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New Build P4C800-E Deluxe, Booting (from USB) and HDD Issues

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August 22, 2013 3:00:00 PM

Greetings everyone,

Been using Tom's Hardware for a couple of months and I decided to join in. Most of the threads that I have read have been oriented around building a older P4 computer. This is not the first computer that I have built; a couple new ones (1366, 1155 and soon to be 2011) and an older 939 and a P2 way, way back.

I have, for many matters, read many forums on this type of build and tried to allocate all of the knowledge from other people and their issues to mine, and still I have not found a way out of the labyrinth.

Description:

I have all the parts to build it, and have a few times but I run into the same blue screen of death (BSOD) every single gosh-darn time. I will list my hardware and the list that I have performed in attempts to get the computer working.

Here is the hardware that I have to make up the system.
- Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 (720 W)
- CPU: P4 3.40 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 1M cache (if I am not mistaken)
- Motherboard: ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe
- RAM: 4 x 1 Gb G-Skill PC3200 DDR400
- Video Card: HIS IceQ 3 Turbo Radeon HD 3850
- Optical Drive: LG DVD+RW (speed I am not sure of at this time)
- Standard Floppy (1.44 Mb)
- Hard Drives: 2 x Maxtor 80 Gb, DiamondMax Plus 9 ATA/133
- Wireless card to be implemented after the computer runs

Software known:
- BIOS 1024
- Would like Windows XP Professional SP3 (downloaded and on a Lexmark 1 Gb USB)

Here is a list of what I have done so far...

First off, I have two P4C800-E Deluxe boards, thought the other had a issue, so I bought another, which I have stated below.

Note: (Try Number)

(1-5). Connected all components and turned on the computer. BIOS posted well, had to reset the CMOS time and date settings which is normal enough.

- I connected the HDD in series (Master and Slave) to the IDE-Primary port on the board, not the Primary-RAID port. The BIOS recognized that I had the two HDDs, the DVD drive and the floppy. I changed the IDE configuration from S-ATA to P-ATA in Enhanced Mode and turned RAID and the Promise Controller OFF. Did not play with the clock, fan speeds or anything.

- The first HDD already had Win XP installed on it from another computer, so I did a simple swap. A swap in which I have done before and the OS booted 'sans problème (no problem).' With no USB in, I tried to boot from the master HDD, all it did was so the loading screen of Win XP and then quickly flash to a BSOD [which I presume was the 0x7B (0xF78DA524, 0xC0000034, 0X0000000, 0x0000000)] and just start a rebooting loop.

- On the rare occasion the screen where one may pick, 'Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Networking, etc.' appears, I tried all of the options and it just reboots back to this screen or the regular appearing BSOD flash screen.

- Thus, I figured there was something up with the board (most likely my ignorant self). So I bought a new board.

(6-8). [USB BOOT] I swapped out the HDD with Windows on it for a fresh Maxtor 80 Gb (So now I am running two fresh Maxtors). This time I force booted from the USB drive with the downloaded Win XP on it. After booting from the USB, I pressed F6 to designate a HDD for Win XP to install too. But the funny thing is, is when the SCSI or RAID additional device blue window opens, no mass storage device are seen on the computer at all. I can put in a floppy, but I do not have a floppy with the manufacturer support, which I am not to sure what it is about (I believe it has something to do with the drivers on the board or the Promise controller).

- After I could not choose anything from the menu, I continued the extraction from the USB to nowhere (as it seemed) and then I was demonstrated the beloved BSOD, refer to the above, occurring once again.

- I attempted, as well, in changing the Enhanced Mode to Compatibility Mode and setting the IDE configurations to P-ATA and Primary P-ATA + S-ATA, which did not seem to work either. Also, I disabled Hyper Threading as I read a couple of post stating that HT could be an issue during some instances, which lead me nowhere.

