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Help me with my final decision (i5-3570K vs i5-4670K)

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August 23, 2013 3:05:31 AM

Hi folks! :)  In 10 days or so I am ordering my new PC, every part is choosen already except the CPU. (That damn CPU :@). I have been thinking between i5-3570K & i5-4670K. And something important:

When I get the PC I won't overclock immediately. Maybe I will OC in the future.


Why I would pick 3570K:

It runs cooler and it's cheaper in my country.


Why I would pick 4670K:

It's on new socket and my computer will be more "future proof".

Will the 4670K run cooler without overclock with the BOX cooler?


Can't decide :(  Please help me with the decision :) 



Greetings from sunny Bulgaria ^^


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August 23, 2013 3:15:54 AM

Hi there in Bulgaria! :)  deciding on cpu's is always a little tricky ... but I'd go for the 3570k. Reasons:

- Cheaper, so if your budget is a bit tight or you want to spend some more on other parts, 3570k to go.
- Cooler, less fan-noise and stock cooler will do with no OC, or you can buy a cooler with the money you saved.
- Future proof with intel is like honest politicians ... it doesn't exist. By the time you want a new cpu, the 1150 will be as much outdated as the 1155.

Hopes this helps you decide. Greetings from a bit less sunny Belgium :D 
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August 23, 2013 3:35:58 AM

Hey there :)  The money is not the problem right now, the problem is the decision. :D  I really don't see reason to invest in a dead socket. Will Haswell Refresh use a diffrent socket? Because honestly Intel shi*ted pretty hard...
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August 23, 2013 3:45:47 AM

sando99 said:
Hey there :)  The money is not the problem right now, the problem is the decision. :D  I really don't see reason to invest in a dead socket. Will Haswell Refresh use a diffrent socket? Because honestly Intel shi*ted pretty hard...


Intel sucks hard when it comes to sockets. That's why I choose for AMD. But I won't plead here :p 
After Haswell comes Broadwell, which is the last to use 1150. But if you buy a Haswell now, you have no need to upgrade within a year. So the better decision would be to buy a cooler, more overclockable (forgot to mention that) 3570k, skip the 1150 haswell/broadwell and buy Skylake or Haswell-E when you want to upgrade.
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August 23, 2013 3:52:19 AM

When Skylake it's going to be released?
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August 23, 2013 4:07:34 AM

sando99 said:
When Skylake it's going to be released?


Planned for 2015. So you really won't need another cpu till then, especially if you plan to OC a bit within a year or so.
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August 23, 2013 4:51:24 AM

Well, if I have to be honest the main reason I would want Haswell is because of the "future proofness" because I don't plan to upgrade my PC for like 2-3 years. What do you think?
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August 23, 2013 4:59:08 AM

sando99 said:
Well, if I have to be honest the main reason I want Haswell is because of the "future proofness" because I don't plan to upgrade my PC for like 2-3 years. What do you think?


That's my point, Haswell is totally NOT future proof. Both i5's you proposed will get you equally far. Perhaps the 3570k even a little further because its OC capabilities are the best (depends from cpu to cpu though). Even if you play heavy games, there is really no reason to choose for this newer generation, unless you want to reduce your energy bill by a few dollars.
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August 23, 2013 5:06:21 AM

So if I decide to go with the 3570k and not to upgrade my PC for like 2 or 3 years I'll be just fine?
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August 23, 2013 5:21:54 AM

i5 4670k takes less power consumption when on idle so if you leave your computer on all day it saves some power there. AVX2 is on haswell cpu and a better igpu. Cost similar, motherboard is better with a z87 and they double thee gflops over sandy bridge or ivy bridge as they doubled the bitrate from 128bit to 256bit I believe on haswell.

3570k and 4670k not much difference really in real world applications, 4670k is probably about 7% better then ivy bridge at same clock speed.
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August 23, 2013 5:30:15 AM

If I'm not planning to do an extreme overclock will the 4670K do his job?
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August 23, 2013 5:39:44 AM

sando99 said:
So if I decide to go with the 3570k and not to upgrade my PC for like 2 or 3 years I'll be just fine?


Certainly! I'm still playing the latest games and compiling code on a Q6600 from 2008, so no problem. Both will do great OC. The only difference is the price vs a little bit power consumption. But of course you are free to choose, I'm can only state my opinion to help you decide.
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August 23, 2013 9:00:35 AM

Wouter Termont said:
sando99 said:
So if I decide to go with the 3570k and not to upgrade my PC for like 2 or 3 years I'll be just fine?


Certainly! I'm still playing the latest games and compiling code on a Q6600 from 2008, so no problem. Both will do great OC. The only difference is the price vs a little bit power consumption. But of course you are free to choose, I'm can only state my opinion to help you decide.


What will you tell me about this:

If I'm not planning to do an extreme overclock will the 4670K do his job?


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August 23, 2013 9:16:57 AM

sando99 said:
What will you tell about this:

If I'm not planning to do an extreme overclock will the 4670K do his job?


