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September 1, 2013 5:56:06 AM

hello awesome community of tom's hardware

here is my specification

AMD Phenom 2 X4 965 processor
Gigabyte motherboard-- GA 880GM UD2H
1 tb hard drive
Corsair 650tx PSU
G C skill Rip jaw 8gb DDR3 ram
Sapphire hd 7850 2 gb
Aoc i2757fh ips monitor

i want to upgrade my gpu for upcoming games like BF 4.watch dogs.AC 4 ETC..

i have two cards in my mind
MSI GTX 760 twin frozer
SAPPHIRE HD 7950

so quetion is it worth to upgrade gtx 760 over 7850 or should i wait for upcoming new series of AMD cards...
and any suggestion is well appriceated for upgrade over HD 7850

budget is around 260-280 $


lots of thanx in advance ....

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September 1, 2013 6:05:59 AM

I'd stick it out. Neither card is a huge upgrade over the 7850.

Another option with that budget and PSU is to replace your motherboard with one that supports crossfire and buy a second 7850 :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Motherboard: ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($150.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $250.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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September 1, 2013 6:09:13 AM

quilciri said:
I'd stick it out. Neither card is a huge upgrade over the 7850.

Another option with that budget and PSU is to replace your motherboard with one that supports crossfire ($100) and buy a second 7850 ($130) :) 

thank you for fast reply..i was thinking the same but heard a lot about micro stuttering problem with crossfire amd cards..
and even if it's solved with new drivers,,will two 7850 suffice for upcoming games????
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September 1, 2013 6:12:12 AM

docxxx said:
rolli59 said:
The 760 would be about 50% increase. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_760_...


so gtx 760 will suffice for upcoming games???i have to decide within 2 days to get maximum discount in buy back policy....


I believe it is a worthwhile upgrade.
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September 1, 2013 6:21:59 AM

docxxx said:
quilciri said:
I'd stick it out. Neither card is a huge upgrade over the 7850.

Another option with that budget and PSU is to replace your motherboard with one that supports crossfire ($100) and buy a second 7850 ($130) :) 

thank you for fast reply..i was thinking the same but heard a lot about micro stuttering problem with crossfire amd cards..
and even if it's solved with new drivers,,will two 7850 suffice for upcoming games????


Ooooh, yeah they'll suffice. I'm running bioshock inf@ 2560x1440 with 4xFXAA and 4xAA and averaging 60 fps, min ~40 (mine are flashed with Asus DC2T bios (factory overclock @975mhz), and overclocked from that, so they're running at 1080mhz (reference 860).

At 1920x1080, a pair of 7850's scream.

AMD's 13.8 drivers address most of the frame latency issue with dx11. (drivers don't include dx9 yet, but most dx9 games don't need the extra graphics horsepower). Nvidia's frame metering is still better than AMD's and if you were starting from scratch, I'd probably recommend Nvidia, but since you have a 7850 already (like I did), this is by far your biggest graphics upgrade on that budget.
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September 1, 2013 6:29:42 AM

quilciri said:
docxxx said:
quilciri said:
I'd stick it out. Neither card is a huge upgrade over the 7850.

Another option with that budget and PSU is to replace your motherboard with one that supports crossfire ($100) and buy a second 7850 ($130) :) 

thank you for fast reply..i was thinking the same but heard a lot about micro stuttering problem with crossfire amd cards..
and even if it's solved with new drivers,,will two 7850 suffice for upcoming games????


Ooooh, yeah they'll suffice. I'm running bioshock inf@ 2560x1440 with 4xFXAA and 4xAA and averaging 60 fps, min ~40 (mine are flashed with Asus DC2T bios, and overclocked from that, so they're running at 1080mhz, up form the reference 860). At 1920x1080, a pair of 7850's scream.

AMD's 13.8 drivers address most of the frame latency issue with dx11. (drivers don't include dx9 yet, but most dx9 games don't need the extra graphics horsepower). Nvidia's frame metering is still better than AMD's and if you were starting from scratch, I'd probably recommend Nvidia, but since you have a 7850 already, this is by far your biggest graphics upgrade on that budget.


ohk thank you very much for your advice...so i do think its my best bet......yea thanx again
Edit: will my psu enough for two 7850....
amd suggested 750 watt psu...so will my tx 650 will enough????
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September 1, 2013 6:41:29 AM

quilciri said:
rolli59 said:
The 760 would be about 50% increase. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_760_...


The 7850 is equivalent to a 6970 (72% on that chart).


