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August 29, 2013 1:05:39 AM

With all this hype revolving around the AMD Radeon 9970, it is hard not to speculate what the 9970 will be capable of! I know there are several of these threads roaming around on several different different sites; I am not here to spread false rumors but to hear everyone's input on what the AMD Radeon 9970.

My input.

*Rumor has it that the 9970 will be utilized on a 20mn manufacturing process (MP).

It is possible, nothing is factual as of yet. AMD has not leaked any official specs on the card just yet. However, the TSMC has not developed the 20nm manufacturing process just yet.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/201308062348...

This also implies that the 9970 could still very well be on the 28nm MP.

*AMD Radeon 9970 is to out perform the GTX 780 by a significant margin.

This also could be a possibility IF the 9970 is manufactured on a 20nm die shrink; however if the 9970 is still on the 28nm MP, it could have similar performance of that of the GTX 780. Also if the 9970 remains on the 28nm MP, I would expect the TDP to be the same or perhaps higher than the AMD Radeon 7970.

*AMD Radeon 9970 to be released this fall.

AMD has leaked that they will have a public event in Hawaii to unveil the Radeon 9000 series on September 25th. However, on the 23rd of September, AMD plans to reveal the Radeon 9970.

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/news/hardware/vga...

Please, post what you all think!







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August 29, 2013 1:16:43 AM

Thanks for the information, very well summarised.
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August 29, 2013 1:22:37 AM

If it does have the specs rumored on hardwareluxx, it might perform as well as the GTX 780, but it will not be significantly faster.
It will most likely be a bit slower.

Also, since it's going to be released in september, it can't be based on the 20nm process.

Or, there's also the possibility that the cards are made at 20nm because, while TSMC has not yet started "volume production of chips using 20nm process technology", it may have produced chips for AMD in small quantities.
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August 29, 2013 1:33:58 AM

Thanks for the info :D 

It would be interesting to see how the 9970 competes with a 780, hell it'd be interesting to see how it straight up competes with a Titan!

We all know that AMD cards are absolute powerhouses, and that stands true while the 7970 still trades blows with the 780, and if the 9970 gets the same driver treatment that the 7xxx series has gotten, phwoar! We're in for a treat!

Personally for some reason though, it's always been the x950 versions (naming revisions going back) that have gotten me excited, they always seem to be amazing on their own but an absolute beast when crossfired.

Would be interesting to see a) how powerful these cards actually are, not just specs but actual gaming, and b) what Nvidia's response would be. I've taken some time off from AMD to see how team green does things, and I'm very impressed, but AMD just always seem to blow the water away with performance, if not instantly, then a few months after release with driver updates.
August 29, 2013 1:52:22 AM

I have been itching for a GPU upgrade myself, I have been biding my time to see what AMD's response is!
August 29, 2013 4:58:28 AM

houldendub said:
Thanks for the info :D 

It would be interesting to see how the 9970 competes with a 780, hell it'd be interesting to see how it straight up competes with a Titan!

We all know that AMD cards are absolute powerhouses, and that stands true while the 7970 still trades blows with the 780, and if the 9970 gets the same driver treatment that the 7xxx series has gotten, phwoar! We're in for a treat!

Personally for some reason though, it's always been the x950 versions (naming revisions going back) that have gotten me excited, they always seem to be amazing on their own but an absolute beast when crossfired.

Would be interesting to see a) how powerful these cards actually are, not just specs but actual gaming, and b) what Nvidia's response would be. I've taken some time off from AMD to see how team green does things, and I'm very impressed, but AMD just always seem to blow the water away with performance, if not instantly, then a few months after release with driver updates.


7970 isn't near a 780 in performance, and the driver treatment is atrocious. What are you talking about?
August 29, 2013 5:05:56 AM

apower101 said:
7970 isn't near a 780 in performance, and the driver treatment is atrocious. What are you talking about?


But it DOES trade blows with a number of titles. That's not really opinion or a judgement that's just cold hard facts.

And the drivers for the 7xxx series of cards has been phenomenal, constant performance upgrades everywhere, some games have seen massive performance boosts thanks to the drivers.

