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August 21, 2013 5:38:29 PM

Hello folks!

My topic may seem a little bit old-fashioned but we dont all have that much money to buy the latest full hd tv set, as I do (or don't) :) 

I'm thinking about buying a new Panasonic Plasma TV (TX-P42C3E) with a 1024*768 native resolution and I was wondering: Can I play at 1080p with it with my PC or PS3? it is ready or suitable for the upcoming PS4? any other recommedation?

Looking forwards to your answers friends! ;) 

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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:42:24 PM

A 1024x768 screen is made to run at 768p.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:44:10 PM

Do you mean native resolution of 1366 x 768? I don't know that they made a TV that ran at 1024x768. But the answer is no. If the monitor/tv you are playing on doesn't support 1920 x 1080 then you can't play at that resolution. I'd think about just getting a gaming monitor for about 130 dollars that will support 1080p.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:47:55 PM

Yes you can play 1080p games on that TV. However they will downsample to 1024x768, So you will not get the detail that you will on a 1080p TV.

If I may ask, how much are you getting that TV for? Considering I've seen 42" TV for under 500 it must be a really good deal.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:50:35 PM

Check the specs.

Playing 1080p games on a low-resolution screen that only supports 1080i input might not look particularly good: you have an aspect-ratio change, a re-scaling and de-interlacing to deal with, which may add some latency and artifacts.

If you want the best picture quality possible, you should try to get a TV with a native 1080p panel.
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August 21, 2013 5:52:38 PM

It is a 1024*768 actually!

I found it at 480, not sure if this a good price!

So do you think I should get a 1080p LED TV? Since I will only use it for gaming and knowing the amount of issues that LCD/LED TVs have with gaming images treating, I don't really know what to do! Full HD Plasma TVs are too expensive for me, and LED TVs are a junk as for gaming! I said "gaming" a lot :p 
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:53:47 PM

you can buy a 1080p computer monitor for $100 or a 1080p 32" no-name television for about $300.

if you want 1080p you NEED to buy a 1080p television (or monitor).

the computer will run at the resolution the television suppots (eg 1366x768) and the game will run at that resolution. in the case of ps3 or ps4 the video will be downscaled if the game is ran at 1080p but more than likely the game will want to run in 720p mode instead. not quite sure which but its not going to be 1080p for sure.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 5:54:45 PM

I personally wouldn't have bought a TV with such a low resolution, at all, even worse for that price. I definitively think that you should get a 1080p one.
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August 21, 2013 5:55:26 PM

LED televisions are bad for gaming? absolute hogwash

i am on a 60hz ccfl backlit lcd television right now and i play games perfectly fine. the only difference with led is the backlighting which doesnt affect a thing.

what you DO have to worry about is 120hz or 240hz (which you DONT want) but at your price range i dont think that is going to be an issue.
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August 21, 2013 5:58:55 PM

I saw a friend playing on a Samsung 40eh5000 LED TV and the image was awful! You could see the backlighting during dark scenes and in some games moving the camera would "darkens" or "blackens" all the pixels around? Any idea what would that be?
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August 21, 2013 6:07:25 PM

in most cases you WILL be able to see the backlight during dark scenes. black will look like really dark grey. lcd technology requires the backlight to be on in order to see an image. the only lcd televisions where you can get true black (the backlight off) is in high end led lcd televisions with zone led backlighting (arrayed in a grid behind the screen) where zones turn off and on or dim as required.

that part is normal for lcd televisions and monitors. due to the nature of how plasma televisions work this isnt an issue and they have exellent black values.

please do read the sticky manofchalk and i wrote in the perepherals section about monitors and televisions. it lets you know all the details of how they work.

not sure what you mean about the darkening of pixels when you move around. could you be referring to when moving from a light scene (bright image with high backlight) to a dark scene (dark image with low backlight) that you can see the backlight flicker from high to low from high to low when moving between? or when reading white text on a black background after about 20 seconds the backlight switches from medium to really low? if so then this has to do with the individual tv and its settings and may be able to be changed (disabled).

if not, maybe you can describe in a different way what you mean.
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 6:09:57 PM

i will state again that you do not want 200hz as it could cause problems. there is normally an off switch (game mode) to swap back to 50hz but sometimes it doesnt work and if it doesnt and if you run in 200hz mode games will look like they are lagging.

basically the tv supports 50hz input only and fakes in the frames. this post processing takes time and hence the lag you may see.

here in the usa we use the 60hz/120hz/240hz standard. since you stated 200hz my guess is that you are on the 50hz/100hz/200hz standard so will need a 50hz television if you go with lcd.
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August 21, 2013 6:22:07 PM

Thank you so much for answering so far, you don't how much you are being helpful my friend!

