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August 20, 2013 2:09:30 PM

(I apologize if this is the wrong topic for the hardware section, i couldn't find a software, or drivers section.) so the new catalyst drivers are out with an apparent crossfire fix because of this giant "micro-stuttering" issue. this question is short and sweet, because i have a wishy-washy interest in crossfiring my 7850 at some point, and if this new driver fixes that micro-stuttering then that's one less thing i have to worry about while crossfiring.

so my question is; has anyone personally tried the new 13.8 beta driver with frame pacing while using a crossfire setup with micro-stuttering, and did that micro-stuttering go away? or perhaps you never had micro-stuttering and this driver didn't change anything for you? thanks all.

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August 20, 2013 8:26:50 PM

I have been running it on one of my machines for several weeks. Since it came out. It has an i7-870K and a pair of HD 7870s. So far, I have not noticed any M-S in the games I played/tested. But in all honesty, I never put the 2nd card in the machine until the new beta driver came out. So I can't say for sure if I would have noticed the M-S with the previous driver and 2 cards or not. From the reviews I've read, it is a pretty fair fix.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/01/amd_catalyst_...
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August 20, 2013 8:35:54 PM

But keep in mind it still has major limitations:

No directx9 or opengl frame pacing
No eyefinity support
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August 20, 2013 8:44:15 PM

Correct ^
But No one uses DX9 anymore unless they like playing old games. And if you are running 3 HD monitors, those HD 7850s are probably not the best choice anyway. So they may not be 'major' limitations to you. Certainly not to me.
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August 20, 2013 11:40:40 PM

correction. actually people do, thats basically when they want to tone down the settings for smoother gameplay. dx9 comes to play when the gpu is of a low profile but u still want to turn on atleast a bit eye candy.
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August 21, 2013 12:51:33 AM

Still lots of decent DX9 games out there
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August 21, 2013 12:53:42 AM

i would say plenty more. even fary cry3, saints row 3, crysis 2 ,alan wake came in dx 9. dx9 is suppose to enchance performance without compromising on complete loss of quality
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August 21, 2013 2:51:37 AM

Just sell your 7850 and get something better, or wait for next gen cards that will hopefully have a proper hardware crossfire fix.
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August 21, 2013 7:06:59 AM

Wow thanks for the posts, i didn't expect this much. here's the thing, older DX is indeed important to me, i enjoy playing retro games alongside my new-gen games (quake 2, UT, etc..)

Also i have to mention that another 7850 would probably kick the crap out of a card i could afford if i just sold my current 7850 and got a new one.

doing some math here... (my budget is tight, so purchases need to be worth it) if i could sell my 7850 for (lets just say) $100 or something along those lines. added the price of a new 7850 ($150 or around there) you get about $250. with $250 one could buy a 7950, or the new GTX760 for that matter...
the 7950 gets a score of 4600 on passmark (roughly) and my current 7850 gets a score of 3800 stock (and 4100 with my overclock) so going up 800 points is not that much.... But if i were to get another 7850, well wouldnt that be an almost double of score??? which would be WAYYYYY more worth it "IF" crossfire didn't have any issues.

Thats my thought on the matter and that is why i was concerned with crossfire because i believe if crossfire would work for me then it would be a much better deal.

Thanks again for the input everyone! any other inputs are welcome.
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August 21, 2013 9:28:03 AM

Crossfire, like SLI, shows about an 80% increase in framerate over a single card. And my own testing has shown that to be about right. Assuming you don't have any m-s issues with the new driver, 2 x HD7850s would probably allow you to play any game at max settings to day and a little ways into the future.
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August 21, 2013 6:21:18 PM

ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.
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August 21, 2013 7:56:09 PM

Correct. That is not phase two. It is only some minor improvement for the 13.8
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August 21, 2013 10:01:54 PM

Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160
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August 22, 2013 1:39:00 AM

17seconds said:
Mousemonkey said:
The second stage beta came out the other day.

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/amd_catalyst_13_8_b...


