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August 26, 2013 1:37:22 PM

Hi. I have 2 Sapphire 7950s and need a new case for them. Which of these do you think is best for dual-gpu setup? I want to keep the cards cool as I intend to overclock sometimes.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those are some of the options. I see some for 80 bucks and I'd like to spend that much. But there are the more expensive ones and if they are really better I might be willing to spend more.

Which would you choose?

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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 1:40:54 PM

I wouldn't go for a R4 with a dual GPU setup, the 500R would likely be the best. But really, just pick one you like the look of.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 1:44:40 PM

Please use names instead of links ..... I'm old and don't wanna get RSI :) 

500R is the easy pick ..... I have done at least half dozen builds with 500R and twin cards ....all went smooth
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 1:48:23 PM

Yeah out of those 500R is the easy pick, another one to consider: NZXT Phantom 630 $149.
Or the NZXT H630 for the same price.
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 1:48:34 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
Hi. I have 2 Sapphire 7950s and need a new case for them. Which of these do you think is best for dual-gpu setup? I want to keep the cards cool as I intend to overclock sometimes.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those are some of the options. I see some for 80 bucks and I'd like to spend that much. But there are the more expensive ones and if they are really better I might be willing to spend more.

Which would you choose?


I would recommend either the Corsair Carbide 500R for air cooling, or Obsidian 550D for water cooling.
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August 26, 2013 1:51:00 PM

Thanks for the replys guys. I'm going to move my Alienware liquid CPU cooler over. The rest will be air.

I was actually really leaning towards the R4, but if it's not good for dual-gpu I won't take it. I'll check out the ones you guys mentioned.

By the way. Just curious why the R4 is not good for DUal-GPu :)  Thanks

Oh and sorry about that Jack, I really should have just asked which case from 80 to 130 bucks you would recommend. That would have been simpler lol
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 1:56:06 PM

R4 is no good because its silence optimized, the intake is very restricted.
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:01:39 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
Thanks for the replys guys. I'm going to move my Alienware liquid CPU cooler over. The rest will be air.

I was actually really leaning towards the R4, but if it's not good for dual-gpu I won't take it. I'll check out the ones you guys mentioned.

By the way. Just curious why the R4 is not good for DUal-GPu :)  Thanks

Oh and sorry about that Jack, I really should have just asked which case from 80 to 130 bucks you would recommend. That would have been simpler lol


The airflow inside the case is not nearly as good as the others even with one card and 2 especially with the cards blowing partly into the case would compromise that even further, where as the others manage to move air better.
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August 26, 2013 2:04:56 PM

Ok thanks for the answer. The things I liked about the R4 are...

It's supposedly quiet, I think it has a dust filter for the front fans, an extra PCI thing there for mounting a bracket ( I was told this would be Ideal for the fan pointed at the cards), good wire management and sleek design. I guess none of these things are terribly vital.

The Carbides huge fan on the panel looks promising. It's probably better than having a fan on a bracket in the R4 and I'd save money on buying an extra fan.

So I'm going to get the Carbide but I have a couple last questions please.

I normally game with a headset so sound isn't that important but hows the carbide on sound? Does it have good cable management? And most importantly does it have good airflow and will it keep my cards cool? Thanks a bunch :) 
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:11:18 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
Ok thanks for the answer. The things I liked about the R4 are...

It's supposedly quiet, I think it has a dust filter for the front fans, an extra PCI thing there for mounting a bracket ( I was told this would be Ideal for the fan pointed at the cards), good wire management and sleek design. I guess none of these things are terribly vital.

The Carbides huge fan on the panel looks promising. It's probably better than having a fan on a bracket in the R4 and I'd save money on buying an extra fan.

So I'm going to get the Carbide but I have a couple last questions please.

I normally game with a headset so sound isn't that important but hows the carbide on sound? Does it have good cable management? And most importantly does it have good airflow and will it keep my cards cool? Thanks a bunch :) 


Like other higher end corsair cases, cable management should be a breeze in the Carbide.
The fans are not obnoxiously loud, you wouldn't want to have the computer next to your ear but most likely your GPU fan will make more noise than the cases fans. And of course there is a fan controller in it so you can adjust the fanspeeds to the proper settings so that noise is reduced to a minimum.
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August 26, 2013 2:11:47 PM

Let me make this easier. Is the general consensus that the Carbide 500R is best case under 160 bucks for what I'm trying to do?
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:14:26 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
Oh and sorry about that Jack, I really should have just asked which case from 80 to 130 bucks you would recommend. That would have been simpler lol


No worries.....last week the 500R was $70 ..... every other week newegg discounts either their white one or black one to that level.

And yes, it has dust filters, yes it has astounding cable management ....it's extremely quiet....comes with 4 fans pre-installed and has mounts for 6 more !!!!

