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August 26, 2013 8:38:34 PM

Was looking at the Gigabyte Z87 LGA 1150 however can't find many reviews on it. I'm 100% set on that chip. i will be running 2 amd 6970's in crossfire, i'd like 16gb of ram. i'll be using a ssd for my main drive and 2 raptors in raid 0 for my storage. all going inside a corsait 600t case.

can anyone suggest a board better than the gigabyte i listed above? im good with the $200 price range.
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August 26, 2013 8:45:15 PM

hatebreeder said:
Was looking at the Gigabyte Z87 LGA 1150 however can't find many reviews on it. .... im good with the $200 price range.


Gigabyte has thirty six Z87 1150 MoBos .... which one ya mean ? Best MoBo under $200 is the MSI GD-65
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_ga...

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MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

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Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.


Your planning ion using existing 6970s or buying new ? If the later no..... CF is still broken and that's old tech .... still very viable but given the CF issues and end of life status....I wouldn't invest in them today and new purchase.

RAM - $140 - (2 x 8GB) Muskin CAS 9 DDR3-1866 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAID really offers no tangible benefits other than benchmarks, video editing and highly specialized applications.
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August 27, 2013 7:33:00 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
hatebreeder said:
Was looking at the Gigabyte Z87 LGA 1150 however can't find many reviews on it. .... im good with the $200 price range.


Gigabyte has thirty six Z87 1150 MoBos .... which one ya mean ? Best MoBo under $200 is the MSI GD-65
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_ga...

Quote:
MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

Quote:
Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.


Your planning ion using existing 6970s or buying new ? If the later no..... CF is still broken and that's old tech .... still very viable but given the CF issues and end of life status....I wouldn't invest in them today and new purchase.

RAM - $140 - (2 x 8GB) Muskin CAS 9 DDR3-1866 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAID really offers no tangible benefits other than benchmarks, video editing and highly specialized applications.


Thank you so much for the informative post. i really appreciate it. i'd be using the 6970's i already have. so i'll just keep my existing h.d.'s then. 2 followup general quesitons.

1.) was looking at water cooling my cpu with this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). is this a good investment? will it mount in pretty much any case?

2.) The Ram. last time i built a board i just went to the mobo manufacturer site and looked through the QVL list. however that was 6 years ago and i can't seem to find one for that board. that ram is tested in the gd-65? i see its default without overclocking is 1866. i just install and it should hit that speed at triple channel right? or do i need to load profiles? someone in one of the reviews said they needed to add a profile after install. i've never ever had to do that before.
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August 27, 2013 8:53:31 AM

hatebreeder said:

1.) was looking at water cooling my cpu with this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). is this a good investment? will it mount in pretty much any case?

2.) The Ram. last time i built a board i just went to the mobo manufacturer site and looked through the QVL list. however that was 6 years ago and i can't seem to find one for that board. that ram is tested in the gd-65? i see its default without overclocking is 1866. i just install and it should hit that speed at triple channel right? or do i need to load profiles? someone in one of the reviews said they needed to add a profile after install. i've never ever had to do that before.


1. When I look at the H100, I can't imagine that anyone actually ever bought one.

a) It barely outcools the better air coolers (0.5 C "outta the box")
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro...

b) So you are sticking water inside ya expensive PC and risking a leak for the opportunity to gain just 0.5C of cooling ?

c) What about noise ?
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro...

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However, this performance comes at a cost; noise. At 2600RPM, the H100 isn’t a quiet unit at all and similarly at 2000RPM, it can still be quite intrusive. In terms of performance per noise, high end air coolers from Phanteks, Noctua and Thermalright still reign supreme, contrary to Corsair’s own marketing. Like other ALC units, the H100 relies too much on high RPM fans for its performance when the goal of water cooling is generally for extreme performance at low noise levels.


d) Look at the advertised noise level .... compared to other options:

H100i - 38 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phanteks PH-TC14-PE - 19 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Coolermaster Eisberg 240L Prestige - 20.5 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Let's think about that. Each 3 dBA represents a doubling of sound pressure level. Let's call it 18dBA between the other two coolers..... 18/3 = 6 ....2^6th power = 64 times as loud !

e) The H100i can be listened to compared to the Swiftech 220 (not sold in US) which is very similar to the 240L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTf0Vq1j4Ec (60 dBA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSKSVKv3Sxk (47 dBA)

If ya like the idea of starting simpe, witha closed loop system, you can do that with the 240L and then later on "open the loop" to include other components. You can see the 240L used in a high class Mod, the the link below where it cools both the CPU and MoBo MOFSETS.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33364-Maximus-...