That's not the Phase 2 driver, that's the fixed driver for the "fixed" driver.


LOL, a fixed driver for a fixed driver, that in itself is not 100% fixed!

as for the 80% scaling stat, that is now lower when you turn on the microstuttering "fix". Better frame times at the expense of some FPS and cpu overhead.

seriously, stay away from crossfire till they come up with a proper fix, don't throw away your money.
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August 22, 2013 1:48:38 AM

If you don't buy your VGA now, I would just wait and comeback when you want to go for it and check the status of the driver again.
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August 22, 2013 2:04:25 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
17seconds said:
Mousemonkey said:
The second stage beta came out the other day.

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/amd_catalyst_13_8_b...


That's not the Phase 2 driver, that's the fixed driver for the "fixed" driver.


LOL, a fixed driver for a fixed driver, that in itself is not 100% fixed!

as for the 80% scaling stat, that is now lower when you turn on the microstuttering "fix". Better frame times at the expense of some FPS and cpu overhead.

seriously, stay away from crossfire till they come up with a proper fix, don't throw away your money.


i don't think so,and what make you think the nvida solution does not use more cpu overheads ? there fix's are microshutter for nv cards prob do use more cpu, it's just never had any pre drivers when nvidia realsed GTX 400 cards new drivers came with it that was start for them, so i think you are mistaken on that. not saying that amd frame paceing does not use little more cpu, but you can't think that nvidia way of tackling micro shutter did not use more either like i said the drivers were already released before cards came out, so no way compare the nvida's fix to microshuttering. there was no pre drivers that supported GTX 400 cards ;) 
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August 22, 2013 2:20:54 AM

17seconds said:
Mousemonkey said:
The second stage beta came out the other day.

http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/amd_catalyst_13_8_b...


That's not the Phase 2 driver, that's the fixed driver for the "fixed" driver.


Well its listed as 'Beta2' and the HDMI issue has been 'fixed'! :lol: 

Oh and the Nvidia MS solution is supposedly hardware based from what I've gathered but either way its quite apparent that there are very few here who actually might know for sure.
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August 22, 2013 2:32:59 AM

hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.
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August 22, 2013 3:18:41 AM

bowzef said:
hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.


they reduced microstutter, but at also lowered the average fps, which kind of sucks. nvidia's scaling with multi cards is still 90-99% depending on the exact game and assuming no cpu bottleneck, and thats without any major frame latency problems.
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August 22, 2013 4:09:53 AM

iam2thecrowe said:
bowzef said:
hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.


they reduced microstutter, but at also lowered the average fps, which kind of sucks. nvidia's scaling with multi cards is still 90-99% depending on the exact game and assuming no cpu bottleneck, and thats without any major frame latency problems.


got a link to say that average frame is less? from what i can see my overall frame's have increased on average, i tested crysis 3 and i was getting more fps then i was on 13.4 drivers with both GPU's at 99%
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August 22, 2013 8:55:02 AM

Nvidia has been working on frame pacing since at least the 400 series. Their solution is hardware-based, it works for every game all the time, under every condition with no impact on CPU overhead. AMD is obviously still working on their software based solution. There is hope that future generations will have a hardware fix.
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August 22, 2013 9:49:04 AM

bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160


thanks for the input.
I have looked at the crosshairs before and as much as i would LOVE to buy one, they simply are not in my budget.

-im running AMD btw.

im slowly looking for something that has crossfire capabilities, 2 pci slots and is around $100. 970 or 990 chipset. so i was looking at this MSI board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

reason: it fits my criteria because this is the ONLY 970 chipset mobo (that i have found) that has an x16 and an x8 PCI-E slot. ALL others are an x16 and an x4 (will restrict a second 7850) so i could possibly crossfire later on. this board is also nice and cheap. i also want reliability considering my current board likes to poop on me, hense the need for a new one. I also like to overclock, and unfortunately reviews are telling me overclocking with this MSI board is a no-go. :??:  i dont have an easy answer for a low ballin budget...
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August 22, 2013 10:04:28 AM

Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160


thanks for the input.
I have looked at the crosshairs before and as much as i would LOVE to buy one, they simply are not in my budget.