AND... you can fit a Phanteks PH-TC14-PE CPU cooler inside without hitting the 200m fan .... or you can use this (fans in attic and rad inside)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


If ya wanna droll about air and water cooling capabilities..... look at the $250 Enthoo....amazing load of options in a $250 package .... 15 fan mounts ...and a dozen radiator options
http://phanteks.com/#&panel1-1&panel2-1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/Enthoo_Prim...
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August 26, 2013 2:15:41 PM

Thanks for all your replies guys. I really appreciate it you all help me tremendously. And sorry for all the questions I'm just a clueless noob :) 
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August 26, 2013 2:17:13 PM

Wow they really discount one of them to that low? The black one is 130 bucks right now. The white one is 120. Any difference between the two besides the color?
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August 26, 2013 2:18:46 PM

My R4 with SLI 670s is fine for airflow lol.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:19:50 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
Wow they really discount one of them to that low? The black one is 130 bucks right now. The white one is 120. Any difference between the two besides the color?


Yes every other week ...last night white was $99

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August 26, 2013 2:22:25 PM

Eldoure what are the temps of your GPUs under load? Are you overclocking them?

Jack thanks for letting me know about that. I'm usually very impatient when it comes to these things and want it NOW! lol. I may wait though.
Also that Enthoo case looks really good but It's expensive. How much better do you think that one is than the Carbide?
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a b K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:23:59 PM

I wouldn't worry about noise, a case with good airflow will usually be quieter than a sound dampened case anyway as you can turn down fans without exceeding thermal limits. I filled my case with sound dampening foam and it only really affected coil whine and hard drive noise.
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August 26, 2013 2:27:24 PM

Yep, I'm really not overly concerned with the noise. I mean I play with the headset on and can't hear a thing unless the headset is quiet.

The most important thing for me is that my cards and CPU stay cool. The CPU has a liquid cooler so it's fine. I really like that huge fan on the carbides panel. I didn't know techpowerup reviews all these cases as well as hardware. That's good :)  The carbide has only 2 cons and one of them is that dust can easily get into it. I guess it doesn't have a dust filter like the R4 but I can always use my compressed air can to clean it out.

Only other thing is the price. It's more expensive but if it's really that good I think it would be well worth it.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 2:47:47 PM

Corsair 500R has dust filters.....

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=co...

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Corsair Carbide 500R Features

Excellent cooling capacity
USB 3.0 support
SSD support in all 3.5" drive bays
Thumb-screws on front and back panels
Thumb-screws on PCI slots
Tool-less 5.25" drive installation
Tool-less 3.5" drive installation
Integrated dust filters
Black painted interior
8 Expansion slots
Supports video card up to 17.8"
Room for 240mm radiator
3x 120mm fans
1x 200mm fan
Multi-channel fan controller
Movable /configurable drive bays
Large CPU cutout
Large holes for cable routing
Rubber grommets on cabling holes
Extra space under motherboard tray for cabling
USB 3.0 to USB 2.0 adapter for front IO ports


not on top tho.....those are exhaust ports.... I imagine you can add one to 200mm fan
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g47/c223/s1092/list/p1/...

I have to say, I never had an opportunity to check out the 200mm fan ..... on each of the 500R builds I have done, I installed OS, tweaked the settings and all w/ doors off, loaded up utilities and software and then the owner whisked it outta here the moment I mounted the side panel :) 
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August 26, 2013 3:40:04 PM

I went to my computer guy and told him I found a new case... the 500R. He checked it out and said it a bit cheaply made because it's all plastic and such. He still likes the Fractal R4 but in the end it's my decision and from everything you guys have told me, I think I'll go with the 500R. I also told him about the giant fan on the panel of the 500R and he said they are usually not that great or fail after a year and then it can be difficult to find a replacement because it's specific. He said a good fan costs atleast 20 bucks and this 500R has 4 fans in it. He meant to say that they must not be such good fans otherwise how would they make any profit.

I like the aesthetics of the R4. It's sleek and stylish. But looks won't keep my cards cool.

Now on another note. I need a new CPU and Motherboard to go into this case. I'm thinking the i5-4670k since the prices of all these i5s are very similar. The 4670k is the most expensive but it's only about 20 bucks more than a 3570k. I've never overclocked a CPU but I'm fairly certain I won't be seeing any bottlenecks with the 4670k even if it isn't overclocked. Someone told me yesterday that I should just give it a mild overclock, about 10% and leave it at that.

Is this the 4670k the right choice? And if it is what motherboard should I get? I want one with good spacing between the PCI slots. I was told that it's better to get the z87 rather than the h87. Byogaming recommended the MSI gaming z87 motherboard. I like how it looks and the price is good.
But would I be better off going for an Asus?

