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Is this Gaming PC worth it, or can i somehow cut down the price?

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August 24, 2013 2:44:38 AM

It will cost me around AU$2,098 and I'm wondering if it will be useful without upgrading for at least 5-6 years? and also if i could cut down the price, but get similar performance?

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August 24, 2013 3:49:31 AM

I would take it down to 16GB ram (I have 16GB and I never use all of it and I do heavy 3d rendering). Also the power supply is really expensive, try find a cheaper one if you can.
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August 24, 2013 3:53:35 AM

Wow, $300 ram amd a $250 MB are massive overkill. You only need 8Gb of ram, you can always add more later if you need it. That should shave $250 off your build. A ~$150 MB should be fine as well, saving you $100. Your PSU is not a good choice either. Cooler master doesn't make a great PSU and the wattage is overkill. For no SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600 for SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx750...
I could probably put a lot more in a $2000 build, would you want me to make you one? I don't know about the prices in AU though.
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August 24, 2013 5:58:00 AM

kirilmatthew said:
Wow, $300 ram amd a $250 MB are massive overkill. You only need 8Gb of ram, you can always add more later if you need it. That should shave $250 off your build. A ~$150 MB should be fine as well, saving you $100. Your PSU is not a good choice either. Cooler master doesn't make a great PSU and the wattage is overkill. For no SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600 for SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx750...
I could probably put a lot more in a $2000 build, would you want me to make you one? I don't know about the prices in AU though.


Instead of making me one, could you link me to some replacements for my motherboard? Preferably ones compatible with everything I've listed, oh, and a new case :)  and no thanks I would like to build it myself, it's educational and I can easily upgrade without hassle due to the experience
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August 24, 2013 6:01:18 AM

Matthew Randle said:
I would take it down to 16GB ram (I have 16GB and I never use all of it and I do heavy 3d rendering). Also the power supply is really expensive, try find a cheaper one if you can.


I do agree my power supply is expensive :)  and I want to buy the OS so I can be certain it's not a virus :D  I don't want to ruin a computer I just built :) 
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August 24, 2013 7:43:31 AM

GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
Wow, $300 ram amd a $250 MB are massive overkill. You only need 8Gb of ram, you can always add more later if you need it. That should shave $250 off your build. A ~$150 MB should be fine as well, saving you $100. Your PSU is not a good choice either. Cooler master doesn't make a great PSU and the wattage is overkill. For no SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600 for SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx750...
I could probably put a lot more in a $2000 build, would you want me to make you one? I don't know about the prices in AU though.


Instead of making me one, could you link me to some replacements for my motherboard? Preferably ones compatible with everything I've listed, oh, and a new case :)  and no thanks I would like to build it myself, it's educational and I can easily upgrade without hassle due to the experience


What I meant was put together a new list of parts for you to help you out! Sorry for the confusion. Would you like me to do this?
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August 24, 2013 4:57:48 PM

kirilmatthew said:
GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
Wow, $300 ram amd a $250 MB are massive overkill. You only need 8Gb of ram, you can always add more later if you need it. That should shave $250 off your build. A ~$150 MB should be fine as well, saving you $100. Your PSU is not a good choice either. Cooler master doesn't make a great PSU and the wattage is overkill. For no SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx600 for SLI: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx750...
I could probably put a lot more in a $2000 build, would you want me to make you one? I don't know about the prices in AU though.


Instead of making me one, could you link me to some replacements for my motherboard? Preferably ones compatible with everything I've listed, oh, and a new case :)  and no thanks I would like to build it myself, it's educational and I can easily upgrade without hassle due to the experience


What I meant was put together a new list of parts for you to help you out! Sorry for the confusion. Would you like me to do this?


Oh! Yes please :D  thank you
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August 24, 2013 5:45:50 PM

I spent a great deal of time on this rig, I hope you like it! http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kirilmatt/saved/2fhk
It would double gaming performance from your old build probably and will OC like a beast. Just one point I want to touch on is the GPU(s). I selected 2 770s in SLI, but I could have allocated as much as probably $1000 to GPUs. For a single monitor this build is perfect and facilitates future 3 way SLI should you need it. There are however other options. One option is the radeon 7990. It saves money on the GPUs( only $630 vs $800) but performs similar to the 770s in SLI. It also comes with 8 good free games. You could have added another 7970 in CF as well within budget. This however would be stupid because of bottlenecks and heat problems. There are a couple downsides to this route. The first is that, while CF has been fixed for the most part on single displays, it hasn't yet been fixed on multiple display gaming. This will change in the future, but it hasn't yet. The second issue is that some reviewers(certainly not all, I wouldn't even say most) report an annoying "coil whine" that affects the 7990. I'd say most don't, but its still something to consider. I'm sure you could RMA if you were affected, but sometimes quality beats out the better value of the 7990. The other option would be getting one 780 and SLI when you get more money, but its not really worth it. As for CPU, this was simply a personal choice. I was cutting it close on budget and AMD was cheaper and could probably OC a bit more as well. Both the i5 and FX are good for gaming. Should you want to go i5 it would be a simple change to the build. Hope you like it! :) 
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August 24, 2013 6:54:31 PM

