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August 24, 2013 10:21:09 AM

Is my computer better then a ps4? here it is...

RAM: 8GB DDR3

CPU: i5-4670k

GPU: GeForce gtx770

Monitor: 1920 x 1080 resolution

SSD 250 gb

HDD 2tb

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August 24, 2013 10:29:46 AM

yeah, i'd say it is, the gpu is better, ram is equivalent, cpu is better or equivalent, and you have way more space
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August 24, 2013 10:34:16 AM

Better hardware. Actual performance may be better or worse depending on optimization.
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August 24, 2013 10:34:47 AM

And i can overclock the CPU.... because of the "k"...
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August 24, 2013 10:35:58 AM

Gaming_dude said:
And i can overclock the CPU.... because of the "k"...


be careful about this. do you have an improved hsf?
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August 24, 2013 10:38:02 AM

It's really hard to compare PCs to game consoles.

Game consoles might have lower specs but they're better optimized for gaming since it's their only purpose.

As usual with any new console release, I expect the consoles to be better the first two years or something, but over time the PCs continue to progress so new GPU, graphics library, shadows, lightning effects etc... will be available on the PC and not the console.
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August 24, 2013 10:38:20 AM

Well, PS4 has custom CPU and GPU from AMD, so it's hard to say. Your GPU is better than PS4 AMD GCN, but it will be worse optimized for a lot of games.
In CPU sector it's hard to say, because PS4 is AMD 8 cores jaguar architecture, and yours 4 cores in haswell architecture.
Wait till PS4 will be realeased...
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August 24, 2013 10:39:06 AM

Gaming_dude said:
And i can overclock the CPU.... because of the "k"...


You would need an aftermarket cooler for that.

Stock cooler are fine at stock speed though.
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August 24, 2013 11:13:26 AM

MC_K7 said:
It's really hard to compare PCs to game consoles.

Game consoles might have lower specs but they're better optimized for gaming since it's their only purpose.


Not anymore they're not, have you seen all the social media crap and other ridiculous features the new generation has running in the background? The new consoles are probably going to be just as bloated as a Windows PC at this point, because apparently it is absolutely vital to be able to Skype somebody, watch football, and upload your game footage to youtube simultaneously while playing your game. Rumours going around that half the RAM and two of the 8 CPU cores on next gen are going to be devoted entirely to OS and social media functions aren't helping things. The new consoles will still get a bit more out of their hardware because they can optimize better to squeeze every last frame out of that specific GPU, but it won't be a huge gap.
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August 24, 2013 11:18:58 AM

Define better.

Performance will likely be better, since your hardware is vastly superior but console games will be better optimized, though not enough to make up for it. But, there will be games you miss out on,... actually thats all I can think of. You could argue price but PC games are cheaper and there are no subscription fees.
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August 24, 2013 11:22:16 AM

cookybiscuit said:
Define better.

Performance will likely be better, since your hardware is vastly superior but console games will be better optimized, though not enough to make up for it. But, there will be games you miss out on,... actually thats all I can think of. You could argue price but PC games are cheaper and there are no subscription fees.

You miss out on more games with a console than with a PC.
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August 24, 2013 12:01:31 PM

Sakkura said:
cookybiscuit said:
Define better.

Performance will likely be better, since your hardware is vastly superior but console games will be better optimized, though not enough to make up for it. But, there will be games you miss out on,... actually thats all I can think of. You could argue price but PC games are cheaper and there are no subscription fees.

You miss out on more games with a console than with a PC.

Depends on what games you like, alot of people don't care for MMO's, which seem to be the bulk of PC exclusives.
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August 24, 2013 2:20:44 PM

cookybiscuit said:
Depends on what games you like, alot of people don't care for MMO's, which seem to be the bulk of PC exclusives.