And what I meant with blackening, I will simply try to explain it with current examples: In Skyrim during the night, when you look/move the camera, the trees and ground become black, literally! It even happens in Far Cry 3 during daylight, everything becomes darker, only when moving the camera or the character, stairs flicker bizarrely, and when browsing he internet (steam interface for example), there is a kind of deep black trailing!

And what I meant with visible backlighting during dark scenes, is REALLY seeing it, with visible light vertical/horizontal light lines spoiling the image!

This is why I am so afraid of LED TVs, so maybe you can confort me with explaining to me the meaning of those issues :)  and THANK YOU :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 6:38:20 PM

image trailing sounds like ghosting to me. not all lcd panels cause this effect. generally this looks as if the image isnt disappearing right away almost as if its merging with the next image. is this what it looks like?

flickering of images may have to do with how the game is coded and anti-aliasing settings. i noticed this on both a lcdtv and monitor for the same game. it may also be more prevalent when you arent running the game at the monitor or televisions native resolution.

visible light bands mean poor backlight distribution. this was a factor in some ccfl backlit televisions. typically you may see slightly darker and slightly lighter areas but not a clearly defined band. sounds like a bad model to me. again... sounds like ccfl backlighting not led to me unless you can verify its a ledtv. led backlit televisions are typically edge lit (at least the ones in your price range are) so if anything the edges will be lighter but it shouldnt be very noticible at all.

unless of course it is one of the zone (grid array of leds) led backlight arrays in which case its a possibility but shouldnt be happening unless it was a poor design. all of the tvs of that design i've seen have looked very good (almost as good as plasma).

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in general i would suggest to NEVER buy a television off the internet without seeing it in person first.

i would suggest to go to a store and see how the television looks

i pretty much only have two major recommendations.

-you must buy 1080p if you want to play at 1080p
-you would want to get a 50hz panel if you go lcd

you can go plasma if you want however i cant tell you how they will work out with games or the pc as i never had one before.
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August 21, 2013 6:44:27 PM

Indeed, this is like two images are merging together, so the image becomes "darker".

How I can find a good 1080p 32inch LED TV without those 100/200hz marketing crap? looks like all recent full hd models have it!

And for my friend's LED TV model, its a Samsung 40eh5000w!
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August 21, 2013 6:47:11 PM

And do I really need an 1080p if i'm going for a 32inch TV? Will I notice any difference?
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 6:56:37 PM

Zragadouga said:
And do I really need an 1080p if i'm going for a 32inch TV? Will I notice any difference?

That depends largely on how far away from the screen you plan to sit. I sit at ~3' from my 24" PC LCD and 1200p seems about just right for me - could use 1600p to make text a little bit crisper.
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August 21, 2013 7:04:50 PM

the 50hz televisions are often cheaper models (which is good for you anyways).

go to any real big electronics store and no doubt they have them.

do you really need 1080p? well... you dont need it however 1080p is suggested if you hook your pc up to the tv (and is very nice for ps3/ps4). not having a 720p or 1080p tv means that your images will get distorted so will look consistantly worse than a 720 or 1080p tv when viewing ps3 or ps4 content. or dvd/blueray content on the pc.
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August 21, 2013 7:06:24 PM

I am not that far from the TV? do I really need 1080p then?
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August 21, 2013 7:08:21 PM

i sit 3.5 feet from a 40" tv and 1080p is definitely required. even from a distance as far as 10-12 feet you can see the difference between 1080p and 720p.

i would highly suggest it. of course its your call.

we are just telling you our thoughts on the matter (as you asked us to)
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August 21, 2013 7:15:18 PM

Ok then! I'll go for a 32" FHD LED TV or 40" FHD LCD TV! Thank you so much for the help, I know a good big electronics store, I'll take my PC and try their TVs there!

