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August 27, 2013 7:07:48 AM

So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.

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August 27, 2013 7:17:04 AM

Bazeleel said:
So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.


Yea, I'd agree. Though to be honest that FX-4170 is crap. The Zambezi/Bulldozer line was a real step backwards for AMD. I'd recommend upgrading your GPU first to something in the 700 series if you can afford it. However, if you go for something really high end just know that that CPU is REALLY going to bottleneck you.

The 760 is about on par with the 670 and the 770 is on par with the 680, while the 780 is in a class of its own. If you go for the either of those three in the 700 series (or the 2 in the 600 series I just mentioned), I'd say you should be willing to replace your motherboard to something with an LGA 1155 or 1150 slot, for an i5-3570k or an i5-4670k respectively. Then you can grab one of those CPUs in the future, hopefully the near future as the bottlenecking will be very bad.

If you don't feel like shelling out the money for Intel, then I recommend you grab a GTX 660 (non Ti) and once you have the funds, replace that 4170 with an 8350. This would clearly be the far cheaper option due to the cheaper CPU and GPU and you wouldn't have to replace your motherboard.

Don't underestimate how bad bottlenecking can be. Take it from a guy with a GTX 770 and an FX-6300, bottlenecking is quite the inconvenience.
August 27, 2013 7:22:07 AM

Yes according to your specifications your hard disk is outdated although it should have a very minimal impact during gaming (it only increases the load times) so yes upgrading your video card will help you get more fps i suggest something like HD 7970 (best is best) (IF YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE EXPECTED PLEASE TELL ILL TELL THE BEST GFX card for that price)
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August 27, 2013 7:49:05 AM

Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.


Yea, I'd agree. Though to be honest that FX-4170 is crap. The Zambezi/Bulldozer line was a real step backwards for AMD. I'd recommend upgrading your GPU first to something in the 700 series if you can afford it. However, if you go for something really high end just know that that CPU is REALLY going to bottleneck you.

The 760 is about on par with the 670 and the 770 is on par with the 680, while the 780 is in a class of its own. If you go for the either of those three in the 700 series (or the 2 in the 600 series I just mentioned), I'd say you should be willing to replace your motherboard to something with an LGA 1155 or 1150 slot, for an i5-3570k or an i5-4670k respectively. Then you can grab one of those CPUs in the future, hopefully the near future as the bottlenecking will be very bad.

If you don't feel like shelling out the money for Intel, then I recommend you grab a GTX 660 (non Ti) and once you have the funds, replace that 4170 with an 8350. This would clearly be the far cheaper option due to the cheaper CPU and GPU and you wouldn't have to replace your motherboard.

Don't underestimate how bad bottlenecking can be. Take it from a guy with a GTX 770 and an FX-6300, bottlenecking is quite the inconvenience.


Would getting the newest 8 core AMD CPU help or be any good?

August 27, 2013 7:49:49 AM

gamer2321 said:
Yes according to your specifications your hard disk is outdated although it should have a very minimal impact during gaming (it only increases the load times) so yes upgrading your video card will help you get more fps i suggest something like HD 7970 (best is best) (IF YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE EXPECTED PLEASE TELL ILL TELL THE BEST GFX card for that price)


I have never used anything other then Nvidea. How does it compare?
August 27, 2013 7:55:28 AM

gamer2321 said:
Yes according to your specifications your hard disk is outdated although it should have a very minimal impact during gaming (it only increases the load times) so yes upgrading your video card will help you get more fps i suggest something like HD 7970 (best is best) (IF YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE EXPECTED PLEASE TELL ILL TELL THE BEST GFX card for that price)


Although ATI GFX cards lack physx (btw only like 100 games which use it :p ) They are often a better bang for the buck and tend to be more powerful than nvidia cards of same price range

I have never used anything other then Nvidea. How does it compare?

August 27, 2013 7:59:11 AM

Bazeleel said:
Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.


Yea, I'd agree. Though to be honest that FX-4170 is crap. The Zambezi/Bulldozer line was a real step backwards for AMD. I'd recommend upgrading your GPU first to something in the 700 series if you can afford it. However, if you go for something really high end just know that that CPU is REALLY going to bottleneck you.

The 760 is about on par with the 670 and the 770 is on par with the 680, while the 780 is in a class of its own. If you go for the either of those three in the 700 series (or the 2 in the 600 series I just mentioned), I'd say you should be willing to replace your motherboard to something with an LGA 1155 or 1150 slot, for an i5-3570k or an i5-4670k respectively. Then you can grab one of those CPUs in the future, hopefully the near future as the bottlenecking will be very bad.