-im running AMD btw.

im slowly looking for something that has crossfire capabilities, 2 pci slots and is around $100. 970 or 990 chipset. so i was looking at this MSI board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

reason: it fits my criteria because this is the ONLY 970 chipset mobo (that i have found) that has an x16 and an x8 PCI-E slot. ALL others are an x16 and an x4 (will restrict a second 7850) so i could possibly crossfire later on. this board is also nice and cheap. i also want reliability considering my current board likes to poop on me, hense the need for a new one. I also like to overclock, and unfortunately reviews are telling me overclocking with this MSI board is a no-go. :??:  i dont have an easy answer for a low ballin budget...

what is your budget on a motherboard ? il look see what i can find?
here is few to look at

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-970EX4-970-CrossFireX-M...

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-970-EXTREME3-SB950-DDR3/dp...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Durable-Classic-GA-970A-...
i know your not big fan of asrock so i put in a gigabyte one, i place asrock above msi
here is asus
http://www.amazon.com/M5A99FX-PRO-R2-0-990FX-Motherboar...
what CPU do you have ?
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August 22, 2013 1:09:34 PM

bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160


thanks for the input.
I have looked at the crosshairs before and as much as i would LOVE to buy one, they simply are not in my budget.

-im running AMD btw.

im slowly looking for something that has crossfire capabilities, 2 pci slots and is around $100. 970 or 990 chipset. so i was looking at this MSI board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

reason: it fits my criteria because this is the ONLY 970 chipset mobo (that i have found) that has an x16 and an x8 PCI-E slot. ALL others are an x16 and an x4 (will restrict a second 7850) so i could possibly crossfire later on. this board is also nice and cheap. i also want reliability considering my current board likes to poop on me, hense the need for a new one. I also like to overclock, and unfortunately reviews are telling me overclocking with this MSI board is a no-go. :??:  i dont have an easy answer for a low ballin budget...

what is your budget on a motherboard ? il look see what i can find?
here is few to look at

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-970EX4-970-CrossFireX-M...

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-970-EXTREME3-SB950-DDR3/dp...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Durable-Classic-GA-970A-...
i know your not big fan of asrock so i put in a gigabyte one, i place asrock above msi
here is asus
http://www.amazon.com/M5A99FX-PRO-R2-0-990FX-Motherboar...
what CPU do you have ?


I have an FX-6300. i'd perfer to overlock to around 4.3GHZ (i run around 4GHZ right now due to this board failing i don't want to push it)

I actually really like that ASUS board you sent, but i have an audigy 2 sound card that is PCI and i really need to keep it, with that board the PCI slot of covered if i were to do crossfire at any point. i also have a PCI networking adapter, but if i had to, I could buy a new PCI-E network adapter. so essentially the mobo would need 1 PCI slot, and 1 PCI-E slot open even after crossfiring. (just to keep my options open in case i want to crossfire) also for crossfire an x16 and x8 PCI-E slot (or better) will be required. as far as budget goes, the price of that asus is probably the max i would pay. i know its a little low budget for what i want, i wish i could afford the sabertooth or else i would just get that... or if i really had money to spend i wish i could get the crosshair...

btw thanks for this help
this community is so nice for people like this taking time to search things for others.

P.S. i find it funny, so i want to mention that the ASRock mobo link you sent is the exact mobo i have currently that has died twice :lol: 
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August 22, 2013 2:20:12 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
bowzef said:
hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.


they reduced microstutter, but at also lowered the average fps, which kind of sucks. nvidia's scaling with multi cards is still 90-99% depending on the exact game and assuming no cpu bottleneck, and thats without any major frame latency problems.