Both the 3570k and the 4670k are made for extreme overclocking (the former being a bit better because of better temperatures), so certainly not a problem. But this thread doesn't really help you decide does it? :p 

If I were you (but I'm not), I would choose the 3570k. It's cheaper, has lower temps en is thus more silently cooled, and the motherboard is cheaper. The 4670k has very few advantages to compensate that, such as a being a little more energy-efficient. But I can't choose for you of course.
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August 23, 2013 10:30:31 AM

Well, If 3570K will do fine like 3 years or so with no problem I'll probably go with it. Do you think it will do fine for 3 years or so?
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August 23, 2013 12:57:33 PM

sando99 said:
Well, If 3570K will do fine like 3 years or so with no problem I'll probably go with it. Do you think it will do fine for 3 years or so?


Yes, it will. You won't be playing games on ultra 4y from now, but it will play them on very high :p 
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August 23, 2013 12:57:50 PM

I decided to go with the i5-4670K because I don't really see a reason to invest money in a dead socket.
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August 23, 2013 1:10:42 PM

Here is the final build if anyone is interested:

ASRock Z87 Extreme4
I5-4670K /3.4G/6MB/BOX/LGA1150
Corsair DDR3 1600MHz 8GB (2X4 GB 1600 MHz)
Gigabyte GTX 760 OC Rev 2.0
WDC Black 750 GB 7200 RPM SATA 2 32 MB CACHE, later I'll be adding an SSD.
Seasonic SS-620W
FD CORE 3000
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August 23, 2013 1:19:43 PM

If you plan an upgrade in only 3 yrs the only thing to sway you should be price because either chip will play games the same enjoyment wise and there wont be any games they cant handle. Get the cooler cheaper 3570
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August 23, 2013 1:25:25 PM

They are both the same price in the store I'll buy from.
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August 23, 2013 1:31:44 PM

sando99 said:
Here is the final build if anyone is interested:

ASRock Z87 Extreme4
I5-4670K /3.4G/6MB/BOX/LGA1150
Corsair DDR3 1600MHz 8GB (2X4 GB 1600 MHz)
Gigabyte GTX 760 OC Rev 2.0
WDC Black 750 GB 7200 RPM SATA 2 32 MB CACHE, later I'll be adding an SSD.
Seasonic SS-620W
FD CORE 3000


Perfect :)  if you're pleased with the information we gave you, mark this topic as solved by selecting a best solution.

EDIT: posted simultaneous ... if the price is within marginal difference, just go for the 4670k of course :) 
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August 23, 2013 1:39:05 PM

Last two questions :D 

1. Which mobo is better: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 or MSI Z87-G45?

2. Will the stock cooler keep i5-4670K non-clocked cold?
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August 23, 2013 1:46:01 PM

sando99 said:
One last question :D  Which mobo is better: ASRock Z87 Extreme4 or MSI Z87-G45?


The Asrock has a few more/better connections and is a bit cheaper, I believe, but they don't differ that much.
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August 23, 2013 1:55:19 PM

Will the stock cooler keep i5-4670K non-clocked cold?
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August 23, 2013 1:57:34 PM

sando99 said:
Will the stock cooler keep i5-4670K non-clocked cold?


Yes, it will. But for more silence and certainly if you plan to OC, get another cooler. Noctua NH-D14 if you have the money, Scythe Mugen 3 Rev B PCGH if you don't.
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August 23, 2013 2:01:03 PM

Well, when I get the PC I'll start saving for cooler, SSD and a new monitor.
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August 23, 2013 2:06:56 PM

sando99 said:
Well, when I get the PC I'll start saving for cooler, SSD and a new monitor.


Excellent idea!
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August 23, 2013 2:25:06 PM

And one more question: When I get a good CPU cooler and want to overclock how I'll find the optimum settings for my PC such as CPU Voltage, MHz's and the other important stuff?
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August 23, 2013 3:52:01 PM

You should read some info about it (I'm sure there is a good sticky somewhere on the forum), and search for your specific parts, but in the end it's just trial and error.
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August 23, 2013 3:55:18 PM

Is it worth getting the 4770 (non-K) and a cheap H87 mobo for gaming or stick with the 4670K and z87 extreme4?
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August 24, 2013 1:07:05 AM

sando99 said:
Is it worth getting the 4770 (non-K) and a cheap H87 mobo for gaming or stick with the 4670K and z87 extreme4?


As long as you don't OC, that's certainly a good choice.
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August 24, 2013 3:11:57 AM

What would you choose:

4770 (non-k) + H87 OR
4670k + Z87
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August 24, 2013 3:37:00 AM

sando99 said:
What would you choose:

4770 (non-k) + H87 OR
4670k + Z87
?


4670k + Z87, no doubt :) 
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August 24, 2013 6:21:41 AM

Okay everybody, next week I'm starting to ordering the parts ^^ I'm soo excited! And I'm planning on building the PC myself, hope I don't mess something. It'll be my first build.

Greetings from rainy Bulgaria^^
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August 24, 2013 6:36:04 AM

Good luck and have fun building! :D 
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August 24, 2013 6:43:17 AM

Hope I don't mess something :D  Can you give me detailed tutorial on assembling the PC and detailed tutorial on the cable management? I will appreciate that.
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August 24, 2013 6:52:25 AM

You can find plenty of info on the web, and probably a good guide here on the forum :)  You really can't do much wrong though, no worries.
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August 24, 2013 7:02:03 AM

Ok, but for the user who selected your 3570K reply for a best solution, please select this Wouter Termont's answer as best solution
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Perfect :)  if you're pleased with the information we gave you, mark this topic as solved by selecting a best solution.

EDIT: posted simultaneous ... if the price is within marginal difference, just go for the 4670k of course :) 

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