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August 27, 2013 4:47:38 PM

I ordered a Hyper 212+ last Friday and it came today. I installed it and an extra fan I bought for a push-pull config.
I should mention I have a i5-3570K @ stock
Temps with STOCK Intel cooler:
Idle: 50/48/48/50
Under Load: 80/83/80/78

Temps with Hyper 212+
Idle: 42/42/42/42
Under Load (Prime 95 for 30 minutes)
70/73/70/69

Cleaned and reapplied thin layer of thermal paste, have it mounted correctly (according to every video I could find). I'm using Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste.

I'm a little disappointed with the difference, I was expecting more. Is this what I should expect from the Hyper 212+?

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August 27, 2013 4:54:27 PM

Your stock temps under load are extremely high. What's your ambient temp? When applying paste to the hyper 212+ you should apply two lines on the inner heat pipes one third the length of the heat pipe.
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August 27, 2013 4:54:36 PM

I am an IC designer. I use 70 degrees C as a typical value for my simulations. You are set just fine. Now if you wanted to overclock, you may be in for trouble. Is your case well vented? IE the same or more intake fast as exhaust?
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August 27, 2013 4:56:26 PM

10c lower under load is what i saw when i put mine on with push/pull. Your idle is maybe a tiny bit high, but not anywhere near where you should worry about it. Keep in mind that the 212 is amazing for what it cost, but it is still a budget cooler.
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August 27, 2013 4:58:50 PM

80c is warm, but since your CPU is rated up to 105, 80 is actually a very acceptable temp. It just still scares a lot of us who aren't used to temps that high being normal.
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August 27, 2013 5:00:38 PM

babernet_1 said:
I am an IC designer. I use 70 degrees C as a typical value for my simulations. You are set just fine. Now if you wanted to overclock, you may be in for trouble. Is your case well vented? IE the same or more intake fast as exhaust?


I am a little disappointed, because yes, I was hoping to achieve a small OC of about 4.0-4.2GHz, as for being vented, I'm not sure; My CM Storm Enforcer doesn't have great airflow, not bad, but definitely not good. I do wish I bought a different case.

I have a 200mm fan @ about 750 rpm avg. Then 2 140mm Cougars on top, then a 120mm in back.
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August 27, 2013 5:01:27 PM

dragonsamus said:
Your stock temps under load are extremely high. What's your ambient temp? When applying paste to the hyper 212+ you should apply two lines on the inner heat pipes one third the length of the heat pipe.


I spread a thin, even layer on the CPU
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August 27, 2013 5:04:01 PM

Jaxem said:
80c is warm, but since your CPU is rated up to 105, 80 is actually a very acceptable temp. It just still scares a lot of us who aren't used to temps that high being normal.


I know, but I was hoping to bring it down a bit by getting one of these. It is a budget cooler, but with loads @ 70C there isn't much room for an overclock. I've seen people who've gotten to 4.5GHz with the EVO.
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August 27, 2013 5:12:41 PM

John Bauer said:
dragonsamus said:
Your stock temps under load are extremely high. What's your ambient temp? When applying paste to the hyper 212+ you should apply two lines on the inner heat pipes one third the length of the heat pipe.


I spread a thin, even layer on the CPU


Since the base of the cooler isn't flat I would recommend putting two lines on the two inner heat pipes one third the length of the pipe. That way the paste will get inbetween the cracks.

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August 27, 2013 5:17:07 PM

dragonsamus said:
John Bauer said:
dragonsamus said:
Your stock temps under load are extremely high. What's your ambient temp? When applying paste to the hyper 212+ you should apply two lines on the inner heat pipes one third the length of the heat pipe.


I spread a thin, even layer on the CPU


Since the base of the cooler isn't flat I would recommend putting two lines on the two inner heat pipes one third the length of the pipe. That way the paste will get inbetween the cracks.



Now don't get me wrong, I'll try it tomorrow, but it took me about 45 minutes to get the stupid thing installed.... Mostly because I didn't take my mobo out of my case, I didn't want to go through putting it in again, it's a pain in the a** with my case.