99% LOL I would like to see that.
Neither manufacturer can reliably get near 99% scaling

And frame pacing vs framerate is a bit of a compromise. Personally I would prefer less stutter over higher framerate.
And I am sure it will get better in time, this is just the first step.
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August 22, 2013 5:50:16 PM

smeezekitty said:
iam2thecrowe said:
bowzef said:
hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.


they reduced microstutter, but at also lowered the average fps, which kind of sucks. nvidia's scaling with multi cards is still 90-99% depending on the exact game and assuming no cpu bottleneck, and thats without any major frame latency problems.

99% LOL I would like to see that.
Neither manufacturer can reliably get near 99% scaling

And frame pacing vs framerate is a bit of a compromise. Personally I would prefer less stutter over higher framerate.
And I am sure it will get better in time, this is just the first step.


ok, maybe not 99%, but 90% wouldnt be out of the question without any cpu bottleneck. AMD cards get the same scaling except for when this frame metering is enabled, scaling is worse, while nvidia keeps scaling high. I understand its a first step, but people have been complaining about this for years and they have only just started fixing it now. With any luck next gen cards will have a proper fix, but i would not waste my time with crossfire again for current gen cards.
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August 22, 2013 7:07:11 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
smeezekitty said:
iam2thecrowe said:
bowzef said:
hardware and software i would think, be both that got modified for drivers to work with w/e hardware changes happens i has dabbled in pc hardware engineering, with new architecture's new driver is needed to communicate with the hardware, just like with anything cpu's chipsets ect , software level can make world of differents , with some optimaztion that works well with that specific architecture, like consoles even though API is not bloated its more metal on metal contact they able use methods of optimization for that specific architecture and gain more performance and better results.

it's pretty clear just from what AMD has done with HD 7000 cards with overhual how drivers work with the cards they able reduce ms with huge improvements, that again proves that software is extremely important on how things communicate. other wise they would re-release the cards that would need hardware/architecture changes.


they reduced microstutter, but at also lowered the average fps, which kind of sucks. nvidia's scaling with multi cards is still 90-99% depending on the exact game and assuming no cpu bottleneck, and thats without any major frame latency problems.

99% LOL I would like to see that.
Neither manufacturer can reliably get near 99% scaling

And frame pacing vs framerate is a bit of a compromise. Personally I would prefer less stutter over higher framerate.
And I am sure it will get better in time, this is just the first step.


ok, maybe not 99%, but 90% wouldnt be out of the question without any cpu bottleneck. AMD cards get the same scaling except for when this frame metering is enabled, scaling is worse, while nvidia keeps scaling high. I understand its a first step, but people have been complaining about this for years and they have only just started fixing it now. With any luck next gen cards will have a proper fix, but i would not waste my time with crossfire again for current gen cards.


I agree with the fact that crossfire needs to be refined. i believe most will be fixed through software advances and pure time is required to do so, they are attacking (for lack of a better word i can think of right now) the most important issues like frame syncing, when that is refined they might move on to compatibility issues. when that is done they might address efficiency issues. i don't know how long it will take but it will get better.

only thing i don't agree with is saying SLI is so much more worth it. they have their quirks, neither are amazingly efficient... but I have a mindset of not liking when favorites are chosen... im my mind nvidia and AMD are moving forward together, both are progressing.

non-the-less i hope they are fixing these issues as we speak and both crossfire and SLI are made far more worth-while in the future.
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August 22, 2013 10:48:27 PM

Augman11 said:

I agree with the fact that crossfire needs to be refined. i believe most will be fixed through software advances and pure time is required to do so, they are attacking (for lack of a better word i can think of right now) the most important issues like frame syncing, when that is refined they might move on to compatibility issues. when that is done they might address efficiency issues. i don't know how long it will take but it will get better.

only thing i don't agree with is saying SLI is so much more worth it. they have their quirks, neither are amazingly efficient... but I have a mindset of not liking when favorites are chosen... im my mind nvidia and AMD are moving forward together, both are progressing.

non-the-less i hope they are fixing these issues as we speak and both crossfire and SLI are made far more worth-while in the future.

