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August 26, 2013 11:26:55 AM

Hello everyone, I need to decide on a GPU for my new gaming rig. I was thinking about getting a Nvidia GTX 770 (2Gb version), but I heard that AMD was going to release their new Radeon 9000 series this fall.
I got especially interested when there were rumours that AMD would give away a free copy of Battlefield 4 with their 9000 cards... Since the main reason of this build was for Battlefield 4, then I guess I should probably wait for the release. However, I think I should consider performance over free games. Due to the next-gen consoles utilizing AMD GPUs, people told me to go with AMD because future games are likely going to be optimized for their products. I want to make sure if this is true. Btw, my current card is a Nvidia and it has performed well, so it's hard to decide which GPU brand to go with :??: 

Also, I would appreciate if anyone knows the release date, specs, and price of the 9000 series. If I do go with AMD, I'll probably buy a 9950 since I'm assuming it's Nvidia 770's counterpart.

Here's some games I'm interested in playing:

**Battlefield 4**
-Watchdogs
-Need for Speed Rivals
-Assassin's Creed 4
-Tom Clancy's Division
-Call of Duty Ghosts

Thanks in advance.
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August 26, 2013 11:33:36 AM

no one knows for certain what their price or performance is going to be, heck the rumour mill is even uncertain of the process node they'll be using and that is going to have a big effect on all the other things...
if you're not in a hurry then wait and see how it turns out. amd is having some sort of press day at Hawaii September 25th (iirc), they might tell something about them cards then...
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August 26, 2013 11:35:03 AM

Kari said:
no one knows for certain what their price or performance is going to be, heck the rumour mill is even uncertain of the process node they'll be using and that is going to have a big effect on all the other things...
if you're not in a hurry then wait and see how it turns out. amd is having some sort of press day at Hawaii September 25th (iirc), they might tell something about them cards then...


Alright, I think I'll wait then. Thanks.
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August 26, 2013 11:48:22 AM

We have to wait to see the actual performance level of the 9000 series, but the 9970 is shooting for the GTX 780/Titan level. We do know that they won't be available for purchase until October and the 9970 will be about $600. The 9950 will probably be much more expensive than the GTX 770. It will probably come with a free copy of BF4.
http://videocardz.com/45368/amd-hawaii-graphics-card-to...

You can also count on Nvidia price drops and even new Nvidia cards to be released around the time that the 9000 series is released.
http://videocardz.com/45403/nvidia-to-launch-more-cards...

There is no indication that AMD on consoles will mean that games will suddenly start working better on AMD cards. There are many reasons for this, but one of the best reasons is to look at current titles supposedly optimized for AMD which don't necessarily perform better in benchmarks; sometimes Nvidia cards even perform better.

Of course, on the flipside there are also several highly anticipated titles forthcoming, including some from your list, that will be optimized for Nvidia, including even some featuring GPU-accelerated PhysX: Call of Duty-Ghosts (PhysX), Splinter Cell Blacklist (TXAA, HBAO+, Phong Tesselation), XCOM-The Bureau Classified (PhysX), Witcher 3 (PhysX), Assassin's Creed 4 (TXAA), Batman Arkham City (PhysX), and Watch Dogs.
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/Releases/NVIDIA-and-Ubisof...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/26/splinter_cell...

Depending on your immediate needs, the best plan is to wait one month for the 9000 series to be announced, then wait another month to see how much they cost, what their availability is, and how much impact they have on the pricing of their Nvidia counterparts. If you can't wait two months, then a GTX 770 will serve you well regardless of how high the bar is set this autumn. And you will be guaranteed to be able to make the most of BF4 as well as some of the unique features on some of the other upcoming titles.
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August 26, 2013 12:04:12 PM

17seconds said:
We have to wait to see the actual performance level of the 9000 series, but the 9970 is shooting for the GTX 780/Titan level. We do know that they won't be available for purchase until October and the 9970 will be about $600. The 9950 will probably be much more expensive than the GTX 770. It will probably come with a free copy of BF4.
http://videocardz.com/45368/amd-hawaii-graphics-card-to...

You can also count on Nvidia price drops and even new Nvidia cards to be released around the time that the 9000 series is released.
http://videocardz.com/45403/nvidia-to-launch-more-cards...

There is no indication that AMD on consoles will mean that games will suddenly start working better on AMD cards. There are many reasons for this, but one of the best reasons is to look at current titles supposedly optimized for AMD which don't necessarily perform better in benchmarks; sometimes Nvidia cards even perform better.