If you think I'm just some fanboy, well, pity on you. I own Nvidia hardware. If you're too blind to see the wood for the trees then that's your own fault.
August 29, 2013 5:10:00 AM

graphs please. Also, the cards should have had the performance to begin with, not have it administered gradually to them over a long period of time. ANd I have been running amd for years, so fanboyism is out of the question, as I despise nvidias pricing of their top-end models.
August 29, 2013 5:46:58 AM

houldendub said:
apower101 said:
7970 isn't near a 780 in performance, and the driver treatment is atrocious. What are you talking about?


But it DOES trade blows with a number of titles. That's not really opinion or a judgement that's just cold hard facts.

And the drivers for the 7xxx series of cards has been phenomenal, constant performance upgrades everywhere, some games have seen massive performance boosts thanks to the drivers.

If you think I'm just some fanboy, well, pity on you. I own Nvidia hardware. If you're too blind to see the wood for the trees then that's your own fault.


For someone who doesn't want to get called a fanboy, your post is quite strange...

#1) Who cares that in a couple obscure games the 7970 keeps up with the 780? The 780 is significantly faster - on the order of 35-40% faster for most 780s. Cherry picking is never relevant to GPU discussions.

#2) Yeah AMD's single card drivers have been great, just like Nvidia's - this is very good news! But the only reason this is news is because AMD's driver support in the past was crap.

As for the 9970 or whatever AMD ends up calling it, it's about damn time. All this overpriced crap from Nvidia is getting old. Can't believe they got away with the pricing they did on the Titan. Blech.
August 29, 2013 7:07:22 AM

You mean theyre skipping the HD8000?
August 29, 2013 7:19:12 AM

Latvietis96 said:
You mean theyre skipping the HD8000?


Yes, the HD 8000 series is an OEM rebrand of HD 7000 cards.
August 29, 2013 7:51:42 AM

Surprised the release is quite close and there hasn't been more leaks about the card. Maxwell is coming soonish, maybe in March or April if i had a guess. But the weird thing about these cards is it's been quite quiet on the rumor mill. No mention on tap out's or revisions or anything. My guess is all the console distraction is taking up hardcore's time to dig for this info.
August 29, 2013 8:02:51 AM

There's no way Maxwell is going to get here that soon... the 20nm process just isn't ready yet.
August 29, 2013 6:08:12 PM

Early estimates for the release of Maxwell according to Nvidia are going to be in 2014, however the timing is uncertain. If I had to guess, I would put the release date sometime in the summer of 2014. Mere speculation of course. Take this with a grain of salt. Also, I have noted that Nvidia seems to be following a sort of "tick, tock" cycle; meaning every other generation seems to have an architecture change, while the die can only be as consistent as the TSMC.

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-roadmap-confirms-20nm-maxwel...

But I do believe we are straying off topic.

Any one with further news on the AMD Radeon 9970, please, by all means share!
September 4, 2013 2:35:25 PM

First and foremost, thank you for your objectivity Hydro-Carbon. It's nice to see that we don't have total fan boys in this thread making ignorant comments just because "Nvidia is the best zomg, go green!!!!" While true that Titan is indeed the "fastest" GPU currently, I am also anxious to see what AMD has up their sleeve with the HD 9970. I mean I'm not trying to praise one or the other. The two year old 7970 traded blows with the GTX 680. Certain titles, the 680 was faster. Others, the 7970. AMD has tweaked drivers over the last two years and I believe it is safe to say that an OC'ed 7970 whether you're running a GE card or standard reference board thats OC'ed, there is no doubt that the 7970 is indeed a bit stronger than Kepler, and does in fact trade blows with a 780 thanks to the graphs posted by Houldendub.