Well sli is amazingly efficient, and a significant leap and bound ahead of crossfire. I have owned both crossfire and sli setups. Many others like myself have jumped from crossfire to sli and will never look back until crossfire issues are confirmed to be fixed. right now, sli works near flawlessly, and bugs are fixed promptly with driver releases, but i have encountered no bugs yet.
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August 22, 2013 11:33:46 PM

Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160


thanks for the input.
I have looked at the crosshairs before and as much as i would LOVE to buy one, they simply are not in my budget.

-im running AMD btw.

im slowly looking for something that has crossfire capabilities, 2 pci slots and is around $100. 970 or 990 chipset. so i was looking at this MSI board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

reason: it fits my criteria because this is the ONLY 970 chipset mobo (that i have found) that has an x16 and an x8 PCI-E slot. ALL others are an x16 and an x4 (will restrict a second 7850) so i could possibly crossfire later on. this board is also nice and cheap. i also want reliability considering my current board likes to poop on me, hense the need for a new one. I also like to overclock, and unfortunately reviews are telling me overclocking with this MSI board is a no-go. :??:  i dont have an easy answer for a low ballin budget...

what is your budget on a motherboard ? il look see what i can find?
here is few to look at

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-970EX4-970-CrossFireX-M...

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-970-EXTREME3-SB950-DDR3/dp...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Durable-Classic-GA-970A-...
i know your not big fan of asrock so i put in a gigabyte one, i place asrock above msi
here is asus
http://www.amazon.com/M5A99FX-PRO-R2-0-990FX-Motherboar...
what CPU do you have ?


I have an FX-6300. i'd perfer to overlock to around 4.3GHZ (i run around 4GHZ right now due to this board failing i don't want to push it)

I actually really like that ASUS board you sent, but i have an audigy 2 sound card that is PCI and i really need to keep it, with that board the PCI slot of covered if i were to do crossfire at any point. i also have a PCI networking adapter, but if i had to, I could buy a new PCI-E network adapter. so essentially the mobo would need 1 PCI slot, and 1 PCI-E slot open even after crossfiring. (just to keep my options open in case i want to crossfire) also for crossfire an x16 and x8 PCI-E slot (or better) will be required. as far as budget goes, the price of that asus is probably the max i would pay. i know its a little low budget for what i want, i wish i could afford the sabertooth or else i would just get that... or if i really had money to spend i wish i could get the crosshair...

btw thanks for this help
this community is so nice for people like this taking time to search things for others.

P.S. i find it funny, so i want to mention that the ASRock mobo link you sent is the exact mobo i have currently that has died twice :lol: 


il say best option you got is ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mobo, as for sound card idk... network card is not really important unless its wireless if so you can just use a USB wireless N , but to get right config i would say you going have spend more i'm afraid , honestly if you can scrap little cash maybe sell some junk you have laying around , thats what i do when i on a budget i look at all crap i don't need in my house and go pawn it in lol, and put it towards my pc , but yeah other wise you will have save up and get a water block/pump setup for your crossfire setup and that will give you some space maybe? but in long run it be best spend more on mobo honestly that has best layout for your needs and reliability, once you made the purchase it be one off thing for long bit, and wont have care about CPU upgrades i think AMD cpu will still use AM3+ sockets. hope my input helps i know u don't wanna spend more but i think you don't have much of choice, its only cheapest option you got really is spend little more on mobo and save up little later for 2nd GPU.
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August 23, 2013 12:23:22 AM

bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
bowzef said:
Augman11 said:
ah, thank you for the 80% stat, i knew it obviously wasn't exactly doubled, it would be hard to make them that efficient. you just proved the point that still stands: two 7850's would be way more worth it provided no M-S issues.

truth is i need a new mobo before i even think of upgrading graphics, HOWEVER if i want to go X-fire im going to need to invest in a board with a x16 and a x8 PCI-E slot instead of the basic x16 and x4, hense my wondering about crossfire.

