's the trend so far), DDR4 I think will be coming in around late 2014 or 2015, which is as far as LGA1155 is going to last.
However right now I would say that AMD platforms are no more future proof than current Intel ones. AMD changes socket with new DDR revisions (or at least that's the trend so far), DDR4 I think will be coming in around late 2014 or 2015, which is as far as LGA1155 is going to last.
jimmysmitty
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Plus we would have to account for the "Haswell" refresh next year or even Broadwell. Intel has slowed down but not by much.
We will have to wait and see. I can see it happening since major socket changes for AMD only happen when new RAM is in play. 939/940/754 -> DDR AM2/AM2+ -> DDR2 AM3 -> AM3+ DDR3.
Still that could change. They have gone to LGA in their high end server and they may go to LGA on DT since LGA is capable of utilizing more pins in the same space. If you look at a LGA1155 socket/CPU its smaller than a AM3+ socket/CPU yet has 22% more pins.
That's why Intel moved to it in 2004.
The thing is that in the server space, they can utilize tons of RAM and multiple cores. That is where Intel and AMD both make the majority of their money.
But in the DT space and smaller business space, the software is slow to catch up. Dual cores are just recently showing signs of slowing and even now a i3 still does well in most games and the majority of DT apps.
So even 5 years from now, a quad core will probably be decent and not fully utilized. But by then we should be at 10 or 7nm and have more than 4 cores be the standard.
DDR4 will hit next year with Haswell-EP from what we have been seeing.
And I think you meant LGA1150. But LGA1150 wont see DDR4. More than likely that will be Skylakes socket which I assume will still be a LGA115X or maybe more pins. It depends on what Intel throws on the CPU next. I think Haswell went to LGA1150 due to the VRMs being moved to the CPU.
manofchalk
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Ahh, my mistake. LGA1150 I meant.
It could be a situation like LGA775 had where it was current when DDR3 started taking over. It would come down to the individual board/chipset as to whether it uses DDR3 or 4.
I imagine by Skylake, DDR4 will just become the accepted standard and all boards will use it.
It could be a situation like LGA775 had where it was current when DDR3 started taking over. It would come down to the individual board/chipset as to whether it uses DDR3 or 4.
I imagine by Skylake, DDR4 will just become the accepted standard and all boards will use it.
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