Of course, on the flipside there are also several highly anticipated titles forthcoming, including some from your list, that will be optimized for Nvidia, including even some featuring GPU-accelerated PhysX: Call of Duty-Ghosts (PhysX), Splinter Cell Blacklist (TXAA, HBAO+, Phong Tesselation), XCOM-The Bureau Classified (PhysX), Witcher 3 (PhysX), Assassin's Creed 4 (TXAA), Batman Arkham City (PhysX), and Watch Dogs.
http://nvidianews.nvidia.com/Releases/NVIDIA-and-Ubisof...
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/26/splinter_cell...

Depending on your immediate needs, the best plan is to wait one month for the 9000 series to be announced, then wait another month to see how much they cost, what their availability is, and how much impact they have on the pricing of their Nvidia counterparts. If you can't wait two months, then a GTX 770 will serve you well regardless of how high the bar is set this autumn. And you will be guaranteed to be able to make the most of BF4 as well as some of the unique features on some of the other upcoming titles.


Thank you for the reply, Im glad that games won't suddenly perform "better" on AMD cards lol. I guess I'll wait a month then.
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August 28, 2013 1:42:06 AM

There is also the fact that most Nvidia cards will be more optimized for intel CPU's, as the AMD GPU's would be optimized for their CPU's. Of course an AMD processor and an Nvidia GPU will run fine, and vise versa with intel and amd GPU. However if I'm going to run a powerful i7 for example, I'd probably be someone who'd like my PC to be as optimum as possible, so I'd get Nvidia GPU's over AMD's but that's just my opinion. The difference you'd notice would be around 10 FPS if that. But from my experience in the past decade, intel + Nvidia or AMD with AMD. If you cross them over, technically it won't be quite as good as what it could be if that makes sense. Anyway that helps me with my decisions sometimes if price and specs won't help me decide.
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August 28, 2013 1:42:07 AM

There is also the fact that most Nvidia cards will be more optimized for intel CPU's, as the AMD GPU's would be optimized for their CPU's. Of course an AMD processor and an Nvidia GPU will run fine, and vise versa with intel and amd GPU. However if I'm going to run a powerful i7 for example, I'd probably be someone who'd like my PC to be as optimum as possible, so I'd get Nvidia GPU's over AMD's but that's just my opinion. The difference you'd notice would be around 10 FPS if that. But from my experience in the past decade, intel + Nvidia or AMD with AMD. If you cross them over, technically it won't be quite as good as what it could be if that makes sense. Anyway that helps me with my decisions sometimes if price and specs won't help me decide.
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August 28, 2013 2:59:40 AM

Raganark said:
There is also the fact that most Nvidia cards will be more optimized for intel CPU's, as the AMD GPU's would be optimized for their CPU's. Of course an AMD processor and an Nvidia GPU will run fine, and vise versa with intel and amd GPU. However if I'm going to run a powerful i7 for example, I'd probably be someone who'd like my PC to be as optimum as possible, so I'd get Nvidia GPU's over AMD's but that's just my opinion. The difference you'd notice would be around 10 FPS if that. But from my experience in the past decade, intel + Nvidia or AMD with AMD. If you cross them over, technically it won't be quite as good as what it could be if that makes sense. Anyway that helps me with my decisions sometimes if price and specs won't help me decide.

well that doesnt make any sense what so ever, got any links to prove what you've just said?

it is true though that current amd cpus aren't really fast enough to run a top tier graphics cards (both amd and nvidia) without bottlenecking them at some games while intel cpus will run them just fine (poor single thread perfromance on amd cpus). But pairing them up like that is complete BS.
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August 28, 2013 3:49:26 AM

Raganark said:
There is also the fact that most Nvidia cards will be more optimized for intel CPU's, as the AMD GPU's would be optimized for their CPU's. Of course an AMD processor and an Nvidia GPU will run fine, and vise versa with intel and amd GPU. However if I'm going to run a powerful i7 for example, I'd probably be someone who'd like my PC to be as optimum as possible, so I'd get Nvidia GPU's over AMD's but that's just my opinion. The difference you'd notice would be around 10 FPS if that. But from my experience in the past decade, intel + Nvidia or AMD with AMD. If you cross them over, technically it won't be quite as good as what it could be if that makes sense. Anyway that helps me with my decisions sometimes if price and specs won't help me decide.


Beyond Bull**it
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August 28, 2013 4:07:21 AM

It's not bs. Look it up. These days it's not a big deal but back in the day when the companies were young it did matter. But why will intel make their CPU based around their competitor's gpu? They'd do compatibility tests only. However they'll do every other test with Nvidia. There was once a time were they didn't do compatibility tests and there were major issues back in the day. Just ask any IT professional that has been in the industry for more than 20 years. They'll all tell that intel run best with Nvidia and ATI will run best with AMD. AMD gpu's won't bottleneck their recommended AMD CPU. You'll notice they'll only recommend their own CPU. Run tests yourself using an intel processor. The top nvidia cards will always beat the top AMD card on an intel CPU. Only trying to help you out, some AMD fanboys might disagree but unfortunately benchmarks don't lie.
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August 28, 2013 4:08:26 AM

AMD may have gotten a heck of a deal with the consoles, but that doesn't give them the edge. Games maybe optimized for AMD hardware, but I'm pretty sure Nvidia cards can still perform as good as their AMD counterparts.