BTW the only reason i need a new mobo is because this complete piece of *!#@ ASRock mobo as screwed my life for 2 months and has costed over $130 with the mobo and RMA's one after another. i have basically no budget so this crap mobo from ASRock just makes me want to cry. i sunk my budget into a nice new PC and this happens.... anyways, enough of my venting.

Thanks for the help everyone, and if anyone else personally has crossfire setups they would like to share, feel free.

Best answer is going to clutchc for including almost exactly what i asked for by sharing his crossfire experience with the new driver, thanks again.


depending on you cpu, and psu, but anyways get one of asus maximus mobo, i think they are now $160 on newegg
haswell
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

amd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$200
sandy/ivry gigabytes are great value
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$160


thanks for the input.
I have looked at the crosshairs before and as much as i would LOVE to buy one, they simply are not in my budget.

-im running AMD btw.

im slowly looking for something that has crossfire capabilities, 2 pci slots and is around $100. 970 or 990 chipset. so i was looking at this MSI board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

reason: it fits my criteria because this is the ONLY 970 chipset mobo (that i have found) that has an x16 and an x8 PCI-E slot. ALL others are an x16 and an x4 (will restrict a second 7850) so i could possibly crossfire later on. this board is also nice and cheap. i also want reliability considering my current board likes to poop on me, hense the need for a new one. I also like to overclock, and unfortunately reviews are telling me overclocking with this MSI board is a no-go. :??:  i dont have an easy answer for a low ballin budget...

what is your budget on a motherboard ? il look see what i can find?
here is few to look at

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-970EX4-970-CrossFireX-M...

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-970-EXTREME3-SB950-DDR3/dp...

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Durable-Classic-GA-970A-...
i know your not big fan of asrock so i put in a gigabyte one, i place asrock above msi
here is asus
http://www.amazon.com/M5A99FX-PRO-R2-0-990FX-Motherboar...
what CPU do you have ?


I have an FX-6300. i'd perfer to overlock to around 4.3GHZ (i run around 4GHZ right now due to this board failing i don't want to push it)

I actually really like that ASUS board you sent, but i have an audigy 2 sound card that is PCI and i really need to keep it, with that board the PCI slot of covered if i were to do crossfire at any point. i also have a PCI networking adapter, but if i had to, I could buy a new PCI-E network adapter. so essentially the mobo would need 1 PCI slot, and 1 PCI-E slot open even after crossfiring. (just to keep my options open in case i want to crossfire) also for crossfire an x16 and x8 PCI-E slot (or better) will be required. as far as budget goes, the price of that asus is probably the max i would pay. i know its a little low budget for what i want, i wish i could afford the sabertooth or else i would just get that... or if i really had money to spend i wish i could get the crosshair...

btw thanks for this help
this community is so nice for people like this taking time to search things for others.

P.S. i find it funny, so i want to mention that the ASRock mobo link you sent is the exact mobo i have currently that has died twice :lol: 


il say best option you got is ASUS M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mobo, as for sound card idk... network card is not really important unless its wireless if so you can just use a USB wireless N , but to get right config i would say you going have spend more i'm afraid , honestly if you can scrap little cash maybe sell some junk you have laying around , thats what i do when i on a budget i look at all crap i don't need in my house and go pawn it in lol, and put it towards my pc , but yeah other wise you will have save up and get a water block/pump setup for your crossfire setup and that will give you some space maybe? but in long run it be best spend more on mobo honestly that has best layout for your needs and reliability, once you made the purchase it be one off thing for long bit, and wont have care about CPU upgrades i think AMD cpu will still use AM3+ sockets. hope my input helps i know u don't wanna spend more but i think you don't have much of choice, its only cheapest option you got really is spend little more on mobo and save up little later for 2nd GPU.


ha i know exactly what you mean... its just that $20 i didn't want to have to spend ya know... i appreciate the input and ill probably end up saving money for a month or so then getting a mobo either the ASUS you suggested or one very similar. Thanks again and ill keep that all in mind.
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