We all know a 770 is a re-branded 680 so no real surprise here that 7970 and 770 (slightly OC'ed 680 aka GK 104) are pretty much neck and neck and while as I said previously the Titan is currently the king, AMD and Nvidia will always go back and forth who has the "fastest" title. It's all relative I suppose. I think AMD has certainly gained quite a bit of momentum over the last couple of years with their Never Settle Bundles, and not to mention both next gen PS4 and Xbox One each have a custom AMD APU. Nvidia continues to market $1000 GPU's and they are the verge of releasing the Titan Ultra which essentially unlocks the remaining CUDA cores. I'm not saying Nvidia is a bad company. In fact I've owned several Nvidia products and they are quite good and well made. I just don't understand Nvidia's marketing strategies anymore. Team green is going to be in serious trouble if they don't jump on the "bandwagon" and soon. PhysX just became pointless with the recent release of Open GL 4.5 and not to mention Nvidia still does not support x86 architecture as far as I know.

Straying quite off topic, great discussion and truly looking forward to the HD 9970. I'm not sure about the 20nm transistors yet, but reading around TSMC's website, they could surprise us which is why we've been in the dark for quite some time about the 9970. Some of the other rumors are exactly just that. I don't believe its going to carry a 512 bit memory bus on GDDR5 alone myself, but that's just a prediction. I guess in the end we'll see.
September 7, 2013 5:58:13 AM

houldendub said:
Thanks for the info :D 

It would be interesting to see how the 9970 competes with a 780, hell it'd be interesting to see how it straight up competes with a Titan!

We all know that AMD cards are absolute powerhouses, and that stands true while the 7970 still trades blows with the 780, and if the 9970 gets the same driver treatment that the 7xxx series has gotten, phwoar! We're in for a treat!

Personally for some reason though, it's always been the x950 versions (naming revisions going back) that have gotten me excited, they always seem to be amazing on their own but an absolute beast when crossfired.

Would be interesting to see a) how powerful these cards actually are, not just specs but actual gaming, and b) what Nvidia's response would be. I've taken some time off from AMD to see how team green does things, and I'm very impressed, but AMD just always seem to blow the water away with performance, if not instantly, then a few months after release with driver updates.



I'm sorry, I'm not an Nvidia fanboy, I own both Nvidia and AMD cards, but in what universe does a 7970 trade blows with a 780? A 7970 GHz edition is only marginally faster than a 680 and trades blows with it in most games. A GTX 780 is 30% more powerful than a GTX 680, and blows a 7970 out of the water, even a GHz edition. The only games where the 7970 beats down a 780 is in games specifically optimized for an AMD card, of which there are very few good ones. Metro 2033 is one, the Dirt series are another. In games like Battlefield, the 780 crushes a 7970, as it should, it costs a lot more and it's significantly newer. That's why Nvidia is rumoured to be stepping up the release of the 800 series to Q1 2014, to best the new AMD releases again.

As for the driver releases..... personally I've found AMD's drivers horrible of late. My main gaming rig uses Nvidia cards simply because SLI is leaps and bounds ahead of Crossfire in terms of stability, lack of micro-stutter issues, and driver profiles. I do like AMD cards, and they usually have a better cost/performance ratio than my Nvidia cards, but Nvidia are the best hands down when it comes to ultra high-end, dual GPU gaming rigs.
September 7, 2013 7:14:15 AM

there's like 2 games where the 780 and 7970 are similar, which fanboys will cherry pick from


But everyone not picking cherries knows that the 780 is in a different league than the 7970, to the tune of 30-40% faster on average, depending on which two exact models get compared


Anyways, I'm curious to see how much of an improvement AMD will make on their new series. I personally expext 780 +/- 5% performance for at least $100 less
September 11, 2013 3:56:19 AM

apower101 said:
7970 isn't near a 780 in performance, and the driver treatment is atrocious. What are you talking about?


Have to agree with this. Drivers for the 7970 have been nothing short of terrible, Only in the last 3-4 months have they been any good. At the end of a product lifecycle decent drivers at last.
After having 2x 7970 in my PC (and removing one after 3 months due to micro stuttering) and a 7970M in my laptop (god, don't get me started on driver support for that. the mobile 7970 was treated like a leper by AMD. Their support for it on Klevo platforms was nothing short of a disgrace) I'm not touching AMD again until they get their driver act together.