As for the card, I suggest you wait first just to be sure. But if you're impatient like me (who'll be getting a 650 ti boost or 760 soon), might as well get the 770 now.
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August 28, 2013 4:12:42 AM

Ravyu said:
Raganark said:
There is also the fact that most Nvidia cards will be more optimized for intel CPU's, as the AMD GPU's would be optimized for their CPU's. Of course an AMD processor and an Nvidia GPU will run fine, and vise versa with intel and amd GPU. However if I'm going to run a powerful i7 for example, I'd probably be someone who'd like my PC to be as optimum as possible, so I'd get Nvidia GPU's over AMD's but that's just my opinion. The difference you'd notice would be around 10 FPS if that. But from my experience in the past decade, intel + Nvidia or AMD with AMD. If you cross them over, technically it won't be quite as good as what it could be if that makes sense. Anyway that helps me with my decisions sometimes if price and specs won't help me decide.


Beyond Bull**it


All components are interchangeable, and one setup isn't favorable over the other. Be it, and AMD CPU-Nvida GPU, or Intel CPU-AMD GPU combo will work just fine. IF it does affect performance WHICH I DOUBT, it's going to be barely noticeable.
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August 28, 2013 5:15:35 AM

Look games arent programmed to run on AMD or nVidia hardware games are programed in API DIRECTX which depends on quality of GPU drivers . Games wont be optimized for AMD because on PC devs cant program for hardware but for directx.
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August 28, 2013 5:35:05 AM

exsomaniac said:
Look games arent programmed to run on AMD or nVidia hardware games are programed in API DIRECTX which depends on quality of GPU drivers . Games wont be optimized for AMD because on PC devs cant program for hardware but for directx.

Alright, I'll keep that in mind.
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August 28, 2013 5:43:05 AM

For a game like BF4, it won't really matter if it's AMD or Nvidia, just make sure it's a GTX 770/AMD 7970 or higher. (7970 probably not as good as the 770 but the new AMD cards coming out soon probably will be). Don't be afraid to buy a 770 now, it's not really worth the wait if you're waiting for a card that might perform 5% better for the same price. If you want something better than the 770 right now, just spend a bit extra for the 780, it's worth it, very powerful GPU.
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August 28, 2013 6:08:27 AM

Raganark said:
For a game like BF4, it won't really matter if it's AMD or Nvidia, just make sure it's a GTX 770/AMD 7970 or higher. (7970 probably not as good as the 770 but the new AMD cards coming out soon probably will be). Don't be afraid to buy a 770 now, it's not really worth the wait if you're waiting for a card that might perform 5% better for the same price. If you want something better than the 770 right now, just spend a bit extra for the 780, it's worth it, very powerful GPU.


Yea, I was interested in the 780, but maybe later as an upgrade. I forgot to add in my original post, but I had this concern that 2Gb of vram on the 770 wouldnt be enough, as some people have told me before. The 7970 has 3Gb of Vram for the same price...
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August 28, 2013 6:53:37 AM

770 outperforms the 7970 in almost every way except for the vram on it. But it's not a big deal, if you want more ram, just get the 4gb version of the 770 or the 780
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August 28, 2013 6:59:37 AM

Raganark said:
770 outperforms the 7970 in almost every way except for the vram on it. But it's not a big deal, if you want more ram, just get the 4gb version of the 770 or the 780


Yes, who wouldnt get the 4gb version if money wasnt a problem -.- lol
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August 28, 2013 8:01:06 AM

Remember it's alpha and it's not optimized. That's also MAX graphics, and it's a NEW game so expect it to use more RAM, more CPU power and MORE GPU power. 770 should do ok, but if you wanna be 100% safe, maybe get the 780 or wait for new AMD cards maybe (no idea if they're gonna be good or not). What I'm going to do is get a 780 and see how that goes, worst case can always get another and SLI it, since the card will become cheaper when new cards release.
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August 28, 2013 8:25:31 AM

Raganark said:
Remember it's alpha and it's not optimized. That's also MAX graphics, and it's a NEW game so expect it to use more RAM, more CPU power and MORE GPU power. 770 should do ok, but if you wanna be 100% safe, maybe get the 780 or wait for new AMD cards maybe (no idea if they're gonna be good or not). What I'm going to do is get a 780 and see how that goes, worst case can always get another and SLI it, since the card will become cheaper when new cards release.