I would support adding another 7850 if it did not involve motherboard upgrade with Windows install or licensing issues.
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September 1, 2013 6:45:04 AM

rolli59 said:
I would support adding another 7850 if it did not involve motherboard upgrade with Windows install or licensing issues.


Extra couple hours & a call to microsoft to install xfire vs. having a weaker graphics solution for the next couple years? To me, that hassle it completely worth it.

p.s. about the chart : Sorry, my mistake. the 7850 is there @ 67%. Totally missed it, thought it wasn't included for some reason and based my statement on tom's card hierarchy.
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September 1, 2013 6:49:00 AM

quilciri said:
rolli59 said:
quilciri said:
rolli59 said:
The 760 would be about 50% increase. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_760_...


The 7850 is equivalent to a 6970 (72% on that chart).


I would support adding another 7850 if it did not involve motherboard upgrade with Windows install or licensing issues.


You're advocating another solution on the basis of the extra couple hours it would take to install vs. having a weaker graphics solution for the next couple years?

p.s. Sorry, my mistake. guess it's a bit behind in their suite @ 67%. Totally missed it, thought it wasn't included for some reason and based my statement o tom's card hierarchy.


so now what guys..gtx 760 or two 7850..i am sooo confused.......if i buy gtx 760 then have to sell 7850...otherwise have to change motherboard....
any insight on upcoming cards of amd???
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September 1, 2013 6:51:47 AM

so guys what is the final catch gtx 760 or two 7850..i am sooo confused.......if i buy gtx 760 then have to sell 7850...otherwise have to change motherboard....
any insight on upcoming cards of amd???
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September 1, 2013 6:58:21 AM

Nothing really to report on the upcoming AMD cards but I would not change a motherboard just to go CF. The question is would you be happy to wait until the new AMD cards come out then decide?
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September 1, 2013 6:59:01 AM

No new desktop lineup from AMD this year. I would wager next spring at the earliest.

The pair of 7850's would perform at ~125% on the techpowerup chart rolli posted. For 2 hours work on the same budget, you have significantly stronger graphics for the life of your system. For me that's a no brainer.
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September 1, 2013 7:04:09 AM

rolli59 said:
Nothing really to report on the upcoming AMD cards but I would not change a motherboard just to go CF. The question is would you be happy to wait until the new AMD cards come out then decide?


i can wait but the thing is that have to wait at least for 2 month (as i imagine ,,right?) for newer card to come and it might be possible that i won't get descent discount in buy back policy....and they might be out of my budget...
and my only concern is that will gtx 760 be future proof for upcoming games at 1080 p and worth upgrade over my 7850????
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September 1, 2013 7:05:37 AM

i can wait but the thing is that have to wait at least for 2 month (as i imagine ,,right?) for newer card to come and it might be possible that i won't get descent discount in buy back policy....and they might be out of my budget...
and my only concern is that will gtx 760 be future proof for upcoming games at 1080 p and worth upgrade over my 7850????
if not then two 7850 is the way to go...
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September 1, 2013 7:10:25 AM

Tom's recommends a 3 tier jump for a significant graphics upgrade
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

the 760 is two tiers up and would be enough of an upgrade to be noticeable, but seeing as you seem to be most worried about future performance, the xfire remains your best option.

more current AMD news, no plans for 9000 series yet (8000 series is a rebranding of 7)
http://www.extrahardware.com/news/amd-change-graphics-c...
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September 1, 2013 7:36:16 AM

quilciri said:
Tom's recommends a 3 tier jump for a significant graphics upgrade
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

the 760 is two tiers up and would be enough of an upgrade to be noticeable, but seeing as you seem to be most worried about future performance, the xfire remains your best option.

more current AMD news, no plans for 9000 series yet (8000 series is a rebranding of 7)
http://www.extrahardware.com/news/amd-change-graphics-c...


yea i know...i am not so much fps freak though..i am happy with 40 plus FPS but have sensitive eyes so i prefer at least 4X AA...so if with 4x AA gtx 760 give me 40 + fps in BF 4, watch dogs GTA 5 i am more then happy....otherwise two 7850 is my best choice....but still confused cause amd cross fire is something people avoid as i had read the reviews.....
so whats your final thoughts?????