I'd rather pay 20% more and have a system that works. The case on my PC and has worn away at the hinges, the driver sweeper utility has been hammered to death... all by 7970.

Love AMD value, but with the high end 7000 series, really not liking their driver support, and the hassle just isn't worth the small cost saving. Hour after hour of "not playing" and "not working" if I put minimum wage on those wasted hours and days I could maybe have bought 2x Titan in SLI

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Well AMD is famous for talking up their products. Now if what you say is right and it is 20nm than it could and probably will have up to a 20%-30% edge on the 780 definitely. I just upgraded to a 780 because my friend has dual nvidea cards and has no problem with driver issues. I had the 7850 and was going to get another but due to driver issues and the fact that the 780 is like 2 of the 7850's I chose to switch. Maybe one day when AMD has its driver act strait I will go back but as for the next few years I am sticking with nvidea.
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September 13, 2013 8:15:29 AM

This is what I've found reading this thread:

"AMD is talking it up!"
AMD has said nothing. They haven't said a word about the 9970, it sounds more like to me like a bunch of nervous Nvidia owners.

"The GTX 780 might even out perform the 9970"
Yeah because that totally happened with the 7970 vs the 680. Understand something. The GTX 780 is running on Kepler architecture, just as the 600 series was. AMD isn't running Pirate Islands again, it's running Volcanic Islands. To say the 780 will out perform the 9970 is nothing short of wishful thinking.

"But my GTX Titan will still be better!! It has to be, it cost $1000!!"
You have been played, and played well. The GTX Titan was the biggest design flop I have ever seen for a $1000 card. They are complete junk in SLI, too. Anybody who spent the $2000 will know that 2 SLI'd titans was nowhere near worth $2000.

Nvidia owners and green team fanboys, heed this warning well: Nvidia is losing. They are playing the same tricks Apple played for years. They re-release the same cards and call them "new". EVGA, their side kick, is an even worse offender of this. If EVGA didn't exist, Nvidia wouldn't have the popularity they have today. Because with Nvidia/EVGA, Image = everything.

My HD7970 Ghz Edition (Overclocked to 1175 Mhz/1600 Mhz mem) runs the same, better in games with using over 2gb of RAM, as the GTX 770. That's pretty sad for Nvidia.
September 13, 2013 8:50:29 AM

"They re-release the same cards and call them "new"."

Tick and Tock. I notice that you have an Intel processor. Intel do the same thing. Slight change one year, big change the next. Rinse and repeat.

The 4xx and 5xx series mainly used Fermi, the 6xx and 7xx series have mainly used Kepler, I'm sure the 8xx and 9xx will use the same generation of chips too. Seeing how close the Kepler cards are anyway, does it really matter? Still get a faster card than the previous gen's comparable model name.

Conversely, AMD have done the same thing, albeit not in exactly the same manner, but their hands aren't entirely clean. Juniper PRO and XT used in the 5750 and 5770 were used in the 6750 and 6770. Turks and Caicos are used in both the 6xxx and 7xxx series, while the Cedar chip has been used in the 5xxx, 6xxx and 7xxx series.
September 14, 2013 6:45:05 AM

Judging by your card b737lvr, I think people can tell which company you prefer. Personally, I believe that AMD fanboys are desperately attempting to prove something to the world, claiming that the 9970 is going to be the end-all graphics card. It might be, it might not be. But at least wait until it has been released to argue its case. Right now the 780 is fantastic. This is not likely to change, and with AMD's budget cuts and firing employees, I find it unlikely that they will release a master card.

a b À AMD
September 14, 2013 8:14:34 AM

apower101 said:
Judging by your card b737lvr, I think people can tell which company you prefer. Personally, I believe that AMD fanboys are desperately attempting to prove something to the world, claiming that the 9970 is going to be the end-all graphics card. It might be, it might not be. But at least wait until it has been released to argue its case. Right now the 780 is fantastic. This is not likely to change, and with AMD's budget cuts and firing employees, I find it unlikely that they will release a master card.