Not just MMOs. Tons of strategy games as well, RPGs, and indie games of all kinds. As well as older games. I can play PC games from the 90s just fine, but the new consoles won't even play games from last year.
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August 24, 2013 2:22:01 PM

hafijur said:
A PS4 gpu is in between the specs of a 7850 and 7870 with supposed new features of the 8000 series so your gtx770 is quite a bit better there. What peopl fail to realise is the cpu performance of the consoles is the weakest part of the consoles, the console cpu is similar to an i3 3220 in performance based on 4 core jaguar at same clock speed as consoles being half as fast as the i3. The consoles supposed to have more accelerators or helpers to assist it though and an apu with 8gb gddr5 ram in the ps4 to share for ram and graphics. Whats for sure is the i5 4670k will destroy the 8 core cpu in the consoles for performance.

The ps4 can be got for £319 and the reason why is because its equivalent to an entry level cpu and a decent graphics card.

It's 8 Jaguar cores, not just 4. But 8 Jaguar cores is still pretty weak. WAY weaker than an 8-core FX-8350.
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August 24, 2013 2:31:14 PM

Sakkura said:

It's 8 Jaguar cores, not just 4. But 8 Jaguar cores is still pretty weak. WAY weaker than an 8-core FX-8350.


Yes but as I said earlier it's almost impossible to make comparisons between PCs and consoles. The hardware in consoles is always weaker. But on the console the OS, software and games are all better optimized to run on this specific hardware.

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August 24, 2013 2:32:06 PM

dont listen to people above most of them are wrong

PS4 has 8 gb "unified ram" which means 8 gb for everything (that includes the gpu)

2gb- for GPU
2gb- for OS
4gb - for games

dont forget if all 8gb is used for games how can you livestream in background and download games?
and yh you dont livestream @1080p, instead you livestream on 720p using ps4 because it has low specs

as far as i m concerned about the gpu, your gpu is WAAAAAYYYYY better than PS4. PS4 has a mid range gpu and yours is better because you have higher bandwidth and extra clock speed

and for the cpu, your cu is also WWWAAAAYYYY faster than ps4's.

ps4 has 8 cores 1.66 ghz processor so it doesnt over heat xD

does ps4 have a ssd? no
does ps4 have faster HDD read/write speed than your? no
can ps4's gpu handle 4 monitors? no
can ps4 handle 4k like yours? no
can it livestream @1080p? no
your everything is better than ps4

you got 8 gb on your computer
so thats ~6.7 gb for games
you got 770 (assuming 3gb) which is 3gb gddr5 memory

you got ~9.7 gb just for games
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August 24, 2013 2:44:41 PM

Anurag dcb said:
dont listen to people above most of them are wrong

PS4 has 8 gb "unified ram" which means 8 gb for everything (that includes the gpu)

2gb- for GPU
2gb- for OS
4gb - for games

dont forget if all 8gb is used for games how can you livestream in background and download games?
and yh you dont livestream @1080p, instead you livestream on 720p using ps4 because it has low specs

as far as i m concerned about the gpu, your gpu is WAAAAAYYYYY better than PS4. PS4 has a mid range gpu and yours is better because you have higher bandwidth and extra clock speed

and for the cpu, your cu is also WWWAAAAYYYY faster than ps4's.

ps4 has 8 cores 1.66 ghz processor so it doesnt over heat xD

does ps4 have a ssd? no
does ps4 have faster HDD read/write speed than your? no
can ps4's gpu handle 4 monitors? no
can ps4 handle 4k like yours? no
can it livestream @1080p? no
your everything is better than ps4

you got 8 gb on your computer
so thats ~6.7 gb for games
you got 770 (assuming 3gb) which is 3gb gddr5 memory

you got ~9.7 gb just for games


This might be all true, but I was only talking about games appearance and graphics. I don't think the same game will look better on PC than on the PS4, at least not during the first few years. So as I said despite having lesser hardware consoles are better optimized.

