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August 29, 2013 7:54:33 PM

Hello All,
would love some input and opinions on my build as it is my first and I am not the most knowledgeable on the subject.

I am building this for gaming. Traditionally all i used to play was dota, CSS and WOW. I played these at low graphics as I don't usually fret on visuals and more enjoyed the competitiveness and playing experience with friends. But having seen some of the stuff my friends run, I would now like a better computer that can run newer games at a good FPS and detail.

I will be running 2 screens but only ever 1 game at a time. The 2nd screen is for browser, music, skype etc.

I should also add I have 0 interest whatsoever in overclocking.
However some people say the Z87's are better overall. Thoughts ?

Any other questions, do not hesitate to ask.
Thank you in advance guys !

My main concerns and questions are:
Is my choice of CPU/GPU good ? Will 1 bottle neck the other or are quite similar ?
What MOBO should I use ? I have 0 experience here.
Do I have enough power with my PSU?
Is everything compatible ?
Opinions / Thoughts / Criticism ?

My build will consist of:
GPU: MSI OC HD7870
CPU: i5-4570
Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-I
SDD: Samsung 840 120Gigs
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600 V3
Memory: 8G Single 1600 G.Skill Ripjaws-X
HDD: Seagate 3.5" Barracuda 1TB ST31000DM003 SATA3 7200RPM 64MB HDD
Cooling: Coolermaster Hyper-212 EVO Universal CPU Cooler
MOBO: Asus H87 Pro
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August 29, 2013 9:42:09 PM

i bought an overclockable processor so i looked mainly into the appropriate boards when i was building, but the main logic i see with that is that a) a lot of the z87 boards came with some more stuff than their non-overclocking counterparts (such as many of them supported multi-gpu, had more sata ports, and some other stuff). If I were to guess in terms of the actual building quality, it might be that the quality is a bit higher because it has to handle and control more power to the cpu than the stock clock (but that's just a guess, the extra goodies is the only one im more confident with). Also a fair portion of the z87 to me seem to be just made for higher end systems who need the extra power, and so there for you would want a better board for that better system.

if it's single gpu i believe that's fine, although i might suggest getting one of corsair's better models (not saying cx is particularly bad, just that a better psu is always better)

i'd look into fractal design for cases, a bit less flashy, but good as well as quiet (i believe the full tower is the define xl r2 while the mid tower is the define r4)

it's more expensive, but look into a 250 gb samsung evo. decent size and price

make it 2 4gb sticks of ram

at a quick glance the board looks fine, many like asus
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August 29, 2013 9:43:09 PM

Good selection, no bottlenecks, would suggest 2x4GB in DRAM to be able to use dual channel, up to 10-15% performance increase, and might look at the Asus 7870 GPU, love the cooling design and besides I won't touch MSI due to their lousy QC (quality control) and poor support
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August 29, 2013 10:09:50 PM

Thank you for the quick reply gentleman (and ladies?).
The use of 2 ram sticks instead of 1 is a great tip. Something I had no idea about.

I wont be needing a larger SSD, I currently use a 320 gig laptop which I have had for 3 years, do not own an external HDD and still have like 20% left. So I figured 1 TB and 120 Gigs will last the life of my computer.

Case: Thanks for the tip on fractal design, I did like the Core 3000 but it does not come with USB 3.0. The newer Fractal design cases do not fit into my table where the tower goes next to my leg :( 
Any other brands worth looking at ? I have only looked at Coolermaster and ThermalTake thus far as they are the brands I hear most about.

Is the MSI really that bad ? I just picked it for the convenience it comes already OCed. If I pick up the ASUS one, will there be much performance difference ? Or is it not noticeable to the user ?

I'll do some more research on the PSU.
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August 29, 2013 10:45:31 PM

On the cases I lean towards the HAF models (personal taste), as mentioned I won't touch MSI (I only build with Asus, the Rock and GB mobos but I also do a lot of repair and upgrade work, and I get more problem calls (failure, DOA, bad BIOS, things that don't work) on MSI mobos than any other two brands combined (and that includes other brands I won't build with), they seem to have a lot of DOAs, 30-60 day failures, and things that just don't work i.e. ethernet, USB ports....About the same w/ GPUs, have more calls on theirs than others by far, basically they have poor quality control, and their 'support', if you can call it that is worse tahn other manufacturers (and I'm not a big fan of much of any of the manufacturers support)
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August 29, 2013 11:12:30 PM

CLOO said:
Thank you for the quick reply gentleman (and ladies?).
The use of 2 ram sticks instead of 1 is a great tip. Something I had no idea about.

I wont be needing a larger SSD, I currently use a 320 gig laptop which I have had for 3 years, do not own an external HDD and still have like 20% left. So I figured 1 TB and 120 Gigs will last the life of my computer.

Case: Thanks for the tip on fractal design, I did like the Core 3000 but it does not come with USB 3.0. The newer Fractal design cases do not fit into my table where the tower goes next to my leg :( 
Any other brands worth looking at ? I have only looked at Coolermaster and ThermalTake thus far as they are the brands I hear most about.

Is the MSI really that bad ? I just picked it for the convenience it comes already OCed. If I pick up the ASUS one, will there be much performance difference ? Or is it not noticeable to the user ?

I'll do some more research on the PSU.


i'm a bit confused. You were looking at a full tower before. Why would the midtower (fractal r4) not fit since as far as I can tell it's smaller than your original choice?
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August 29, 2013 11:16:25 PM

Just guessing, may be too wide, think that's like 9" for the R4
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August 29, 2013 11:36:27 PM

Yup, Spot on Tradesman.
I actually have no preference between full or mid. The R4 however is too wide to fit into my desk.

Your insight about the MSI brand has also been much appreciated Tradesman1. I am going to change it to an ASUS.

ODD QUESTION: the case specs usually have a section that says "Other CPU cooler height limitation: 177mm". Does this mean my cooler which has a depth of 159 mm will fit ? Sounds like a really dumb question, but I heard people say that the 177mm quoted may not always be correct? Is this true? That it might be smaller then 177 because something else might be in the way ? I was a bit confused when I read some one saying this.

As an update I have now changed my PSU up to the GS Range, still 600 W.
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August 29, 2013 11:42:51 PM

It depends on the case, if they give a specification for cooler clearance then it should take into account the mobo (raised off case on standoffs) and if their is a fan in that location, many cases will have a fan on the door side of the case right about where the CPU is located which can affect Cooler height
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August 29, 2013 11:47:30 PM

Thanks for all the input.
I have marked you (tradesman1) as best answer for your insight.
Thank you mc962 as well, I have taken on what you have suggested also.
Any other opinions are still welcome. Especially for things I didn't ask as I probably missed something.

I am also looking at Thermaltake level10 GTS tower as a candidate.
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August 29, 2013 11:52:47 PM

Thanks, any other questions, give a shout
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