(9-12). I turned the Promise controller ON, and kept Enhanced Mode ON, although RAID was OFF. The Promise controller did pick up my Maxtor drive (I only had one connected to the Primary-RAID IDE connector = acts as an IDE connector [to my knowledge]). The other HDD was on the IDE Primary connector. The BIOS did recognize my Maxtor as the master and my S-ATA 378 as my RAID-0 drive on the RAID connector in the Boot Sequence.

Note: From what I have read, one cannot boot from a RAID connection, in which I tried to do in try 12.

- Again, attempted to boot from the USB drive and the same thing transpired; the computer did not see any HDD to write Win XP to and concluded with a BSOD, refer to above.

My HDDs were freshly formatted before even attempting to get the computer to start running on a new storage system. I, regrettably, do not have an authentic Win XP Pro compact disk or floppies for that matter.

To be truly honest, I am offly confused, disappointed and slightly frustrated with myself and the lack of results that I have been receiving. The only other option that I have to do would be to get new HDDs with a S-ATA connection and attempt that. I do believe that that is my last option, as far as I know, in which I hope I am wrong.

I do hope that my explanations of what I have done are detailed enough so that hopefully one of you folks can put yourselves in my shoes and see what I am missing.

Much Regards,

Blake
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August 22, 2013 3:30:03 PM

Hi,
Is the HDD connected to the Promise or to the ICH5R controller? If Promise, then I suggest moving the HDD to one of the 2 ICH ports (black let's say).
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August 22, 2013 3:35:24 PM

Evening Alexoiu,

I did both actually. I had the Primary IDE connector as one and one on the Promise. I also tried the HDDs in series on the IDE connector with no Promise controller. The secondary IDE connector was designated to the DVD drive.

Did I fully understand your advice?

Thank you,

Blake
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August 22, 2013 3:45:46 PM

Hey Blake, here is my recommendation -

There will be two standard IDE connectors on this board, located near the memory slots. These are run by the Intel chipset on the board rather than the Promise FastTrak 378 RAID controller. Connect the clean 80GB Maxtor drive to the Primary IDE connector by itself (they may also be labeled as 0 and 1, or 1 and 2, use whichever is the lower number). Make sure that the drive is set to Single or Master, not slave or cable select. Also make sure that the ribbon cable is connected properly (far end in the board, other end in the drive).

Once the drive is connected in this way, you should be able to enter the BIOS configuration right after boot by hitting either Delete or F2. Once in the BIOS, check to see if the drive is recognized properly. You should set the 'Onboard IDE Operate Mode' to 'Enhanced Mode', and the 'Enhanced Mode Support On' to 'S-SATA'. Also make sure that the 'Configure SATA as RAID' option is set to 'No'. Here is a link to the Manual from Asus to help.

Assuming that the drive is recognized and all that, go ahead and boot from your USB Flash Drive and Install Windows XP as normal. You can still get all the drivers you might need for the devices on this board from Asus here: http://www.service.asus.com/#!downloads/c1wax

To connect the second Hard Disk and the DVD drive, you will need to connect the DVD drive to the Secondary IDE Connector on the board, setting the DVD drive as Single or Master (the same as the first Hard Drive, just on the Secondary IDE Connector). Again, set the jumper on the second Maxtor Hard Disk to Single or Master, but this time connect it to the Promise FastTrak Controller, which should have a connector on the lower right had corner of the board near the SATA ports. Make sure that you install the driver for this disk controller first, otherwise the drive will not be accessible under WinXP once you're booted up.

(Note: The Promise FastTrak Controller (the RAID Controller) does not support optical drives, so you will not be able to use the DVD drive on that connector.)

