New system - confused!

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to the forum, and signed up to get some advice on a new system, as my current one (Acer Aspire 'something' with 2.4Ghz q6600 CPU, 4 Go 800Mhz G-skill Ram, crappy 9600GS GPU...) is showing signs of weakness and has started crashing on me regularly (freezing, blue screen, black screen and all the delighting stuff :D).

I'm tired of formating the whole thing each time only to see the freezes come back after a few weeks...

Problem is I haven't kept up to pace with all the evolutions that were introduced during the last 4 years, and I'm kind of lost, chosing between all the parts (MOBO's with different kinds of sockets/CPU's/GPU's) :pt1cable:

My goal is to get a solid - and most of all evolutive - 'base' system (MOBO: socket? / PSU / CPU), put my old stuff in it (HDD/RAM/Dvd burner...) and then upgrade it with quality parts (GPU, RAM memory, ...) when I get the money / find good deals on them.

BUT, as I don't have an unlimited budget, I'm looking for what you might call 'the smartest solution' in terms of pricing / compatibility /quality and evolutivity.

Here is what I'm expecting to do with it:

- [when I get the GPU] play the games that were released during the last 3 years in 1080p at very high settings, specifically racing sims (iracing, shift2, rfactor2) and FPS (Far cry 3, crysis 2 & 3...)
- play the games that will be released during the next 2-3 years at high / medium high settings
- watch videos in full HD resolution
- Be able to put a very good sound card on the MOBO
- get at least HDMI/USB 3.0 and bluetooth connectivity, and any other technology you think will be useful in the near future

I don't care if it's AMD or Intel based, as long as meets my requirements.

I am aware that my post might be a little vague / confusing, but I'm far from being an expert in computer hardware and like I said I did not keep up with the market for 4 years...

Any help would be greatly appreciated guys :)
 
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While the 1155 is end of life, it is and will be a viable platform for your time frame. The maximus v is overkill IMO, but it is a good board.

If it were me, I'd go with an I5-3570K, ASRock Extreme 4 (or Asus P8Z77-V LK), and 8 to 16gb of 1866 LOW PROFILE memory (no heat spreaders) and a GFX 770 or 780 (if you can afford it). IMO, get the best SINGLE card gpu you can afford - SLI/Xfire is problematic with drivers (especially AMD) in several games. I'm not a big fan of the bells and whistles (bt, etc) on m/b's or for gaming - you will get input lags at the most inopportune times. If you really want kickass audio, get a sound card. Wireless on board is fine, but again, I prefer standalone solutions.

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It would be hard to give a figure since I don't live in the US or Canada / Europe, but let's say 'medium-high with a 'best bang for the buck' spirit. I don't know if that helps :p
 


talk about being aloof, and vague! Well it's kind of important to know what region/country your in, to make better decisions on price, as with exchange rates, different localised economic environments, the difference can ad up to a bigger better GPU or CPU which could mean a better computing experience.
so rough budget, and country would make life a lot easier :)
 

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Ok, so:

- rough budget GPU and 1To HDD INCLUDED (no SSD at the beginning) in USD: 1200/1300
- country: Morocco (North Africa); to give you a price comparison base, a Gigabyte Geforce GTX 570 Windforce OC GPU sells for around $260 here; an Asus P8Z77-V 1155 socket MOBO sells for $265 (based on today's exchange rate).
 

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Thanks for your quick reply man :)
If I take out the last 3 parts, wich I already own, and the SSD (leave it for later) then it should be $900...
I'll have to see how much it costs here, which is probably more...

For a gaming rig, would it be of any use to go for a 6 cores CPU?

 
There really aren't many games out there that will fully utilize that many cores. Not to say it won't happen in the future, but time will tell. Realize that the 1155 socket is now a dead end, but IMO until Intel shows me some BIG improvement in haswell, I can see no reason to pay more for equal umph.

If you wanted to go AMD, substitue the FX-6350 and change the motherboard to an ASRock 990FX extreme 3 or 4. 6 cores now and upgradeable to 8 with an FX-8350.

Note that neither the Intel or AMD m/b's I suggested have native bluetooth. I personally don't use bluetooth or wireless for that matter as I find there can be a lag in gaming. If you really want bt, get a pcie card for that.

Mark
 

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if 1155 is a dead end, then LGA 1150 wouldn't be, but like you said if there is not much improvement at the time being, why invest more...
I'm not much into keeping up with all the latest stuff released (I couldn't anyway, it would cost me a fortune), but rather into putting together a solid machine that will let me play the latest games in good conditions for the 3-4 years to come...

With that in mind, what do you think of the following parts:

- MOBO: ASUS MAXIMUS V Formula: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6850/asus-maximus-v-formula-z77-rog-review/9
- GPU: GTX 580 (GV-N580UD-15I, rev. 1.0) or 680 if i can afford it - in both cases it would be joined later by a twin sister in SLI...
- RAM: Kingston HyperX Beast 8GB DDR3-2400 Mhz

I found pretty decent deals on them, and I like the MOBO very much since it is a well built product, with all the fancy stuff I like (WIFI, BT and an imroved audio chip with integrated headphones amp).

What CPU do you think would best fit this configuration?



 
While the 1155 is end of life, it is and will be a viable platform for your time frame. The maximus v is overkill IMO, but it is a good board.

If it were me, I'd go with an I5-3570K, ASRock Extreme 4 (or Asus P8Z77-V LK), and 8 to 16gb of 1866 LOW PROFILE memory (no heat spreaders) and a GFX 770 or 780 (if you can afford it). IMO, get the best SINGLE card gpu you can afford - SLI/Xfire is problematic with drivers (especially AMD) in several games. I'm not a big fan of the bells and whistles (bt, etc) on m/b's or for gaming - you will get input lags at the most inopportune times. If you really want kickass audio, get a sound card. Wireless on board is fine, but again, I prefer standalone solutions.

Mark
 
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Thanks for your advice man, things really are clearer to me now :)
I don't think i can afford the 770, maybe I'll pick up the 680, or maybe even 580 and keep the SLI in mind if there is any improvements in the drivers to avoid lag in the future, unless it's more a hardware than a software issue...
 

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just one thing: when you talk about lags because of BT,/Wifi, do you mean that it's an architectural issue that will generate lags no matter what, or only if activated? I mean if turning them off before gaming resolves the problem i can always do that (i plan on having an ethernet connection anyway, what I really want is BT to be able to make file transfers 'on the fly' between my pc and smartphone, use BT remote control and keyboard rather than IR, etc).
 
My lag comment was directed at wireless/bt keyboards and mice for gaming. For file transfers from your phone or remote functions, bt is fine. If you're planning to have a wireless keyboard/mouse so you can sit on the couch and run your rig through the TV in comfort it's great. But if you are planning on gaming on your TV (or any other monitor), wired is the only way to go. Even a tiny lag can be disaster in gaming.

Mark
 

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That's what I intend to do with it yes :D
For gaming I'll be using either a wheel for racing sims or a wired keyboard / Xbox 360 pad using MS's adaptor.