FX-8350 VS i5 Haswell?

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I'm upgrading from a A10 5800k, and I want to know gaming-wise which is a better product for gaming. I know the i5 is certainly more powerful than the 8350 but would it make a big enough difference in gaming? Would it be worth to give up the extra 4 threads? Also, what kind of wattage would I need? PSU and motherboard recommendations?

Other info: I will be pairing the new CPU with a GTX 760
 
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Haswell is marginally better than Ivy bridge. If you are upgrading to Intel and NOT coming from Sandy or Ivy, then I would say go with the latest (Haswell) for a few extra dollars. Otherwise, it's not worth it. (Unless you're an over-clocker, then go Ivy).

If you want to upgrade to something that will run strong for a long time, but don't want to spend Haswell money, then go FX-8350. Nearly the same performance (in some cases better) for less money. Albeit at the expense of a little more power draw. The choice is yours.

What you could do to save money is over-clock your A10 with a low-cost cooler like the 212+/evo and add that GTX 760 to your existing set up. It will be plenty fast and capable for quite some time yet, and give you...
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The question you need to ask yourself is:

Are 3-5 FPS in the vast majority of games...worth $60?

You can buy the 8350 for $179.99 right now, you can get a 3570k for $220 and a 4670k for $240. I wouldn't even look at the 4670k if I were you because the 3570k will outperform it when overclocked...(yes...seriously).

So...is up to 5 FPS worth $50-60? I can't tell the difference between 50 and 55 FPS...much less 50 and 52-53 which is much more typical.

EDIT: BTW, the i5 loses in Crysis 3, just wanted to throw that out there...
 
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http://www.bing.com/search?q=4670k+review
here read some review and make your own conclusion
 
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Good thinking...


@OP:

Here is the Tom's Hardware Haswell review for you to look through...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521.html
 
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Your CPU is already pretty good, I'd get a new video card first and see if that fits your needs. Depends on what you're doing. What games will you be playing? Will you be doing other stuff such as encoding? Some games like Skyrim will benefit from a strong CPU, others not so much. A Radeon 7970 or even GTX 760 would be huge improvements over the IGP of the A-10 5800k. If you really want a new CPU and mobo, I'd have to go for the FX 8320 and Asus M5A99X. Add a Hyper 212 EVO for some overclocking. PSU wise anything more than 600 watts should be good.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the overclocked 3570k will only perform better than a 4670k when it's not.

4670k @ 4.7ghz vs 3570k @ 4.9ghz, haswell still win no?
 
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No...that's incorrect. Since the average performance gain is only 3% for 4670k over 3570k in order for a 4670k to beat a 3570k @ 4.8 the 4670k would have to hit ~4.7 GHz.

Since the 4670k never hits 4.7 and the 3570k hits 4.8 fairly often...the 3570k > 4670k always
 
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Haswell is marginally better than Ivy bridge. If you are upgrading to Intel and NOT coming from Sandy or Ivy, then I would say go with the latest (Haswell) for a few extra dollars. Otherwise, it's not worth it. (Unless you're an over-clocker, then go Ivy).

If you want to upgrade to something that will run strong for a long time, but don't want to spend Haswell money, then go FX-8350. Nearly the same performance (in some cases better) for less money. Albeit at the expense of a little more power draw. The choice is yours.

What you could do to save money is over-clock your A10 with a low-cost cooler like the 212+/evo and add that GTX 760 to your existing set up. It will be plenty fast and capable for quite some time yet, and give you time to decide what platform to upgrade to next. :)
 
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Overclocking is an option but at most games that are more CPU dominant the A10 lacks the power. I could always see what AMD's solution is to next gen gaming in an APU and overclock that.
 
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Just make sure your motherboard is good enough to support some mild over-clocking and it should be fine.

Yeah, I'm very curious to see how the new Kaveri APU's will perform... Interesting times. :)
 
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There are definitely owners that have got 4.7 and 4.8ghz stable. 4.6ghz seems to be the sweet spot nowadays. Looking at a bunch of forums and reviews, it also seems 10% is the difference between haswell and ivy bridge.
 
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LOL...no it isn't...maybe in other areas to some degree...but we're talking about games...it's closer to 1% than 5% in games man.

FYI: I am a game developer...
 
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I've just built a new rig using the I5-3570k and a GTX 680 with a reflashed BIOS, so effectively a GTX 770. Playing Crysis 3, 1080p, max settings, SMAA 2x, I get 55-60fps. The CPU only has all 4 cores at 50-60% during game play (clocked at 3.6GHz), whilst the GPU is at 100% most of the time.

I don't think even a faster GPU eg. GTX780, would utilise the CPU more as it's the GPU that would increase the frame rate.

Therefore, I don't think you need anything more than a I5 @ 3.6GHz (Sandy/Ivy/Haswell) or AMD equivalent for this game.

Looking at the Alpha benchmarks of BF4, even with a Titan, it doesn't utilise all 4 cores of an FX-4300 or hyperthreading of I7-2600k. A 4 core old generation I5-2500k @ 3.3GHz gets marginally better framerate than the 8 core FX-8350 @ 4GHz.

Although the Ivy is not as good at o/c as Sandy and Haswell it not as good as Ivy, each one has more IPC than its predecessor, so you can o/c 100-200MHz less and still get the same performance.

My 3570k will o/c to 4.2GHz without increasing the voltage. It's stable at 4.8GHz with 1.3v which gives a 30% increase in performance, but there's no point as no game needs that yet. I reckon games over the next 12-24 months will require a better GPU or maybe 2x 680s in SLI, so I'll buy another next year when they are cheaper second hand. If the CPU needs more than a 30% increase in performance during that time and games are starting to take advantage of hyperthreading, then I'll get an I7 and o/c it.
 
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