Hope this helps man, let me know how it goes!
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August 22, 2013 3:47:54 PM

Yes. It should work, but it doesn't. Can you try installing from a CD (not USB)?
Can you format/initialize the new HDDs in a different PC? Or, better if you connect the old HDD and start installing Windows, is the old HDD seen (I understand that the issue is that the new HDDs are not seen)?
Another option would be using nLite for slipstreaming the SATA driver (although it shouldn't be needed for IDE).
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August 22, 2013 4:08:54 PM

alexoiu said:
Hi,
Is the HDD connected to the Promise or to the ICH5R controller? If Promise, then I suggest moving the HDD to one of the 2 ICH ports (black let's say).


alexoiu said:
Yes. It should work, but it doesn't. Can you try installing from a CD (not USB)?
Can you format/initialize the new HDDs in a different PC? Or, better if you connect the old HDD and start installing Windows, is the old HDD seen (I understand that the issue is that the new HDDs are not seen)?
Another option would be using nLite for slipstreaming the SATA driver (although it shouldn't be needed for IDE).


Evening Alexoiu,

I do not have a fresh CD (as of yet) to burn an ISO image to or even the authentic disk.

Both the HDDs are freshly formatted. The one HDD that has Win XP Pro already on it boots perfectly on my P4S800-MX which is right beside my P4C800-E DLX. The other two HDDs work great on the MX as well.

I tried to install Win XP from the USB to a empty HDD, although with the installation window that comes up, 'Install Windows XP Professional' is shaded out for some reason.

nLite huh, I will try that option.

Thank you very much and I will let you know,

Blake
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August 22, 2013 4:21:59 PM

vh1atomicpunk said:
Hey Blake, here is my recommendation -

There will be two standard IDE connectors on this board, located near the memory slots. These are run by the Intel chipset on the board rather than the Promise FastTrak 378 RAID controller. Connect the clean 80GB Maxtor drive to the Primary IDE connector by itself (they may also be labeled as 0 and 1, or 1 and 2, use whichever is the lower number). Make sure that the drive is set to Single or Master, not slave or cable select. Also make sure that the ribbon cable is connected properly (far end in the board, other end in the drive).

Once the drive is connected in this way, you should be able to enter the BIOS configuration right after boot by hitting either Delete or F2. Once in the BIOS, check to see if the drive is recognized properly. You should set the 'Onboard IDE Operate Mode' to 'Enhanced Mode', and the 'Enhanced Mode Support On' to 'S-SATA'. Also make sure that the 'Configure SATA as RAID' option is set to 'No'. Here is a link to the Manual from Asus to help.

Assuming that the drive is recognized and all that, go ahead and boot from your USB Flash Drive and Install Windows XP as normal. You can still get all the drivers you might need for the devices on this board from Asus here: http://www.service.asus.com/#!downloads/c1wax

To connect the second Hard Disk and the DVD drive, you will need to connect the DVD drive to the Secondary IDE Connector on the board, setting the DVD drive as Single or Master (the same as the first Hard Drive, just on the Secondary IDE Connector). Again, set the jumper on the second Maxtor Hard Disk to Single or Master, but this time connect it to the Promise FastTrak Controller, which should have a connector on the lower right had corner of the board near the SATA ports. Make sure that you install the driver for this disk controller first, otherwise the drive will not be accessible under WinXP once you're booted up.

(Note: The Promise FastTrak Controller (the RAID Controller) does not support optical drives, so you will not be able to use the DVD drive on that connector.)

Hope this helps man, let me know how it goes!


Good evening (in which it clearly is afternoon on Tom's) Vh1atomicpunk,

I greatly appreciate the response, I am multi-tasking with Alexoiu's advice and yours as well.

On question though. Do I solely connect the Maxtor to the primary IDE, then install, then connect the DVD drive and Promise IDE after? Just trying to follow what you have suggested to the tee.

So I attached everything and did what you said. Computer posted well, but I have it seems that the BIOS resets on every shutdown for some reason (replace the battery?). I boot with the USB and the same blue screen appears. This explains what I explain previously in my original post. (Could not find mass storage device for Windows support).

I am trying to play with the USB configurations and as of now Forced FDD does not work, as well as all the other options.

Thank you,

Blake
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