One final question: If i'm going for LCD or LCD/LED TVs, do you have any recommendation on panels? what to choose and what to avoid? CCFL, IPS, etc.. Always bumping on those words and the explanations I find on the net are kinda too "elitist" for me :p 
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a b 4 Gaming
August 21, 2013 7:40:27 PM

well there is "panel type" and then there is "backlight type"

backlight would be "led" or "ccfl".

panel type would be "ips" etcetera...

there really is not a huge difference between led and ccfl so i would go with ccfl for the power savings.

as far as types of panels go... televisions use some different panel designs than lcd monitors so i really cant say what to go for. find something with good color and high viewing angles. i am pretty sure my television is s-ips (just like my good monitor is s-ips) panel type but more often than not the panel type might not be the same as is used for pc monitors which makes comparision hard. the panel type is also harder to find on tvs as it is not listed as frequently as it is for monitors.

are you sure you will lug your whole pc with you to the electronics store? (unless you have a laptop of course)
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August 21, 2013 7:47:29 PM

Thanks for the explanation! Hehehe you're right I'll try to take something smaller, since I have no laptop, maybe i'll try to borrow one and list a couple of tests to be sure this is THE TV I need (or the PS3 maybe) :)  Again, if I choose a 32" 1080p, will I be satisfied with the FHD caracteristic (due to the "small" size of the screen)?
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August 21, 2013 7:51:29 PM

unless you are sitting so far away that the detail would be lost to you then i would say that yes it would be a good idea to go with 1080p.

go to a store. look at 720p 32" tvs and then at 1080p. you will see what i mean.
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August 21, 2013 7:55:06 PM

Thank you, thank you for everything my friend, nice to see there is really helpful and dedicated people such as you :)  God bless you!
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August 21, 2013 9:51:50 PM

ssddx said:
there really is not a huge difference between led and ccfl so i would go with ccfl for the power savings.

CCFL for power savings? o.O

My 22" LED LCD uses around 20W at max brightness and does not even register on my UPS at minimum - I can hardly feel any temperature increase over ambient anywhere on it at my normal 30% brightness. My older 20" CCFL LCD runs pretty darn hot using around 50W while my newer 24" CCFL LCD runs noticeably cooler using around 40W.

LED seems a whole lot more efficient to me largely thanks to not requiring high-voltage inverters.
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August 22, 2013 6:07:03 AM

LOL did i really say CCFL? it was late and i must have been tired and typed some words in the wrong order.

what i meant to say was "go with LED backlighting for power savings"

nice catch invalid! thanks.
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August 26, 2013 2:14:46 PM

Hey! a little comeback for the win :p 

So I went to the store and checked some Sony TVs, LED and LCDs and they were all having awful black trailing/smearing/ghosting/howeverthename!

After a little research, I bumped on something about PVA and IPS panels!

My question is: Could it be the source of the problem? why didn't have any problem with my very old LG LED TV? thanks in advance :) 
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August 26, 2013 4:47:04 PM

what did you read about pva and ips panels?

i've looked for information on my model in the past and always thought it was s-ips however..

http://store.sony.com/p/KDL-40V3000/en/p/KDL40V3000/BST...

its listed as 10bit and s-ips is only 8bit. i dug a bit further and i have found a few sources claiming it is a s-pva panel (which normally is 8 bit too) but the newer variety which is 10bit.

my computer monitor however (which i have in storage right now) was a $650 20" s-ips 8bit panel from the viewsonic pro lineup.

i suppose this means that i have personally used both pva and ips. personally i've never noticed a thing wrong with them.

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were you testing 50hz televisions?

i find it hard to believe that there is a problem with all the televisions.

if i scroll fast enough there is some image chopping on the screen however i have never had any problems in game. to be honest unless i try to actually case the effect i dont see it.

what could be happening is that you are one of the people who can really notice response time. while some people may not have an issue with panel response times there are some people who do notice an issue on all but the fastest monitors.

as a test what i would like for you to do is to test out a 1ms response time monitor down at your local store. these are typically TN panels. granted they are not the best in terms of color or viewing angle but they do have the lowest response times you can get.

50hz should be fine... no need to get 100hz unless you have the hardware to back it up and i'm not sure ps3/ps4 will really support the added benefit of 100hz.

does this ultra low response time reduce the "blur" or "ghosting" that you are seeing?

the absolute best you are going to see as far as how fast the image can be scanned is a 100hz tn panel. the response time is ultra low and the refresh rate (how fast the panel vertically scans and changes the images) is also the highest. as with normal tn though color accuracy and viewing angle are not as good.

as far as ps3 support... this requires HDCP support. i dont know if ps3 can display at 100hz either. if it only displays at 50hz then a 100hz monitor is useless for ps3 use.

blur could also be somewhat from your computer settings. ie from vysnc being on or off, etcetera.

anyways... try out a TN panel or some computer monitors with your pc and see what you think. reply when done.
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