kirilmatthew said:
I spent a great deal of time on this rig, I hope you like it! http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kirilmatt/saved/2fhk
It would double gaming performance from your old build probably and will OC like a beast. Just one point I want to touch on is the GPU(s). I selected 2 770s in SLI, but I could have allocated as much as probably $1000 to GPUs. For a single monitor this build is perfect and facilitates future 3 way SLI should you need it. There are however other options. One option is the radeon 7990. It saves money on the GPUs( only $630 vs $800) but performs similar to the 770s in SLI. It also comes with 8 good free games. You could have added another 7970 in CF as well within budget. This however would be stupid because of bottlenecks and heat problems. There are a couple downsides to this route. The first is that, while CF has been fixed for the most part on single displays, it hasn't yet been fixed on multiple display gaming. This will change in the future, but it hasn't yet. The second issue is that some reviewers(certainly not all, I wouldn't even say most) report an annoying "coil whine" that affects the 7990. I'd say most don't, but its still something to consider. I'm sure you could RMA if you were affected, but sometimes quality beats out the better value of the 7990. The other option would be getting one 780 and SLI when you get more money, but its not really worth it. As for CPU, this was simply a personal choice. I was cutting it close on budget and AMD was cheaper and could probably OC a bit more as well. Both the i5 and FX are good for gaming. Should you want to go i5 it would be a simple change to the build. Hope you like it! :) 


:D  thanks, oh and I'm not really fond of liquid cooling, with the risks that it can break, then my whole build would be ruined :/  do you have any other cooling methods in mind?

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August 25, 2013 2:10:49 AM

These closed loop liquid coolers are very safe, there is very little risk they will break and they are much more efficient then air cooling. You will not be able to get as good of an OC on air. However the best air cooler is probably this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14
I still highly recommend water though for a better OC and a quieter build. Almost everyone chooses liquid cooling at that price range.
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August 25, 2013 2:26:48 AM

kirilmatthew said:
These closed loop liquid coolers are very safe, there is very little risk they will break and they are much more efficient then air cooling. You will not be able to get as good of an OC on air. However the best air cooler is probably this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14
I still highly recommend water though for a better OC and a quieter build. Almost everyone chooses liquid cooling at that price range.


you have gotten yourself best answer, thanks for your help :) 
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August 25, 2013 2:27:49 AM

GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
These closed loop liquid coolers are very safe, there is very little risk they will break and they are much more efficient then air cooling. You will not be able to get as good of an OC on air. However the best air cooler is probably this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14
I still highly recommend water though for a better OC and a quieter build. Almost everyone chooses liquid cooling at that price range.


you have gotten yourself best answer, thanks for your help :) 


No problem! Happy building :) 
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August 25, 2013 2:39:49 AM

kirilmatthew said:
GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
These closed loop liquid coolers are very safe, there is very little risk they will break and they are much more efficient then air cooling. You will not be able to get as good of an OC on air. However the best air cooler is probably this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd14
I still highly recommend water though for a better OC and a quieter build. Almost everyone chooses liquid cooling at that price range.


you have gotten yourself best answer, thanks for your help :) 


No problem! Happy building :) 


LOL, one more thing, apparently the amd cpu you listed, isnt up to par with the i5 3570k? for gaming i mean
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August 25, 2013 3:00:07 AM

Its a much debated topic but here are the facts, and this is why I said replacing it with an i5 would be okay too. Firstly the i5 has much better single threaded performance while the FX has much better multithreaded performance. For this reason the FX excels in non-gaming applications while the i5 excels in traditional games. However there is more to it then that. In games not optimized for multiple cores, which are most currently on the market, there is a minor difference in frame rates(~5 fps or so). A couple, like planet side 2 and skyrim heavily favor the Intel chip(>10fps). For the games with minor difference it isn't really relevant because it will not impact playable settings and could be fixed with a good OC. As for skyrim and planet side, if you play those games avidly then Intel will perform better, even though OCing will help a lot. Some games perform equally or favor AMD(BF3/4 and Crysis 3 are examples). These games in some way show the future. Since you don't want to upgrade for a long time you will see more of these type of games. I have a couple links to demonstrate that devs will be coding for AMD and believe the FX has a better future as a gaming chip: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future...
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s...
The second link if from the plantside devs, a game heavily optimized for Intel. In other words, current games favor Intel's architecture a little, but this is bound to change in the future as devs pick up the tools to properly code for many cores. Hope this helps
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August 25, 2013 3:00:09 AM