As always thanks a ton for the help. It is much appreciated.
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August 26, 2013 3:56:27 PM

Thanks man. I'm reading the reviews now and I'm already pretty firm on the Carbide.

Any chance I could get some help with the CPU and Mobo? I play some CPU bound games. MMORPGs in particular. I assume the 4670k is my best bet right now.

And the motherboard z87 Asus or MSI?
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 4:04:25 PM

Well the best part about the MSI Z87 GD-65 is this installation video :) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvNnv7nh2Es

Whatz ya budget ?

If $300 ya can install this w/ the 240L as is shown on Asus web site



The cooler loop can be expanded to include the MoBo liquid water cooling as shown above.....most pleasant to look at

And yes, the 4670k is the way to go for a gaming box. The Asus Hero is a nice alternative to the GD-65, but in Asus' videos, ya only get to look at JJ for install instructions :) 



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August 26, 2013 4:10:00 PM

I wanted to spend about 500 for all 3 items. Someone recommended that red Asus motherboard to me but it was 300 bucks. I would prefer not to spend that much on the motherboard if it isn't necessary. I will only be liquid cooling the CPU with my small Alienware Liquid cooler (not sure about the exact model or specs of it). What I would like to have is good spacing between the PCIe slots.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 4:23:54 PM

Pavel Pokidaylo said:
I wanted to spend about 500 for all 3 items. Someone recommended that red Asus motherboard to me but it was 300 bucks. I would prefer not to spend that much on the motherboard if it isn't necessary. I will only be liquid cooling the CPU with my small Alienware Liquid cooler (not sure about the exact model or specs of it). What I would like to have is good spacing between the PCIe slots.


yes, i quoted the $300 price tag above the picture.... at $200 ya have the Asus Hero, and at $190ish ya have the GD-65 I listed above

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_ga...

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MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

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Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.


And again, it's got that great installation video I linked to above :) 

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August 26, 2013 4:29:29 PM

Ok thanks again. I will look into the motherboards. I've read the entire review for the Carbide. At the end there they say the NSXT phantom is similar and I think it's cheaper (around 99 bucks). It also got a tad bit higher score from the 9.40 vs carbides 9.25. I still like the carbide though. What do you think?
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 4:43:11 PM

For me and most of the peeps over 21 I build for, it's the carbide. I find the Phantom's case styling to aggressive.... but when Dad's come over w/ their teens for a build, the younger boyz seem to favor the Phantom...all comes down to what ya like.

Which Phantom BTW ? I think you looking at this review fir the "Phantom Phan-00" something:

http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=co...

That's a $120 case .... The $99 case is the Phantom 410....different animal

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August 26, 2013 5:17:17 PM

Yea I don't really like the look of the phantom. I mean this whole thing started out with my favoring the R4 which is totally sleek lol. Anyway...
I just saw my computer guy again and told him the pictures of the carbide on newegg are bad so he looked at it on the official site and changed his mind. He said it actually looks very good and even better than the fractal for what we want to do. That review says the Fractal is good too but with the fracta l we'd have to mount a bracket for an extra fan. That would be annoying and would make it more difficult to get to the GPUs and work inside the case. The Carbide has a big ass fan on the panel so he agreed it's the better choice. I really like the sleek look of the R4 but I like the look of my Aurora even better and unfortunately I can't keep it so... I'll be going with the Carbide. Now I just need to decide if I want the white or black one.

Now that we've got that out of the way... would you recommend the Asus motherboard over the MSI? my computer guy told me to go with the Asus. If not for the better quality then for the warranty and support. They both look really cool. The Asus is gold and black and the MSI is Red and black.
Do you agree with my computer guy about the Asus? It's 50 bucks more which isn't huge but it's something.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
August 26, 2013 5:30:06 PM

Ummm....which Asus .... there are 38 Asus Z87 Motherboards.....

these are the boards I generally use....

$300 (holy crap just went up to $332) .... Asus Maximus VI Formula
$210 ... Asus Z87 Herp
$190 ... MSI Z87-GD-65
$170 ....MSI Z87-G45
$155 ....Asus Z87-A

To my mind.....and the reviewers (see quotes above) ... the GD-65 well worth the bang for the buck and is the better board even if I prefer the Asus BIOS and OC tools.

Again, show the puter guy the reviews I listed above .... if that don't work, show him the installation video and your choice will be made for ya :) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvNnv7nh2Es

She assembled the puter in 4:16 .... ask if he can beat that :0
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August 26, 2013 5:41:10 PM

Lol what the hell 38 z87s? I thought there were just the two you mentioned and the red one omg...daunting

Thanks for all the help man. I'll consult with the computer guy again tommorow and show him the reviews and installation video.
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