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September 1, 2013 7:46:17 AM


yea i know...i am not so much fps freak though..i am happy with 40 plus FPS but have sensitive eyes so i prefer at least 4X AA...so if with 4x AA gtx 760 give me 40 + fps in BF 4, watch dogs GTA 5 i am more then happy....otherwise two 7850 is my best choice....but still confused cause amd cross fire is something people avoid as i had read the reviews.....
so whats your final thoughts?????
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September 1, 2013 7:55:19 AM

crossfire was avoided because of frame latency issues, which are mostly fixed. The only frame latency i notice anymore is in the rare new title that still uses directx 9 (ffxiv is the only game I have that falls under that category) I'll just list the modern high graphics games I own that i don't notice any frame latency issues in.

Keep in mind, these are all at 2560x1440 - frame latency stand out more at 2560 than 1920 (lower fps)

All these are issue-free

Bioshock inf.
Dishonored
Borderlands 2 (dx9, but still don't notice any frame latency even with everything cranked, even DoF on)
Metro 2033, last light
Rage
deux ex
batman: arkham city
crysis 1, 2, 3
bulletstorm
L.A. Noire
Tomb Raider
battlefield 3

missing several, but that's all the demanding games I can think of for now


Amd's also working on dx9 support for their frame latency fix, and that likely *will* be out this year as opposed to new cards :) 
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September 1, 2013 8:05:12 AM

ohk thank you very much for your advice and time (the most precious af all)..i will update you tomorrow as i am going to ask my dealer about by back policy tomorrow......
and still looking forward for gtx 760.....will it give me 40 + fps with 2x or 4x AA in upcoming games
like BF4
Watch dogs
GTA 5
AC 4????
if yes then gtx 760 is way to go as i read lot positive review of that gpu...
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September 1, 2013 8:12:51 AM

hey guys i am also suffering from same problem

my spec is
MSI Z77A-G41 | i5-3570K@4.34GHz | Deepcool Gammaxx 200 | MSI R7850-1GD5/OC@1320MHz | Gskills RipJawsX 2x2GB@1691 MHz | Hitachi Travelstar 7k1000 500GB + WD 1TB 7200RPM Caviar Green | Gaming Series™ GS600 (600Watt) | Samsung 23.5" 1920*1080@60Hz | Win8

my real Ques is
if i go for crossifirex my r7850 with another 7850 [need less amount of money]
can my psu handle this crossfire or i have to go for gtx 760 or 770
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September 1, 2013 8:22:38 AM

You PSU can handle 2 7850's just fine. Both 7850's together use 202w total at maximum. A 760 uses 150w.
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September 1, 2013 8:22:43 AM

Himanshu Balayan said:
hey guys i am also suffering from same problem

my spec is
MSI Z77A-G41 | i5-3570K@4.34GHz | Deepcool Gammaxx 200 | MSI R7850-1GD5/OC@1320MHz | Gskills RipJawsX 2x2GB@1691 MHz | Hitachi Travelstar 7k1000 500GB + WD 1TB 7200RPM Caviar Green | Gaming Series™ GS600 (600Watt) | Samsung 23.5" 1920*1080@60Hz | Win8

my real Ques is
if i go for crossifirex my r7850 with another 7850 [need less amount of money]
can my psu handle this crossfire or i have to go for gtx 760 or 770


you have 1 gb varient of 7850 right??
if yes then there is no advantage in CF two 7850 ..cause not only you waste your money..you will lacking in enough VRAM for future games..
instead go for gtx 760..and if you can afford gtx 770 will be insane gpu for 1080 p resolution..enjoy
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September 1, 2013 8:24:51 AM

quilciri said:
You PSU can handle 2 7850's just fine. Both 7850's together use 202w total at maximum. A 760 uses 150w.


ohk thank you very much for your advice and time (the most precious af all)..i will update you tomorrow as i am going to ask my dealer about by back policy tomorrow......
and still looking forward for gtx 760.....will it give me 40 + fps with 2x or 4x AA in upcoming games?????
like BF4
Watch dogs
GTA 5
AC 4????
if yes then gtx 760 is way to go as i read lot positive review of that gpu...
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April 5, 2014 4:53:35 PM

I have same System Model GA-880GM-UD2H using HD 4650 AT 1 GB DDR3.
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And now i want to upgrade to 1 GB DDR5 Graphic Card. I want to know the new DDR5 VRAM will support for my spec ?
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April 5, 2014 6:05:31 PM

Dark Orca said:
I have same System Model GA-880GM-UD2H using HD 4650 AT 1 GB DDR3.
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And now i want to upgrade to 1 GB DDR5 Graphic Card. I want to know the new DDR5 VRAM will support for my spec ?


In stead of waking up a half year old post make your own with all the details!
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