For instance, the PS3 is getting old and recently I was comparing Dead Space 3 on my PC (full settings at 1920 x 1200) and my friend was playing the same game on his HDTV at 1080p. It's true that the graphics are slightly better on the PC, but the difference wasn't night and day, it was just tiny details, and I as I said the PS3 is kind of old now.
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August 24, 2013 2:48:37 PM

MC_K7 said:
Anurag dcb said:
dont listen to people above most of them are wrong

PS4 has 8 gb "unified ram" which means 8 gb for everything (that includes the gpu)

2gb- for GPU
2gb- for OS
4gb - for games

dont forget if all 8gb is used for games how can you livestream in background and download games?
and yh you dont livestream @1080p, instead you livestream on 720p using ps4 because it has low specs

as far as i m concerned about the gpu, your gpu is WAAAAAYYYYY better than PS4. PS4 has a mid range gpu and yours is better because you have higher bandwidth and extra clock speed

and for the cpu, your cu is also WWWAAAAYYYY faster than ps4's.

ps4 has 8 cores 1.66 ghz processor so it doesnt over heat xD

does ps4 have a ssd? no
does ps4 have faster HDD read/write speed than your? no
can ps4's gpu handle 4 monitors? no
can ps4 handle 4k like yours? no
can it livestream @1080p? no
your everything is better than ps4

you got 8 gb on your computer
so thats ~6.7 gb for games
you got 770 (assuming 3gb) which is 3gb gddr5 memory

you got ~9.7 gb just for games


This might be all true, but I was only talking about games appearance and graphics. I don't think the same game will look better on PC than on the PS4, at least not during the first few years. So as I said despite having lesser hardware consoles are better optimized.

For instance, the PS3 is getting old and recently I was comparing Dead Space 3 on my PC (full settings at 1920 x 1200) and my friend was playing the same game on his HDTV at 1080p. It's true that the graphics are slightly better on the PC, but the difference wasn't night and day, it was just tiny details, and I as I said the PS3 is kind of old now.


the difference is night and day.
xbox 360 vs pc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocVyrtcTpHw

and the best part is we dont have 8 year old acting bad on call of duty :D 
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August 24, 2013 3:01:29 PM

Anurag dcb said:
MC_K7 said:
This might be all true, but I was only talking about games appearance and graphics. I don't think the same game will look better on PC than on the PS4, at least not during the first few years. So as I said despite having lesser hardware consoles are better optimized.

For instance, the PS3 is getting old and recently I was comparing Dead Space 3 on my PC (full settings at 1920 x 1200) and my friend was playing the same game on his HDTV at 1080p. It's true that the graphics are slightly better on the PC, but the difference wasn't night and day, it was just tiny details, and I as I said the PS3 is kind of old now.


the difference is night and day.
xbox 360 vs pc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocVyrtcTpHw

and the best part is we dont have 8 year old acting bad on call of duty :D 


Well to me these are all small details, but the guy is making a big deal out of it. And this is only for a specific game. Most PC games today are only console ports so you don't always have the option to make them look better on PC, or it's just really small details.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer myself and I hate consoles. I play mostly first person shooters and real-time strategy, so I definitely want my keyboard + mouse combo. I also have a high-end IPS monitor which I prefer over a HDTV.

I was just saying that consoles are better optimized considering the "lesser" hardware. Just try to build a computer with the exact same specs (or very similar) to a XBOX 360 and try to play this game, you probably wouldn't be able to make the graphics look as good as on the XBOX. Same things applies to the new PS4, just try to get a PC with the exact same specs, I'm sure the games won't run as smoothly as on the PS4.
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August 24, 2013 3:07:45 PM

MC_K7 said:
Anurag dcb said:
MC_K7 said:
This might be all true, but I was only talking about games appearance and graphics. I don't think the same game will look better on PC than on the PS4, at least not during the first few years. So as I said despite having lesser hardware consoles are better optimized.

For instance, the PS3 is getting old and recently I was comparing Dead Space 3 on my PC (full settings at 1920 x 1200) and my friend was playing the same game on his HDTV at 1080p. It's true that the graphics are slightly better on the PC, but the difference wasn't night and day, it was just tiny details, and I as I said the PS3 is kind of old now.


the difference is night and day.
xbox 360 vs pc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocVyrtcTpHw

and the best part is we dont have 8 year old acting bad on call of duty :D 


Well to me these are all small details, but the guy is making a big deal out of it. And this is only for a specific game. Most PC games today are only console ports so you don't always have the option to make them look better on PC, or it's just really small details.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer myself and I hate consoles. I play mostly first person shooters and real-time strategy, so I definitely want my keyboard + mouse combo. I also have a high-end IPS monitor which I prefer over a HDTV.