But like I said I'll do it tomorrow, I still have about 2-3g of my thermal paste left.
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August 27, 2013 5:54:26 PM

Just curious but do you live in a warm environment ? It's almost 100f in minnesota right now and my ambient temps definitely effect my idle temps.
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August 27, 2013 6:29:03 PM

cmi86 said:
Just curious but do you live in a warm environment ? It's almost 100f in minnesota right now and my ambient temps definitely effect my idle temps.


it's about 85f with 90% humidity right now. Very hot, very humid. I could be effecting my temps, yes.
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August 27, 2013 9:00:25 PM

Don't bother with re-installing it. I think your next step is for good air flow in the case. It is important to have plenty of fans, especially more intake than exhaust fans. I think that may be your problem. With more exhaust than intake fans you have negative air pressure in your case which causes two things, dust collects quickly, and the thin air cools worse.
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August 27, 2013 10:11:23 PM

babernet_1 said:
Don't bother with re-installing it. I think your next step is for good air flow in the case. It is important to have plenty of fans, especially more intake than exhaust fans. I think that may be your problem. With more exhaust than intake fans you have negative air pressure in your case which causes two things, dust collects quickly, and the thin air cools worse.


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.
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August 27, 2013 10:28:38 PM

John Bauer said:


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.


I feel your pain. Just looked up the case. It has fantastic reviews. My next case will have two side fans to blow on the graphics cards. I plan to have two in front, two on the side for intake and a total of three on the top/back for exhaust.
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August 27, 2013 10:39:44 PM

babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.


I feel your pain. Just looked up the case. It has fantastic reviews. My next case will have two side fans to blow on the graphics cards. I plan to have two in front, two on the side for intake and a total of three on the top/back for exhaust.


I just looked up the reviews for it on Newegg. Some people were saying "GREAT airflow with the 200mm front fan" And to that I say, ONLY 1 fan, I wish there was room for 1 more above it.

Other people were saying "GREAT cable management" Yeah, my ass. My mobo doesn't help it though, I have to reach my fan connectors across the board, rather then using one of the holes. And the cable "holes" aren't in great places. My 24-pin connector is twisted around like some sort of mutant because it's about 3 inches below the hole.
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August 27, 2013 10:46:15 PM

John Bauer said:
babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.


I feel your pain. Just looked up the case. It has fantastic reviews. My next case will have two side fans to blow on the graphics cards. I plan to have two in front, two on the side for intake and a total of three on the top/back for exhaust.


I just looked up the reviews for it on Newegg. Some people were saying "GREAT airflow with the 200mm front fan" And to that I say, ONLY 1 fan, I wish there was room for 1 more above it.

Other people were saying "GREAT cable management" Yeah, my ass. My mobo doesn't help it though, I have to reach my fan connectors across the board, rather then using one of the holes. And the cable "holes" aren't in great places. My 24-pin connector is twisted around like some sort of mutant because it's about 3 inches below the hole.


Hey, YOU put a review in, set them straight!

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August 28, 2013 9:50:33 AM

babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:
babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.


I feel your pain. Just looked up the case. It has fantastic reviews. My next case will have two side fans to blow on the graphics cards. I plan to have two in front, two on the side for intake and a total of three on the top/back for exhaust.


I just looked up the reviews for it on Newegg. Some people were saying "GREAT airflow with the 200mm front fan" And to that I say, ONLY 1 fan, I wish there was room for 1 more above it.

Other people were saying "GREAT cable management" Yeah, my ass. My mobo doesn't help it though, I have to reach my fan connectors across the board, rather then using one of the holes. And the cable "holes" aren't in great places. My 24-pin connector is twisted around like some sort of mutant because it's about 3 inches below the hole.


Hey, YOU put a review in, set them straight!



I will... I already did this sort of thing with those Cougar Fans. They're great fans, and they move lots of air, but no one mention INSTALLING the damn things, it's nearly impossible if you haven't done it before.
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August 28, 2013 11:03:47 AM

John Bauer said:
babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:
babernet_1 said:
John Bauer said:


That's my problem with this case - CM Storm Enforcer - they only made room for one intake, 200mm fan. But here's room for 3 120/140mm fans in the back/top, none on bottom.