Every new release will get talked up and blown out of all proportion by the party faithful, it's what's they do, it's all they've got.
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September 14, 2013 8:47:15 AM

BigMack70 said:
houldendub said:
apower101 said:
7970 isn't near a 780 in performance, and the driver treatment is atrocious. What are you talking about?


But it DOES trade blows with a number of titles. That's not really opinion or a judgement that's just cold hard facts.

And the drivers for the 7xxx series of cards has been phenomenal, constant performance upgrades everywhere, some games have seen massive performance boosts thanks to the drivers.

If you think I'm just some fanboy, well, pity on you. I own Nvidia hardware. If you're too blind to see the wood for the trees then that's your own fault.


For someone who doesn't want to get called a fanboy, your post is quite strange...

#1) Who cares that in a couple obscure games the 7970 keeps up with the 780? The 780 is significantly faster - on the order of 35-40% faster for most 780s. Cherry picking is never relevant to GPU discussions.

#2) Yeah AMD's single card drivers have been great, just like Nvidia's - this is very good news! But the only reason this is news is because AMD's driver support in the past was crap.

As for the 9970 or whatever AMD ends up calling it, it's about damn time. All this overpriced crap from Nvidia is getting old. Can't believe they got away with the pricing they did on the Titan. Blech.


Precisely my thoughts!

September 14, 2013 8:56:38 AM

Mousemonkey said:
apower101 said:
Judging by your card b737lvr, I think people can tell which company you prefer. Personally, I believe that AMD fanboys are desperately attempting to prove something to the world, claiming that the 9970 is going to be the end-all graphics card. It might be, it might not be. But at least wait until it has been released to argue its case. Right now the 780 is fantastic. This is not likely to change, and with AMD's budget cuts and firing employees, I find it unlikely that they will release a master card.



Every new release will get talked up and blown out of all proportion by the party faithful, it's what's they do, it's all they've got.


I sad my post got deleted ;( But yeah I cant wait for 9970!
September 14, 2013 10:21:22 AM

The problem with the Titan's pricing is that it wasn't aimed soley at gamers, it was aimed at amateur rendering and modelling and computeing tasks. This meant that the cuda count and the 6gb vram was a must. While still being expensive, it is nowhere near the cost of a fully fledged tesla (compute) or quadro (render) card.The Titan's price was aimed at those who need the extra oomph, but can't afford the quadro/tesla. However, the 780 is overpriced. That is undeniable.
September 14, 2013 3:30:39 PM

apower101 said:
Judging by your card b737lvr, I think people can tell which company you prefer. Personally, I believe that AMD fanboys are desperately attempting to prove something to the world, claiming that the 9970 is going to be the end-all graphics card. It might be, it might not be. But at least wait until it has been released to argue its case. Right now the 780 is fantastic. This is not likely to change, and with AMD's budget cuts and firing employees, I find it unlikely that they will release a master card.



I almost got a GTX 770 before getting my 7970. Check yourself. Also, AMD does a lot more than just make GPUs. Ofcourse they are making budget cuts and laying people off. Like every other company in the world. They are cutting the fat, most likely on their failing RAM crap.

Also, I agree the GTX 780 is a wonderful card. Is it worth $650? Nope. Not a penny over $500. If anybody is looking for a card and is in the price range for a GTX 780, there are some MUCH better investments to be made
September 15, 2013 2:28:28 AM

Really. You're suggesting a card that, asides from its horrible driver support, and discontinuation because of its numerous issues, has been warned against by everybody, despite the price cuts due to problems like coil whine (I have heard it when playing on a friends pc) and temperature issues? The 780 has stable, excellent driver support, and is not being discontinued. Also, I don't see Nvidia making massive losses each year and predictions being made about how badly they are doing. They are not firing massive numbers of employees and losing billions/millions. This is not just because of Nvidia fanboys. Just because you considered a 770 does not make you an unbiased person. You bought a 7970, had a good experience with it, probably only have known what your old card was like, therefore making you an expert on all gpus, and which company was better? I think not. When you have bought a 770, and compared it without bias to your 7970, then you can harp on about how much better the 7970 is, and how unbiased you are.
September 15, 2013 12:57:22 PM

yeah... the 7990 is pretty much terrible... definitely not recommendable over the 780.