I was just saying that consoles are better optimized considering the "lesser" hardware. Just try to build a computer with the exact same specs (or very similar) to a XBOX 360 and try to play this game, you probably wouldn't be able to make the graphics look as good as on the XBOX. Same things applies to the new PS4, just try to get a PC with the exact same specs, I'm sure the games won't run as smoothly as on the PS4.


i m not making big deal out of anything

but what i meant by 8 year olds were

- there are more dumb people playing online on consoles
- you said that you played on pc so you know that peopl who play online are intelligent and often better than console players
- i uses to own ps3 and i have to say there are way many kids in BO2 in psn than online on pc
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August 24, 2013 3:12:28 PM

Anurag dcb said:
MC_K7 said:

Well to me these are all small details, but the guy is making a big deal out of it. And this is only for a specific game. Most PC games today are only console ports so you don't always have the option to make them look better on PC, or it's just really small details.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer myself and I hate consoles. I play mostly first person shooters and real-time strategy, so I definitely want my keyboard + mouse combo. I also have a high-end IPS monitor which I prefer over a HDTV.

I was just saying that consoles are better optimized considering the "lesser" hardware. Just try to build a computer with the exact same specs (or very similar) to a XBOX 360 and try to play this game, you probably wouldn't be able to make the graphics look as good as on the XBOX. Same things applies to the new PS4, just try to get a PC with the exact same specs, I'm sure the games won't run as smoothly as on the PS4.


i m not making big deal out of anything

but what i meant by 8 year olds were

- there are more dumb people playing online on consoles
- you said that you played on pc so you know that peopl who play online are intelligent and often better than console players
- i uses to own ps3 and i have to say there are way many kids in BO2 in psn than online on pc


Lol, I said the guy in the video, not you.

Well, I think we're getting further from the initial subject...

All I was saying from the start is that it's kind of pointless to compare console hardware to PC hardware, because the firmware, OS and software are optimized very differently on both. This is why consoles get impressive results despite having weaker hardware. As I said, if you build a PC with the same specs as a console, you will never get the same performance out of it.

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August 24, 2013 3:28:19 PM

There are games that are worked on to look better on the PC (BF3), and those that are just made to run on the PC (Dead Space) and won't have better textures, or lighting or anything, so it will only look better in terms of AA, framerate and resolution.
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August 24, 2013 4:31:21 PM

MC_K7 said:
Sakkura said:

It's 8 Jaguar cores, not just 4. But 8 Jaguar cores is still pretty weak. WAY weaker than an 8-core FX-8350.


Yes but as I said earlier it's almost impossible to make comparisons between PCs and consoles. The hardware in consoles is always weaker. But on the console the OS, software and games are all better optimized to run on this specific hardware.


Why are you telling me that? I pointed out the same thing. I was just stating what the hardware itself was - 8 cores rather than 4, but SLOW cores. How the gaming performance turns out remains to be seen, but it's a given that the consoles will perform better than a hypothetical PC with the exact same hardware would.
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August 24, 2013 5:14:15 PM

Gaming_dude said:
Is my computer better then a ps4? here it is...

RAM: 8GB DDR3

CPU: i5-4670k

GPU: GeForce gtx770

Monitor: 1920 x 1080 resolution

SSD 250 gb

HDD 2tb


Lol, dude you stole my computer. Only difference between ours is I have a 3570k and a 1TB HDD. Everything else is the same.

Anyway the answer is most likely yes. If we're generous and rate the PS4 GPU to be as powerful as the HD7870 (more between a 7850 and 7870) then we get the following.
Geforce GTX 770 vs Radeon HD 7870
Memory Bandwidth

Theoretically speaking, the Geforce GTX 770 should be 46% quicker than the Radeon HD 7870 overall, because of its greater data rate. (explain


Also Digital Foundry did a video with Target Spec platforms for the Xbox One and PS4. Put it this way. On ultra settings in Bioshock Infinite the target spec platform for the PS4 struggles to get over 50 fps. The GTX 770 gets that easily.