If ya wanna go water and not ready to jump into a custom loop .... the 240L is ideal for its performance, quietness and expandability / flexibility.

2. Z87 is double channel not triple .... I pretty much ignore the QVL if using Corsair or Mushkin. The GD-65 supports DDR3 3000(OC)/2800(OC)/2600(OC)/2200(OC)/2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600 at this time. Given your usage, Id recommend, budget allowing 1866 or 2133 16GB

All these work with the MSI color scheme

Mushkin Redline DDR3-2133 CAS 9 1.65 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Vengeance Pro DDR3-2133 CAS 11 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Redline DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Veneance Pro DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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August 27, 2013 8:58:17 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
hatebreeder said:

1.) was looking at water cooling my cpu with this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). is this a good investment? will it mount in pretty much any case?

2.) The Ram. last time i built a board i just went to the mobo manufacturer site and looked through the QVL list. however that was 6 years ago and i can't seem to find one for that board. that ram is tested in the gd-65? i see its default without overclocking is 1866. i just install and it should hit that speed at triple channel right? or do i need to load profiles? someone in one of the reviews said they needed to add a profile after install. i've never ever had to do that before.


1. When I look at the H100, I can't imagine that anyone actually ever bought one.

a) It barely outcools the better air coolers (0.5 C "outta the box")
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro...

b) So you are sticking water inside ya expensive PC and risking a leak for the opportunity to gain just 0.5C of cooling ?

c) What about noise ?
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/corsair_h100_hydro...

Quote:
However, this performance comes at a cost; noise. At 2600RPM, the H100 isn’t a quiet unit at all and similarly at 2000RPM, it can still be quite intrusive. In terms of performance per noise, high end air coolers from Phanteks, Noctua and Thermalright still reign supreme, contrary to Corsair’s own marketing. Like other ALC units, the H100 relies too much on high RPM fans for its performance when the goal of water cooling is generally for extreme performance at low noise levels.


d) Look at the advertised noise level .... compared to other options:

H100i - 38 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phanteks PH-TC14-PE - 19 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Coolermaster Eisberg 240L Prestige - 20.5 dBA
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Let's think about that. Each 3 dBA represents a doubling of sound pressure level. Let's call it 18dBA between the other two coolers..... 18/3 = 6 ....2^6th power = 64 times as loud !

e) The H100i can be listened to compared to the Swiftech 220 (not sold in US) which is very similar to the 240L
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTf0Vq1j4Ec (60 dBA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSKSVKv3Sxk (47 dBA)

If ya like the idea of starting simpe, witha closed loop system, you can do that with the 240L and then later on "open the loop" to include other components. You can see the 240L used in a high class Mod, the the link below where it cools both the CPU and MoBo MOFSETS.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33364-Maximus-...

If ya wanna go water and not ready to jump into a custom loop .... the 240L is ideal for its performance, quietness and expandability / flexibility.

2. Z87 is double channel not triple .... I pretty much ignore the QVL if using Corsair or Mushkin. The GD-65 supports DDR3 3000(OC)/2800(OC)/2600(OC)/2200(OC)/2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600 at this time. Given your usage, Id recommend, budget allowing 1866 or 2133 16GB

All these work with the MSI color scheme

Mushkin Redline DDR3-2133 CAS 9 1.65 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Vengeance Pro DDR3-2133 CAS 11 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Redline DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Veneance Pro DDR3-1866 CAS 9 1.50 volt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



i'm definitely not set on water cooling, someone else recommended it on reddit. i'd much prefer something that is quiet and cools properly than something loud and mediocre. so if you have any suggestions on cpu cooler that fits the bill i'm all ears. i think i'll get that mushkin you originally suggested the 28gb(16gb) kit. its cheap and people seem to like it. after install it should just default to 1600 right?
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