Not to mention I've found that managing cables in the thing is nearly impossible.


I feel your pain. Just looked up the case. It has fantastic reviews. My next case will have two side fans to blow on the graphics cards. I plan to have two in front, two on the side for intake and a total of three on the top/back for exhaust.


I just looked up the reviews for it on Newegg. Some people were saying "GREAT airflow with the 200mm front fan" And to that I say, ONLY 1 fan, I wish there was room for 1 more above it.

Other people were saying "GREAT cable management" Yeah, my ass. My mobo doesn't help it though, I have to reach my fan connectors across the board, rather then using one of the holes. And the cable "holes" aren't in great places. My 24-pin connector is twisted around like some sort of mutant because it's about 3 inches below the hole.


Hey, YOU put a review in, set them straight!



I will... I already did this sort of thing with those Cougar Fans. They're great fans, and they move lots of air, but no one mention INSTALLING the damn things, it's nearly impossible if you haven't done it before.


haha, if you're trying to use the stupid rubber things they include, then yes, i gave up on them and just used the screws...i'm glad they included those too for those of us without enough patience
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August 28, 2013 12:14:03 PM

What temperature monitoring program are you using?

Your thermal readings are similar to what this guy, with the same processor, but he had a Corsair 200R case and the Enermax ETS-T40 aftermarket solution, which is in the same class. ( http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1711338/enermax-... )

It could very well be that it is as good as it is going to get, curing time for the Arctic Silver 5 aside. Ivy Bridge has a bit of a reputation for running hot since they stopped soldering the lids on. If you're brave, you could try de-lidding the chip and re-applying (a safer) thermal compound, but it's not recommended. Some people do see a huge gain, though.

EDIT: What is the second fan you are using?
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August 28, 2013 3:35:29 PM

Calculatron said:
What temperature monitoring program are you using?

Your thermal readings are similar to what this guy, with the same processor, but he had a Corsair 200R case and the Enermax ETS-T40 aftermarket solution, which is in the same class. ( http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1711338/enermax-... )

It could very well be that it is as good as it is going to get, curing time for the Arctic Silver 5 aside. Ivy Bridge has a bit of a reputation for running hot since they stopped soldering the lids on. If you're brave, you could try de-lidding the chip and re-applying (a safer) thermal compound, but it's not recommended. Some people do see a huge gain, though.

EDIT: What is the second fan you are using?


I very briefly thought about de-lidding it, but quickly decided not to, I don't have the money for a replacement if I damage it.

However, I spent most of today fiddling and re-routing wires for a cleaner inside, also cleaned and reapplied thermal paste, this time probably using too much, but putting a thin layer on both the CPU AND cooler for max coverage. I just turned it back on and have yet to do a Prime 95 stress test, but so far it's looking better, I'm iding about 5C cooler, at 38C, and it hasn't "cured" yet.

But anyways I use both Speedfan and Realtemp.

The extra fan I bought was the same one that's actually on the cooler itself, as it turns out. Here it is.
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August 28, 2013 6:24:41 PM

Lucky you! A lot of times putting two layers (one of the heatsink, another on the CPU) can trap extra bubbles than just one layer; nothing is written in stone though. Good job finding an identical fan, as well.

Realtemp should be giving you proper CPU coretemps. It won't work with my processor (FX-4170) so I can't personally vouche for its performance.
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August 28, 2013 6:43:05 PM

Calculatron said:
Lucky you! A lot of times putting two layers (one of the heatsink, another on the CPU) can trap extra bubbles than just one layer; nothing is written in stone though. Good job finding an identical fan, as well.

Realtemp should be giving you proper CPU coretemps. It won't work with my processor (FX-4170) so I can't personally vouche for its performance.


Well, installed the Hyper 212+ on my mobo without taking it out of my case may have helped, I had to do a little twisting, that may have gotten rid of any bubbles.
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