Looking for SSD advice

mc962

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Im looking into eventually getting an ssd and I wanted advice in a few areas first.

1) Im having trouble deciding between the Samsung 840 Pro and the EVO. I hear from a lot of places that the Pro is great, but I've also heard that the EVO is somewhat similar in performance but cheaper. From what I know, the main difference is the type of chip they use to make the ssd is different between the 2 models and that the Pro uses a more durable/longer lasting chip. While I always love anything that works better longer, i believe i've also heard that it doesnt quite make a difference depending on the types of things you do (as in, for example, the EVO might last 10 years and the Pro might last 20 years, for the average computing experience.) However, I would likely upgrade within 5-7 years anyway so this wouldnt necessarily seem like as much of an issue in that case? Also, is speed more or less the same between the 2 for the average use? (other than that initial set-up where you are copying gigabytes of data, something that will be somewhat more uncommon later)

In terms of the types of things I do, it would generally be, for the most part in this order: gaming, internet browsing, MS Office stuff (aka schoolwork), light video editing. I would definitely keep the OS on the ssd as well as stuff like office and antivirus, and some key games, while the stored stuff (like music/movies/docs) and programs that see no measurable performance increase on an ssd (like HWMonitor, email client, video player, maybe itunes) would be on my 1 tb wd caviar blue HDD.
And so it brings me to the question of: EVO or Pro? I would like it to work fine for at least 4-5 years ( i assume this is a good number for a not-defective ssd), at which point i would hopefully get an upgrade and/or a new system.

2) With that in mind, I also want advice on a good size for the ssd that i want. I would prefer to save money, but obviously don't want something that is full to bursting. I will include a list of the majority of the programs (factoring in, let's say, 2 GB for all the drivers and core programs that came with the board as well as flash and some smaller programs that i dont feel like listing and are for the most part under 50-100mb each and arent too many) and then games that I have installed or will be installed on my computer right now below.
Is the 120 GB range big enough after stuff like formatting (which i believe would drop the size down to around 111 GB for the EVO and 119 for the PRO), and considering I have 8 GB ram (that means that there is an 8 gb page file default? i dont understand this bit as well), for my needs? And then factoring other tips for SSD health ive heard of such as overprovisioning (no clue how much space i need for this beyond default) and not going above about 80% capacity on the drives (which i would estimate would leave about 82 GB left for installations of all programs including the OS on the EVO and 88 GB on the Pro, my math could easily be wrong here).

!Advise using info below if you can, but stuff above is a bit more important to me

Below are the programs that I have, a # will mark the ones I think should be on the SSD. Please recommend if you know of anything that should or should not be on the ssd

*Programs
Windows 8 - 20 GB #
Core Driver Stuff- 2 GB #
Itunes+Quicktime-500 MB (overestimating) #
MS Office Pro Plus - 3.5 GB #
Premeire + Photoshop elements - 6 GB
Throw in another GB for random programs I forgot about - 1 GB #
Documents: 500 MB
Music: 10 GB
Other folders are insignificant

Total Program GB : 43.5 GB

**Games

Empire at War - 500 MB
Kotor 1 - 500MB
Kotor 2 - 1 GB
Battlefront 1 - 2 GB
Battlefront 2 - 4.5 GB
JK II - 500 MB
Republic Commando - 2 GB
Dragon Age Origins - 20 GB #
Mass Effect 1 - 12 GB
Mass Effect 2 - 15 GB
Oblivion GOTY - 7 GB (probably, with expansions)
Skyrim (the one with the expansion packs i think) - 9 GB #
SWTOR - 15 GB #

Total Games GB: 89 GB (from what I know SSD is best with games for loading times, like with that annoying mmo loading screen)

Total intended Programs to Install on SSD#: about 42.5 GB (without the OS which would make it about 60 GB.) I would of course like extra room to put other things on as needed, and would prefer to have the space to put on maybe another 20 GB (for, let's say, another large MMO or something like that)



****Finally, if anyone has any other alternatives that are similarly priced and are better than the samsung i would also love to hear them.
 

