Intel i5 on board video vs AMD am3+

[tao1]

Hello,

I am building a new pc for a friend. He doesnt play too many modern games, so to cut cost down I was going to have him run off the stock video processor (He can buy a pci-e card when he needs to).

My question is which is a better video processor: the one built into the 4670k or that comes with the AMD 8350?

Thanks.

p.s. some benchmarks or links to any data would be appreciated.

 

[langley8]

i wouldn't recommend either
if you're trying to keep costs down i recommend getting an A6-6600k or a6-6400k
we can help you better if you give a budget and tell us what your friend will be using the system for

edit:http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/10.html
HD4600(iGPU on the i5 4670K) benchmarks

 

[geofelt]

The integrated video adapter of the FX-8350 should be superior.
But, integrated is nowhere close to a dedicated graphics card, even a $60 6670.
I have played civ4 ok on intel integrated graphics, but anything with fast action will not be fun.

If your budget can include a 4670K, Include at least some sort of a discrete card over $100.
What is the main purpose of the build?
It sounds to me like you may be overdoing cpu and under budgeting other parts.

 

[tao1]

i wouldn't recommend either
if you're trying to keep costs down i recommend getting an A6-6600k or a6-6400k
we can help you better if you give a budget and tell us what your friend will be using the system for

edit:http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_4770K_Haswell_GPU/10.html
HD4600(iGPU on the i5 4670K) benchmarks

Its not so much a budget, its just he doesnt need to shell out for a video card (yet). I recommend if he splurge on anything, he should splurge on the CPU since it will be more usefull in the future, if he does decide to play some of the latest games. Mainly there isnt a specific dollar amount for a budget, he just doesnt need to spend money on a video card which will mainly sit idle and depreciate.

Thanks for the info, I will look into it.

 

[tao1]

The integrated video adapter of the FX-8350 should be superior.
But, integrated is nowhere close to a dedicated graphics card, even a $60 6670.
I have played civ4 ok on intel integrated graphics, but anything with fast action will not be fun.

If your budget can include a 4670K, Include at least some sort of a discrete card over $100.
What is the main purpose of the build?
It sounds to me like you may be overdoing cpu and under budgeting other parts.

The main purpose for the build is a machine to check email, surf the web, and play some older games with the potential to play something more modern.

 

[geofelt]

In that case, I might suggest something like a i3-3245 which has the same speed HD4000 integrated gpu as the 4670K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116923
Nothing he does will require 4 cores, let alone 6 or 8.
Fewer faster cores is better.
For the type of use you describe, I consider a SSD to be the critical component. It makes everything quicker.
I might suggest a 240gb Samsung EVO.
Any motherboard you use will have a pci-e X16 expansion slot.
I built one similar to this for my son for about the same usage.
Being a civ fan, I loaded civ4 on it, and it played ok.
Here is one set of tests of <$200 gaming cpu's using a GTX680.
The i3-3425 is faster than the i3-3220 referenced.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427.html
I would also suggest using dual monitors. It is a wonderful productivity enhancer.

 

[davefowler]

The integrated video adapter of the FX-8350 should be superior.
But, integrated is nowhere close to a dedicated graphics card, even a $60 6670.
I have played civ4 ok on intel integrated graphics, but anything with fast action will not be fun.

If your budget can include a 4670K, Include at least some sort of a discrete card over $100.
What is the main purpose of the build?
It sounds to me like you may be overdoing cpu and under budgeting other parts.

FX 8350 doesn't even have a video adapter. The only AMD APU worth mentioning for it's graphics is the AMD A10-6800K.

 

[tao1]

In that case, I might suggest something like a i3-3245 which has the same speed HD4000 integrated gpu as the 4670K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116923
Nothing he does will require 4 cores, let alone 6 or 8.
Fewer faster cores is better.
For the type of use you describe, I consider a SSD to be the critical component. It makes everything quicker.
I might suggest a 240gb Samsung EVO.
Any motherboard you use will have a pci-e X16 expansion slot.
I built one similar to this for my son for about the same usage.
Being a civ fan, I loaded civ4 on it, and it played ok.
Here is one set of tests of <$200 gaming cpu's using a GTX680.
The i3-3425 is faster than the i3-3220 referenced.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-processor-frame-rate-performance,3427.html
I would also suggest using dual monitors. It is a wonderful productivity enhancer.

Yes I did consider going the route of the i3s. The limiting factor for me is being in Canada. Newegg, microcentre and others dont have shipping options to Canada, and it is expensive to do so anyway. I am ordering through the local store and since my friends current machine is dead, I dont have the luxury to send them requests for the price points to get in every permutation of components. For whatever reason, processors at my local store dont follow the US based pricing, so at most I found I can save $60 going to the lowest end processor that they have available. I think $60 would be a good investment for him to have a machine that will be able to tackle things in the future, for a longer period of time before an upgrade is required.
Its also harder to special order in the obsolete 3rd gen stuff at a reasonable price. FYI the 3770k is $252 and 4670k is $270.

 

[tao1]

The integrated video adapter of the FX-8350 should be superior.
But, integrated is nowhere close to a dedicated graphics card, even a $60 6670.
I have played civ4 ok on intel integrated graphics, but anything with fast action will not be fun.

If your budget can include a 4670K, Include at least some sort of a discrete card over $100.
What is the main purpose of the build?
It sounds to me like you may be overdoing cpu and under budgeting other parts.

FX 8350 doesn't even have a video adapter. The only AMD APU worth mentioning for it's graphics is the AMD A10-6800K.

Thanks for clearing this up. I have been told that it did, but my research didnt turn up anything on the supposed integrated graphics. The boards I looked at had integrated radeon 3000s which...are terrible compared to the intel IGPUs

 

[davefowler]

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AMD A10-6800K beats 4670k