If you don't feel like shelling out the money for Intel, then I recommend you grab a GTX 660 (non Ti) and once you have the funds, replace that 4170 with an 8350. This would clearly be the far cheaper option due to the cheaper CPU and GPU and you wouldn't have to replace your motherboard.

Don't underestimate how bad bottlenecking can be. Take it from a guy with a GTX 770 and an FX-6300, bottlenecking is quite the inconvenience.


Would getting the newest 8 core AMD CPU help or be any good?



Well it'll certainly be a huge increase compared to the FX-4170. However, compared to the 6300 or 6350, the main difference is the addition of 2 cores, 2 threads, and a barely higher clock. So really, it means jack squat for gaming compared to the 6300 or 6350. And honestly, the 6350 and the 6300 are the EXACT same, only the 6350 is overclocked already for $20 extra. So really, for a GTX 660 an FX-6300 will be perfect. The overclocking potential of the FX series completely destroys any advantage the 6350 had over the 6300, so it's not worth it since you can easily overclock it higher than 3.9 GHz yourself. My 6300 is at 4.6 GHz. However I can't say that the overclock has done much for my bottlenecking in the games where I'm bottlenecked most. But you won't shouldn't experience bottlenecking with a GTX 660 anyway.

If you go for anything higher than the 660, including the 760 but not necessarily the 660 Ti (though the 760 is the same price as the 660 Ti but faster), I really recommend you go for a new Intel CPU, especially if you go for that 770.
August 27, 2013 9:43:54 AM

gamer2321 said:
Yes according to your specifications your hard disk is outdated although it should have a very minimal impact during gaming (it only increases the load times) so yes upgrading your video card will help you get more fps i suggest something like HD 7970 (best is best) (IF YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE EXPECTED PLEASE TELL ILL TELL THE BEST GFX card for that price)


Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.


Yea, I'd agree. Though to be honest that FX-4170 is crap. The Zambezi/Bulldozer line was a real step backwards for AMD. I'd recommend upgrading your GPU first to something in the 700 series if you can afford it. However, if you go for something really high end just know that that CPU is REALLY going to bottleneck you.

The 760 is about on par with the 670 and the 770 is on par with the 680, while the 780 is in a class of its own. If you go for the either of those three in the 700 series (or the 2 in the 600 series I just mentioned), I'd say you should be willing to replace your motherboard to something with an LGA 1155 or 1150 slot, for an i5-3570k or an i5-4670k respectively. Then you can grab one of those CPUs in the future, hopefully the near future as the bottlenecking will be very bad.

If you don't feel like shelling out the money for Intel, then I recommend you grab a GTX 660 (non Ti) and once you have the funds, replace that 4170 with an 8350. This would clearly be the far cheaper option due to the cheaper CPU and GPU and you wouldn't have to replace your motherboard.

Don't underestimate how bad bottlenecking can be. Take it from a guy with a GTX 770 and an FX-6300, bottlenecking is quite the inconvenience.


Would getting the newest 8 core AMD CPU help or be any good?



Well it'll certainly be a huge increase compared to the FX-4170. However, compared to the 6300 or 6350, the main difference is the addition of 2 cores, 2 threads, and a barely higher clock. So really, it means jack squat for gaming compared to the 6300 or 6350. And honestly, the 6350 and the 6300 are the EXACT same, only the 6350 is overclocked already for $20 extra. So really, for a GTX 660 an FX-6300 will be perfect. The overclocking potential of the FX series completely destroys any advantage the 6350 had over the 6300, so it's not worth it since you can easily overclock it higher than 3.9 GHz yourself. My 6300 is at 4.6 GHz. However I can't say that the overclock has done much for my bottlenecking in the games where I'm bottlenecked most. But you won't shouldn't experience bottlenecking with a GTX 660 anyway.

If you go for anything higher than the 660, including the 760 but not necessarily the 660 Ti (though the 760 is the same price as the 660 Ti but faster), I really recommend you go for a new Intel CPU, especially if you go for that 770.



Ok by 6300 or 6350 your talking CPU right? Is that AMD or Intel?
August 27, 2013 12:45:08 PM

Bazeleel said:
gamer2321 said:
Yes according to your specifications your hard disk is outdated although it should have a very minimal impact during gaming (it only increases the load times) so yes upgrading your video card will help you get more fps i suggest something like HD 7970 (best is best) (IF YOU HAVE A PRICE RANGE EXPECTED PLEASE TELL ILL TELL THE BEST GFX card for that price)


Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
Deus Gladiorum said:
Bazeleel said:
So i just build a new computer last year.