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I have a 128gb Kingston. Similar applications to what you have.
Win8Pro, Office 2013 Pro, Lightroom, Paintshop Pro, a crapload of other stuff - currently...ALL applications installed on the SSD ~45GB used.

All games live elsewhere.
Documents and music live elsewhere.

Turn off hibernation.
Reduce pagefile to 1024MB MIN and MAX.
 

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I'd probably go with the 840 Pro at 256GB. Good capacity at a good price and a good reputation for quality and reliability. A couple things to keep in mind- at the top tier of SSDs, the differences among them are probably purely theoretical and comes down to a numbers marketing game. Another thing- all SSD's will speed up the experience- you'll feel the speed up going from HDD to SSD. You probably won't feel much between a slow SSD and a fast one. Think of it like this- a HDD boots a computer to the desktop in 200 seconds. A slow SSD boots it in 15 seconds. A fast one boots it in 12 seconds. Will you really notice or feel that 3 second difference even though it represents a 20% faster SSD? Maybe you would but I wouldn't- you'd need to be pretty sensitive.

I'm not familiar with any SSD bundles, but that might be a consideration- maybe the tools or bundled software or reputation for good reliable firmware for one brand are better than another.
 

mc962

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from what im seeing on amazon, the evo is a much better deal at 256 gb (i think amazon had it $50 lower) but at the 120 GB range the pro is probably a better deal (only about $20 more)

as far as bundles, i havent really heard of any reliably good software bundles for anything i would need, and the only firmware issues ive heard of is with (i think the name was sandforce) controllers causing issues, which i dont think this ssd has
i do see your point with the speeds, it probably won't make much of a difference. as far as i know, the only real speed differences between the 250 and 120 gb range models is more in the area of benchmarks and very specific applications? so short of moving like 50 gb at once maybe i'm unlikely to see any huge speed differences between the models?

in terms of page file, how big is it default for windows 8 usually (8 gb ram)? im not a fan of touching it at the moment, so i might use that info to make a decision.
And one thing I'm not quite sure about, for ssd purposes, is sleep still a fine thing to do? like from what i know sleep essentially keeps the computer on in a very low power mode until you stimulate it (apps, mouse, power button, etc.) whereas hibernate makes a copy of the data you currently have up onto the hard drive (which i could see as unnecessary and theoretically not nice to the drive) and practically shuts it down. Is keeping sleep on and hibernate off fine or should both be off?

it does sound like from USAFRet 's experience that 120 gb would be the way to go, as much as i would love the 250 gb range, getting a nice drive for only $130 which already seems to have more than enough room for all my stuff + a game or 2 and seems like the best deal

2 more questions:

1) For those that are familiar with the games/applications above, do you know have an idea of which programs if any would work better/faster on the ssd (aside from the OS) and so should be over there besides what i listed?

2) is there any good time of the year to buy an ssd (sales and stuff)? Like would a thanksgiving/black friday or christmas type thing be a good time to wait for? Or do ssd prices stay mostly the same throughout the year aside from the odd fluctuation here and there?
 

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Yes the EVO uses TLC Nand, but in the stress tests its just as reliable as MLC, and also, The EVO's Nand uses a new Turbo write algorithm that makes it perform as an SLC. The EVO also has the RAPID mode option which uses RAM to double the read and write speed, we've gotten numbers like 1GB/s Read and 800-900MB/s Write. At support we advise that the EVO is for consumer end-users, while the 840 Pro is for enterprise or small businesses. We hate the which is better question, because the two are meant for two different uses.
 

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I would go with the Evo in 250 GB, because all your requirements fill the drive nearly. To have enough free space go with 250 GB. The performance for home is great using the Evo, the Pro is meant for heavy workloads, every day.
 

mc962

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that and some reviews ive read convinced me on the 250 gb evo
although, do you know if there tends to be a best time to buy an ssd, like thanksgiving/black friday or christmas aka holiday sales? Or do prices tend to be fairly steady throughout the year aside from the odd sale here and there?