Sure the 780 is overpriced, but that's just what happens when AMD can't compete. AMD did the same thing to a slightly lesser extent with their 7970 launch.
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September 15, 2013 5:16:23 PM

apower101 said:
Really. You're suggesting a card that, asides from its horrible driver support, and discontinuation because of its numerous issues, has been warned against by everybody, despite the price cuts due to problems like coil whine (I have heard it when playing on a friends pc) and temperature issues? The 780 has stable, excellent driver support, and is not being discontinued. Also, I don't see Nvidia making massive losses each year and predictions being made about how badly they are doing. They are not firing massive numbers of employees and losing billions/millions. This is not just because of Nvidia fanboys. Just because you considered a 770 does not make you an unbiased person. You bought a 7970, had a good experience with it, probably only have known what your old card was like, therefore making you an expert on all gpus, and which company was better? I think not. When you have bought a 770, and compared it without bias to your 7970, then you can harp on about how much better the 7970 is, and how unbiased you are.

You are obviously being a fanboy. I wouldn't recommend a 7990 either - I don't think I would recommend a GTX690 either.

Dual GPU cards just aren't a good idea. They are temperamental and run very hot.

Quote:

Just because you considered a 770 does not make you an unbiased person. You bought a 7970, had a good experience with it, probably only have known what your old card was like, therefore making you an expert on all gpus, and which company was better? I think not. When you have bought a 770, and compared it without bias to your 7970, then you can harp on about how much better the 7970 is, and how unbiased you are

Fine! They may not be unbiased for choosing a 7970, but your are obviously biased so you are just being a hypocrite.
And let me ask you: Have you compared then personally?
September 15, 2013 7:44:32 PM

Yes dual gpus do run quite hot but with good airflow you can dispel that issue quickly. As for the performance of dual gpus my friend has dual nvidea 545's and they actually work about 180% with both of them opposed to being 200% so that extra 20% is not much of a loss and micro studdering is non existent in his games. AMD on the other hand micro studdering is rampant on dual gpu cards I have seen it bad with my dual 7850's before I got my 780. Yes I know they updated the drivers now but that was my experience. Back on topic though I actually hope that the 9970 is at least 40-50% better than the 780 and I hope it is like 500$ because when 1600p gaming is big that card may be able to handle it a bit better =) I am no fanboy I just go with the current best once my games start to drop in the 20fps range on full graphics.
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September 15, 2013 7:51:03 PM

This thread has more lives than a half dozen cats!
September 15, 2013 11:52:37 PM

My brother has a 7970, and my friend has a 770. I have compared them.
September 16, 2013 5:37:56 PM

And your results are?
September 16, 2013 11:19:13 PM

fps, or real world experience?
September 16, 2013 11:19:18 PM

fps, or real world experience?
September 16, 2013 11:20:55 PM

In fps, the 770 wins in some games, and the 7970 in others. (The 770 is usually better). However, the 770 feels much smoother in a lot of games, than the 7970, whereas the 7970 never feels smoother (maybe rarely equally smooth).
a b À AMD
September 16, 2013 11:24:32 PM

apower101 said:
In fps, the 770 wins in some games, and the 7970 in others. (The 770 is usually better). However, the 770 feels much smoother in a lot of games, than the 7970, whereas the 7970 never feels smoother (maybe rarely equally smooth).


Equal CPUs? What about background stuff?
I seriously doubt this is a fair comparison.

-edit-
I see unsmoothness when:

A. My CPU is bottlenecking (stuck with an old Core 2 Duo)
B. There is disk swapping occurring
C. Buggy application i.e. the unigine benchmarks stutter badly.

Ordinarily, it seems perfectly smooth. Then again I am probably not to sensitive to stuttering.
September 16, 2013 11:33:48 PM

They both have i7-4770k's, 16 gb ram at 1600 mhz. Neither of them have ssd's.
September 17, 2013 7:40:11 PM

apower101 said:
They both have i7-4770k's, 16 gb ram at 1600 mhz. Neither of them have ssd's.