Another thing to consider is that EA is setting Battlefield 4 at 720p for the next gen consoles to get 60fps.
Battlefield 4 Runs at 720p On PS4, Dashes Hopes Of A 1080p Generation

Gamescom: Battlefield 4's Graphics Lacking on PS4
First next-gen demo raises concerns.


So in short you have nothing to worry about. You will likely be able to play Watch Dogs, Assassins Creed 4, and Battlefield 4 with max settings at 1080p and still get 60fps easily.
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August 24, 2013 5:20:56 PM

Using the memory bandwidth of the 7870 as a proxy for the PS4 APU? Brilliant! They're only completely different on that particular aspect.
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August 24, 2013 5:53:53 PM

Sakkura said:
Using the memory bandwidth of the 7870 as a proxy for the PS4 APU? Brilliant! They're only completely different on that particular aspect.


The APU certainly gives it a boost but how much will it amount to in the end? As I posted before Battlefield 4 will be 720p for both next gen systems. We also have Killzone Shadow Fall playing at 30 fps.

Ubisoft 'aiming for locked 30FPS' with PS4 & Xbox One The Crew
60FPS unrealistic given the size of the world, dev claims.

PS4 Thief capped at 30fps, producer suggests - 60fps 'not a necessity'
Thief dev would prefer better physics to higher frame-rate on next-gen

I'm sorry but expecting the APU design to help put the PS4 on par with a PC thats equipped with a GPU in the $400 range is just ridiculous.

And for the record I will be buying a PS4 in the future so it's not like I'm wishing for the PS4 to have low to mid range graphics compared to current PC setups.
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August 24, 2013 5:58:27 PM

DirkXXVI said:
The APU certainly gives it a boost but how much will it amount to in the end?

What?

For crying out loud, the PS4 APU used a unified memory architecture. You're comparing dedicated GPU memory (7870) to memory shared between the GPU and the CPU (PS4). That makes NO sense whatsoever.
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August 24, 2013 6:03:54 PM

Sakkura said:
DirkXXVI said:
The APU certainly gives it a boost but how much will it amount to in the end?

What?

For crying out loud, the PS4 APU used a unified memory architecture. You're comparing dedicated GPU memory (7870) to memory shared between the GPU and the CPU (PS4). That makes NO sense whatsoever.


And what do you expect the end result to be? I agree that it's different but it's not to the point where we can't predict what the system will be able to do in terms of graphics. I've already posted numerous links of developers already watering down games to make them playable on the next gen consoles.

So I ask what do you expect the PS4 to be able to do graphically thanks to the APU design? I'm sorry but you're giving the PS4 way to much credit.
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August 25, 2013 1:07:36 AM

MC_K7 said:
Anurag dcb said:
MC_K7 said:

Well to me these are all small details, but the guy is making a big deal out of it. And this is only for a specific game. Most PC games today are only console ports so you don't always have the option to make them look better on PC, or it's just really small details.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer myself and I hate consoles. I play mostly first person shooters and real-time strategy, so I definitely want my keyboard + mouse combo. I also have a high-end IPS monitor which I prefer over a HDTV.

I was just saying that consoles are better optimized considering the "lesser" hardware. Just try to build a computer with the exact same specs (or very similar) to a XBOX 360 and try to play this game, you probably wouldn't be able to make the graphics look as good as on the XBOX. Same things applies to the new PS4, just try to get a PC with the exact same specs, I'm sure the games won't run as smoothly as on the PS4.


i m not making big deal out of anything

but what i meant by 8 year olds were

- there are more dumb people playing online on consoles
- you said that you played on pc so you know that peopl who play online are intelligent and often better than console players
- i uses to own ps3 and i have to say there are way many kids in BO2 in psn than online on pc


Lol, I said the guy in the video, not you.

Well, I think we're getting further from the initial subject...

All I was saying from the start is that it's kind of pointless to compare console hardware to PC hardware, because the firmware, OS and software are optimized very differently on both. This is why consoles get impressive results despite having weaker hardware. As I said, if you build a PC with the same specs as a console, you will never get the same performance out of it.



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