NvideaGTX 460 1gig GDDR5
AMD FX 4170 Quad-Core 4.20 GHz
16 gigs of 1600 DDR3 RAM
GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
600w PSU
Windows 7

I want to start slowly upgrading my system to reach better FPS in gaming, streaming, and recording. I know my HDD is the first to be replaced because its over 8 years old.

I am thinking my video card is what is really holding me back right now.


Yea, I'd agree. Though to be honest that FX-4170 is crap. The Zambezi/Bulldozer line was a real step backwards for AMD. I'd recommend upgrading your GPU first to something in the 700 series if you can afford it. However, if you go for something really high end just know that that CPU is REALLY going to bottleneck you.

The 760 is about on par with the 670 and the 770 is on par with the 680, while the 780 is in a class of its own. If you go for the either of those three in the 700 series (or the 2 in the 600 series I just mentioned), I'd say you should be willing to replace your motherboard to something with an LGA 1155 or 1150 slot, for an i5-3570k or an i5-4670k respectively. Then you can grab one of those CPUs in the future, hopefully the near future as the bottlenecking will be very bad.

If you don't feel like shelling out the money for Intel, then I recommend you grab a GTX 660 (non Ti) and once you have the funds, replace that 4170 with an 8350. This would clearly be the far cheaper option due to the cheaper CPU and GPU and you wouldn't have to replace your motherboard.

Don't underestimate how bad bottlenecking can be. Take it from a guy with a GTX 770 and an FX-6300, bottlenecking is quite the inconvenience.


Would getting the newest 8 core AMD CPU help or be any good?



Well it'll certainly be a huge increase compared to the FX-4170. However, compared to the 6300 or 6350, the main difference is the addition of 2 cores, 2 threads, and a barely higher clock. So really, it means jack squat for gaming compared to the 6300 or 6350. And honestly, the 6350 and the 6300 are the EXACT same, only the 6350 is overclocked already for $20 extra. So really, for a GTX 660 an FX-6300 will be perfect. The overclocking potential of the FX series completely destroys any advantage the 6350 had over the 6300, so it's not worth it since you can easily overclock it higher than 3.9 GHz yourself. My 6300 is at 4.6 GHz. However I can't say that the overclock has done much for my bottlenecking in the games where I'm bottlenecked most. But you won't shouldn't experience bottlenecking with a GTX 660 anyway.

If you go for anything higher than the 660, including the 760 but not necessarily the 660 Ti (though the 760 is the same price as the 660 Ti but faster), I really recommend you go for a new Intel CPU, especially if you go for that 770.



Ok by 6300 or 6350 your talking CPU right? Is that AMD or Intel?


Yes, I'm referring to an AMD CPU. I only mentioned Intel when I specifically said "Intel", "3570k" or "4670k".
August 27, 2013 2:57:24 PM

byogamingpc said:
You would see a drastic increase in performance if you upgraded to the FX-6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=as_li_q... and the HIS HD 7950 IceQ Boost http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0093I3V88/ref=as_li_q...


Would a 8 core be even more or are they overrated ATM? I think I will upgrade my CPU first to either the 6300 or a 8 core if you all think that's its worth it.

If I read the specs right both a 6/8 core are comparable with my current mono correct?
August 27, 2013 5:23:48 PM

Also if I buy a 6300 or 6350 would I get bottleknecked while still using my GTX460?

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August 27, 2013 5:54:30 PM
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Bazeleel said:
Also if I buy a 6300 or 6350 would I get bottleknecked while still using my GTX460?


No, if you get an FX-6300 (don't get a 6350, it's another $20 for something you can do better yourself), you won't be bottlenecked, even if you get a GeForce GTX 660 or a Radeon HD 7870. So it definitely won't bottleneck your current GTX 460. However, it's better that you upgrade your Graphics Card first because it'll provide a more noticeable performance increase.

Bazeleel said:
byogamingpc said:
You would see a drastic increase in performance if you upgraded to the FX-6300 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009O7YORK/ref=as_li_q... and the HIS HD 7950 IceQ Boost http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0093I3V88/ref=as_li_q...


Would a 8 core be even more or are they overrated ATM? I think I will upgrade my CPU first to either the 6300 or a 8 core if you all think that's its worth it.

If I read the specs right both a 6/8 core are comparable with my current mono correct?


An FX-8350 (8 core) is not necessary. Games won't benefit from the extra cores or threads, and you can overclock an FX-6300 to the same stock clock as an FX-8350 by yourself so it's not worth it unless you do a lot of non-gaming, CPU intensive things that make use of lots of cores and multithreading. Plus it's $80 less to get an FX-6300. As for your other question, yes it will be compatible with your motherboard. All of the FX-Series use the AM3+ chipset.
August 28, 2013 5:53:06 AM

Thank you all for the help!!!!
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