True the 770/780/and both cards in sli is the way to go and also people can wait for the 9000s as well but if what i hear is true nvidia going to be dropping bombs early next year we have to see

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August 28, 2013 9:22:16 AM

Yes the 800 series "maxwell" coming out sometime next year. But I don't think it'll be that early to be honest. I heard they might not be on shelf until June. Also BF4 will be out way before then anyway but if you wanna go cheap cards now and then get an 800 series when they launch, that's up to you, but I think the 780 SLI will be good enough for me for a few years at least.
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August 28, 2013 9:40:14 AM

Raganark said:
Yes the 800 series "maxwell" coming out sometime next year. But I don't think it'll be that early to be honest. I heard they might not be on shelf until June. Also BF4 will be out way before then anyway but if you wanna go cheap cards now and then get an 800 series when they launch, that's up to you, but I think the 780 SLI will be good enough for me for a few years at least.


Yea the 780s in SLI is the same direction im going with the upgrade to 1440p
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August 28, 2013 3:32:30 PM

lol
theres no way maxwell is going to launch in q1 14 @20nm
paper launch maybe...

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August 28, 2013 3:55:28 PM

Kari said:
lol
theres no way maxwell is going to launch in q1 14 @20nm
paper launch maybe...



Im still waiting..Amd is going to drop a bomb then nvidia will drop bombs thats generally how it works

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September 17, 2013 11:48:26 AM

Raganark said:
It's not bs. Look it up. These days it's not a big deal but back in the day when the companies were young it did matter. But why will intel make their CPU based around their competitor's gpu? They'd do compatibility tests only. However they'll do every other test with Nvidia. There was once a time were they didn't do compatibility tests and there were major issues back in the day. Just ask any IT professional that has been in the industry for more than 20 years. They'll all tell that intel run best with Nvidia and ATI will run best with AMD. AMD gpu's won't bottleneck their recommended AMD CPU. You'll notice they'll only recommend their own CPU. Run tests yourself using an intel processor. The top nvidia cards will always beat the top AMD card on an intel CPU. Only trying to help you out, some AMD fanboys might disagree but unfortunately benchmarks don't lie.


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September 17, 2013 11:55:49 AM

Just want to jump on-board as I see the dumb-ass "fan-boys" getting ready to chime in with their (2) cents worth of knowledge...Raganark is 100% correct AMD is best paired with AMD and Intel is best paired with Nvidia. Nvidia works VERY closely with Intel when they design their GPU for optimized performance this is the reason why...and YES I work in the industry so I'd like to think I know a little more than you! Also my boss (who possesses a MASTERS DEGREE in computer science) also agree's, if you want detailed info on why this is...then instead of attacking people who obviously know MORE than you go and spend your time on the internet LEARNING SOMETHING instead of trolling! In any event I have to get back to work...
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September 17, 2013 12:09:02 PM

nocturnal2048 said:
Just want to jump on-board as I see the dumb-ass "fan-boys" getting ready to chime in with their (2) cents worth of knowledge...Raganark is 100% correct AMD is best paired with AMD and Intel is best paired with Nvidia. Nvidia works VERY closely with Intel when they design their GPU for optimized performance this is the reason why...and YES I work in the industry so I'd like to think I know a little more than you! Also my boss (who possesses a MASTERS DEGREE in computer science) also agree's, if you want detailed info on why this is...then instead of attacking people who obviously know MORE than you go and spend your time on the internet LEARNING SOMETHING instead of trolling! In any event I have to get back to work...

well your boss isn't the only one who has MSc in their CVs
go home kid...

edit lol just noticed you couldn't even get the quote right
seriously not impressed.
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December 17, 2013 11:11:10 AM

I was typing "in a rush" as I actually have a job...but in any event, you can believe what ever you want and I couldn't give a damn if you're impressed or not! The simple fact is that YES you can run AMD with Intel, or Nvidia with AMD but from everything that people who have WAY MORE knowledge than YOU or ME have said...AMD with AMD and Intel with Nvidia is the best way to build...
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December 17, 2013 11:20:11 AM

nocturnal2048 said:
I was typing "in a rush" as I actually have a job...but in any event, you can believe what ever you want and I couldn't give a damn if you're impressed or not! The simple fact is that YES you can run AMD with Intel, or Nvidia with AMD but from everything that people who have WAY MORE knowledge than YOU or ME have said...AMD with AMD and Intel with Nvidia is the best way to build...


umm you might have not noticed but I've been on this site since 2004, started fidling with computers in the 286-era etc.. So I'd like to think I've learnt something along the way...
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