Its a much debated topic but here are the facts, and this is why I said replacing it with an i5 would be okay too. Firstly the i5 has much better single threaded performance while the FX has much better multithreaded performance. For this reason the FX excels in non-gaming applications while the i5 excels in traditional games. However there is more to it then that. In games not optimized for multiple cores, which are most currently on the market, there is a minor difference in frame rates(~5 fps or so). A couple, like planet side 2 and skyrim heavily favor the Intel chip(>10fps). For the games with minor difference it isn't really relevant because it will not impact playable settings and could be fixed with a good OC. As for skyrim and planet side, if you play those games avidly then Intel will perform better, even though OCing will help a lot. Some games perform equally or favor AMD(BF3/4 and Crysis 3 are examples). These games in some way show the future. Since you don't want to upgrade for a long time you will see more of these type of games. I have a couple links to demonstrate that devs will be coding for AMD and believe the FX has a better future as a gaming chip: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future...
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s...
The second link if from the plantside devs, a game heavily optimized for Intel. In other words, current games favor Intel's architecture a little, but this is bound to change in the future as devs pick up the tools to properly code for many cores. Hope this helps
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August 25, 2013 3:11:50 AM

kirilmatthew said:
Its a much debated topic but here are the facts, and this is why I said replacing it with an i5 would be okay too. Firstly the i5 has much better single threaded performance while the FX has much better multithreaded performance. For this reason the FX excels in non-gaming applications while the i5 excels in traditional games. However there is more to it then that. In games not optimized for multiple cores, which are most currently on the market, there is a minor difference in frame rates(~5 fps or so). A couple, like planet side 2 and skyrim heavily favor the Intel chip(>10fps). For the games with minor difference it isn't really relevant because it will not impact playable settings and could be fixed with a good OC. As for skyrim and planet side, if you play those games avidly then Intel will perform better, even though OCing will help a lot. Some games perform equally or favor AMD(BF3/4 and Crysis 3 are examples). These games in some way show the future. Since you don't want to upgrade for a long time you will see more of these type of games. I have a couple links to demonstrate that devs will be coding for AMD and believe the FX has a better future as a gaming chip: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future...
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/05/the-ps4s...
The second link if from the plantside devs, a game heavily optimized for Intel. In other words, current games favor Intel's architecture a little, but this is bound to change in the future as devs pick up the tools to properly code for many cores. Hope this helps


thanks for the help, also, is it possible to replace your cpu after 2 years?

This is my last question, i have a feeling these endless questions are annoying to an extent :D 
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August 25, 2013 3:14:41 AM

The aren't annoying, if I were you'd I'd be asking all the questions I could! To answer your question, no you couldn't without upgrading your MB and maybe your Ram if DDR4 is out. It would be an expensive upgrade that's for sure. This would apply to either Intel or AMD. Feel free to ask any more questions :D 
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August 25, 2013 3:24:45 AM

kirilmatthew said:
The aren't annoying, if I were you'd I'd be asking all the questions I could! To answer your question, no you couldn't without upgrading your MB and maybe your Ram if DDR4 is out. It would be an expensive upgrade that's for sure. This would apply to either Intel or AMD. Feel free to ask any more questions :D 


haha ok, then, should i get Intel now or wait till next year? and also, will my build stay up to par with the computers in the next couple years.
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August 25, 2013 3:27:08 AM

kirilmatthew said:
The aren't annoying, if I were you'd I'd be asking all the questions I could! To answer your question, no you couldn't without upgrading your MB and maybe your Ram if DDR4 is out. It would be an expensive upgrade that's for sure. This would apply to either Intel or AMD. Feel free to ask any more questions :D 


oh and do cases come with fans or do i have to buy fans from an external source
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August 25, 2013 3:33:49 AM

GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
The aren't annoying, if I were you'd I'd be asking all the questions I could! To answer your question, no you couldn't without upgrading your MB and maybe your Ram if DDR4 is out. It would be an expensive upgrade that's for sure. This would apply to either Intel or AMD. Feel free to ask any more questions :D 


oh and do cases come with fans or do i have to buy fans from an external source


They come with fans. Sure, you can get better aftermarket ones but there's really not much point in it.
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August 25, 2013 6:07:26 PM

kirilmatthew said:
GamingCow said:
kirilmatthew said:
The aren't annoying, if I were you'd I'd be asking all the questions I could! To answer your question, no you couldn't without upgrading your MB and maybe your Ram if DDR4 is out. It would be an expensive upgrade that's for sure. This would apply to either Intel or AMD. Feel free to ask any more questions :D 


oh and do cases come with fans or do i have to buy fans from an external source


They come with fans. Sure, you can get better aftermarket ones but there's really not much point in it.


Oh and also, do i have to buy my own thermal paste or does intel supply them.
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August 26, 2013 1:54:40 AM

No, you do not need to buy any thermal paste
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October 5, 2013 9:00:24 AM

Go with Western Digital drives. Also, I would go with a Corsair PSU.
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