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The i-5 is core locked. So you won't be able to overclock without the 4670K variant. You don't have a cooling unit so I am assuming you will use stock or already have a hyper 212 or equivalent. To improve this build I would drop the SSD and get a 4670K, or wait for more money to get both. Alternatively, you can drop the SSD now and buy it later while you wait for more money. Any PSU less than 50$ is sketchy and generally not a good idea, especially if it's produced from...
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The i-5 is core locked. So you won't be able to overclock without the 4670K variant. You don't have a cooling unit so I am assuming you will use stock or already have a hyper 212 or equivalent. To improve this build I would drop the SSD and get a 4670K, or wait for more money to get both. Alternatively, you can drop the SSD now and buy it later while you wait for more money. Any PSU less than 50$ is sketchy and generally not a good idea, especially if it's produced from low-tier OEM. I would build:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1xTti

The reasons are simple. This PSU isn't garbage, this CPU can actually be overclocked and these days you want a 4.5ghz i5, and lastly this motherboard is the proper z87 chipset. It is never a good idea to skimp, especially when you can get better parts if you hold off on the SSD. The performance an SSD brings is negligible when compared to a 64MB Cache, 7200 RPM HDD with a properly configured/maintained version of windows.

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hm ok ty
 
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Ya... No. You can OC a K sku processor with both the B and H series motherboards. I am not sure where you got that notion from. Granted, not by much but you can definitely do it. The Z87 board is what is desired because you can OC to a greater extent when compared to the cheaper chipsets. That is why I have it in the PCpartlist, along with 4670K.
 
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Ya... No. You have very very limited OCing on an H series board whether or not you use a K sku processor .
And since the OP didnt mention any desire to OC , and chose parts that cant OC its reasonable to assume he doesnt want to OC and spending extra money to do so would be a bit pointless

 
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Ya... No what? "Granted, not by much but you can definitely do it." We know the other chipsets have limited OC ability, that is why the recommended build list is using a Z87 board, with a 4670K. You know..., so that the OP can OC to 4.5Ghz and smash everything? "Any improvements I'd really appreciate." He is asking for help on improving his part choices. The only reasonable assumption you should make is that he doesn't know that he needs a K series CPU to overclock and that his CPU pick isn't as good as it could be. Spending an extra 50 bucks for a CPU that has double the potential is very worth it when the SSD can be dropped for another day. There is nothing "a bit pointless" about that. Why don't you stop s*** posting in this thread to protect your wounded epride, so I can go back to being a nice person giving advice on this forum?

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LOL !
 
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I too type LOL when I have nothing of value to reply with.
 
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I type LOL when someone says something truly ridiculous .

Your suggested improvement to the OP's build wont improve game performance , costs more ,and since it has no SSD it it will make the computer feel sluggish .
I suppose it depends on what you would call an improvement . You may like that sort of failure

But the OP should still replace his motherboard with a similarly priced H77 chip set board
 
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Now there is a position, albeit one without supported facts but a position none the less. An OC'd CPU will generally pull +10-20 FPS, and can make a hell of a big difference for tasks not related to gaming. And if you find yourself in a 30 fps position now or in the future, 10 - 20 fps can make a whole lot of difference. So if you think 10-20 fps isn't an improvement in game performance then we would simply have to agree to disagree. And as to a system without an SSD feeling sluggish... I can't speak for other computers, but my HDD running windows opens up word/anything else within 1 second. I have never experienced sluggishness with my HDD, but then again I have a properly configured OS in a pristine running condition. The only program I cannot open up within 1 second is photoshop. I'll live. You can always upgrade to an SSD. You cannot simply buy a new processor and motherboard later on down the road for that extra 10-20 fps because you decided to get an SSD instead first. Here is some side reading with benchmarks on page 5 if you're interested Bit-Tech Haswell stock vs OC. As to the OP, you've got 2 positions to chose from; I recommend you take the one best for you, and closed the thread if you have no more further questions.

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An OCed processor with that graphics card is not going to make any difference at all .

As we have seen with modern graphically intensive games the cpu is often less important than the graphics card .
Here
http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page7.html
you can see a relatively weak $100 AMD quadcore matching the performance of a much more powerful $220 intel i5 when they run the same graphics card .
Yes, you might see some performance increases in some games by overclocking if the game is poorly threaded , but that is not going to be the case very often from this time forward

so we are back to :

LOL


[ you can see my earlier comment about why I use that particular expression ]
 
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