Your'e obviously an Nvidia fanboy. Everything you say is invalid.

But fine, if you wonna play on crappier cards that cost more money go ahead.

I´ll just laugh at you anyway
September 20, 2013 8:16:37 AM

apower101 said:
graphs please. Also, the cards should have had the performance to begin with, not have it administered gradually to them over a long period of time. ANd I have been running amd for years, so fanboyism is out of the question, as I despise nvidias pricing of their top-end models.


Please, even if it didn't beat the 780, the Ghz smashed the 680 and the normal 7970 was just under, in some cases better, than 680. As for the graphs, search them yourself or use gpuboss. I am not going to look for graphs just to prove my point when I know I am correct and you won't learn anyway
September 20, 2013 8:19:38 AM

BigMack70 said:
yeah... the 7990 is pretty much terrible... definitely not recommendable over the 780.


Sure the 780 is overpriced, but that's just what happens when AMD can't compete. AMD did the same thing to a slightly lesser extent with their 7970 launch.


Sigh, benchmarks clearly show that 7990 >= 690 and that, like the 690, beat all single gpu cards, therefore I call bs.
September 20, 2013 8:21:52 AM

I love how the last few posts have been completely on topic.
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September 20, 2013 8:22:00 AM

Skace said:
BigMack70 said:
yeah... the 7990 is pretty much terrible... definitely not recommendable over the 780.


Sure the 780 is overpriced, but that's just what happens when AMD can't compete. AMD did the same thing to a slightly lesser extent with their 7970 launch.


Sigh, benchmarks clearly show that 7990 >= 690 and that, like the 690, beat all single gpu cards, therefore I call bs.

You can call what you like but the facts shall remain the same, thanks to crappy drivers the 7990 is a pile of poo.
a b À AMD
September 20, 2013 8:40:20 AM

bruce555 said:
I love how the last few posts have been completely on topic.


Yep, kinda got personal. Happens from time to time in here. I imagine the OP quit reading
a long time ago, as he was interested in the 9970
September 23, 2013 9:25:56 AM

toyftw said:
bruce555 said:
I love how the last few posts have been completely on topic.


Yep, kinda got personal. Happens from time to time in here. I imagine the OP quit reading
a long time ago, as he was interested in the 9970


Like most new GPU silicons, there is a thread made to talk about rumors and speculations. But it's about the GPU's and it last for month's. Same as CPU's. One thread for each camp. They make for some of the best conversations I have on this site. GET BACK ON TOPIC!
September 23, 2013 9:35:10 AM

I apologize for straying off topic, but you have to allow for a little hop in that Nvidia didn't completely screw people like me over. Anyway, the r9 290x (i think that's the name) could very well beat the titan/780 apparently, which is nothing but good, although I do prefer Nvidia, because it drives down prices.
a b À AMD
September 23, 2013 10:48:04 AM

apower101 said:
Oh, and here are the charts:
http://www.techpowerup.com/191312/radeon-r9-290x-pictur...

*although, this might be a cherry picked sample, thoug I don't see why it wouldn't retain/improve performance with future driver releases.
AMD is stepping it up.


Well, it should at the very least force Nvidia high end GPU's to become a
more competitively priced, if and only if they(AMD Mfg's) can get enough shipped to retailers
in Q4, in which we the consumers will win no matter which platform we
go with.

The rumored specs are quite interesting and impressive if true.
September 25, 2013 9:19:20 AM

The fastest card Hands down right now is the HD7990 it smokes a Titan and 780 so all of you are debating about what? AMD still wears the crown
Everyone knows Titan blew butt nuggets and I am not being a fanboy My crossfired 7970's at 1125/1545 Killed 2xGTX760 BY LIKE 60 FPS That is pretty damn sad knowing my cards aren't even clocked that high
Besides AMD has proved you don't need to spend a $1000 for top tier performance I paid 752.00 for two reference 7970's that still beats down games with no issues
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