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September 1, 2013 7:14:18 AM

Hello everyone,
I own Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit - upgrade version from WinXP home 64 bit.
My gaming rig system runs on Crucial M4 256 GB SSD.

I order both Win7 Ulitmate 64 bit and Win8 Upgrade version 64 bit. And I've decided to have a clean install of the new systems.

A) Can you please provide me with basic guide how to completely format my SSD (never formatted an SSD before, only HDD, not sure if it is different)?

B) Please provide steps to install Win 7 Ultimate. Do I need to install windows updates, servicepacks etc - before upgrading to Win8??? Do I need to activate Win7 before installing win8 or can I skip that part?

C) Can I upgrade Win8 immediately after Win7 Ultimate install finished?? Do I need to restart my PC, boot from CD and do it outside of windows? or can I just insert the CD, and start windows 8 autorun and install it while Win7 is running?

Finally, anything else I should do?
I will truly appreciate it if someone can write down the steps to format, clean install and upgrade.

Thank you.
September 1, 2013 10:43:41 AM

Still needs help.... anyone?
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September 1, 2013 11:34:02 AM

My question is why are you buying 7 Ultimate and the upgrading to 8? Why not just buy the full copy of 8 and install that clean? Its better as upgrading can cause issues.

As for you questions:

A) This is simple. When doing the install of Windows it will come to a drive selection page. Click advanced and you can then format the drive. If its the first time then you don't need to as its already blank.

B) No you wont have to install everything. Just install it then do the Upgrade. You might have to activate 7 though.

C) To do an upgrade you have to start it inside of Windows.
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September 1, 2013 12:14:07 PM

jimmysmitty said:
My question is why are you buying 7 Ultimate and the upgrading to 8? Why not just buy the full copy of 8 and install that clean? Its better as upgrading can cause issues.

As for you questions:

A) This is simple. When doing the install of Windows it will come to a drive selection page. Click advanced and you can then format the drive. If its the first time then you don't need to as its already blank.

B) No you wont have to install everything. Just install it then do the Upgrade. You might have to activate 7 though.

C) To do an upgrade you have to start it inside of Windows.


Well the reason I bought Win7 ultimate was: A) it was rather cheap (20$ on sale). B) I wanted to erase all trace of my old os that was Win7 home upgraded from WinXP home. C) I dont have access to Win8 full, only Win8 upgrade was on sale.
Now: I just got a reply from a buddy of mine, he says that "dude, you don't need that Win7 Ultimate at all, since you already have Win7 (the home premium 64 bit) - you can just pop win8 disc in, choose "CLEAN INSTALL" and choose - keep nothing" - he claims that will TOTALLY ERASE and format everything on my ssd, which means all the files and basis of Win7 and Winxp and the rest of my stored files, and install Win8 from scratch.

Is that true? I mean, can I count on that? I want to have a clean install, totally removing/formatting my old OS cause I kind of messed it up, and because it is based on an old copy of WinXP.
So should I even bother formating outside of windows (boot from BIOS), or should I listen to my friend, and just put ONLY win8 disc in, and do a CLEAN INSTALL - supposedly formatting everything anyway....?
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a c 417 * Windows 8
September 1, 2013 2:10:22 PM

Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..
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September 1, 2013 2:19:11 PM

dodger46 said:
Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..


Is all that really necessary ??? I mean sounds like I install my system twice. And the way you suggest - it seems like I completely wipe my old Win7 install, and then install 8 on the formatted drive, and the refresh it (which is basically re-installing right?).

What about the method my friend suggested? --- put the win8 cd in, choose clean install. done.
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September 1, 2013 2:50:32 PM

Ransome said:
dodger46 said:
Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..



Is all that really necessary ??? I mean sounds like I install my system twice. And the way you suggest - it seems like I completely wipe my old Win7 install, and then install 8 on the formatted drive, and the refresh it (which is basically re-installing right?).

What about the method my friend suggested? --- put the win8 cd in, choose clean install. done.

Reason you need to install to unallocated space is to allow W8 to create a System Reserved (350Mb) Partition to store Boot info etc. (Can't on a partitioned disk). You have to use the Refresh method to activate an Upgrade disk install, though there are Registry tweaks to achieve same. Refresh easier and doesn't take long...

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September 1, 2013 4:22:33 PM

dodger46 said:
Ransome said:
dodger46 said:
Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..



Is all that really necessary ??? I mean sounds like I install my system twice. And the way you suggest - it seems like I completely wipe my old Win7 install, and then install 8 on the formatted drive, and the refresh it (which is basically re-installing right?).

What about the method my friend suggested? --- put the win8 cd in, choose clean install. done.

Reason you need to install to unallocated space is to allow W8 to create a System Reserved (350Mb) Partition to store Boot info etc. (Can't on a partitioned disk). You have to use the Refresh method to activate an Upgrade disk install, though there are Registry tweaks to achieve same. Refresh easier and doesn't take long...



OK I think that shouldn't be an issue, since I already have a non-partitioned disk for my current system: I have only a 256GB SSD - I only use a C:\ - I haven't made any partitions on my current windows 7 install.
So can I do this: insert disc (from win7), choose clean install, and install win8 ?

I just want to make sure what is the best and most efficient way, and whether I need to install Win7 Ultimate or not. That Clean Install straight from auto-run seems the easiest. But does it fully format your system?
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September 1, 2013 9:41:50 PM

dodger46 said:
Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..




I just want to make sure what is the best and most efficient way, and whether I need to install Win7 Ultimate or not. That Clean Install straight from auto-run seems the easiest. But does it fully format your system? said:
I just want to make sure what is the best and most efficient way, and whether I need to install Win7 Ultimate or not. That Clean Install straight from auto-run seems the easiest. But does it fully format your system?


You don't need to install 7 Ultimate, just W8. Install to Unallocated Space like I said, and all partitions and formatting will be completed during the install process. ie. choose 'Custom Install' as opposed to 'Upgrade', it's only a 'clean' install because you choose to install to a 'clean' drive without upgrading a previous installation.
(If there are any partitions on your SSD, delete them as discussed)

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September 2, 2013 12:25:49 AM

dodger46 said:
dodger46 said:
Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..




I just want to make sure what is the best and most efficient way, and whether I need to install Win7 Ultimate or not. That Clean Install straight from auto-run seems the easiest. But does it fully format your system? said:
I just want to make sure what is the best and most efficient way, and whether I need to install Win7 Ultimate or not. That Clean Install straight from auto-run seems the easiest. But does it fully format your system?


You don't need to install 7 Ultimate, just W8. Install to Unallocated Space like I said, and all partitions and formatting will be completed during the install process. ie. choose 'Custom Install' as opposed to 'Upgrade', it's only a 'clean' install because you choose to install to a 'clean' drive without upgrading a previous installation.
(If there are any partitions on your SSD, delete them as discussed)



Please, you haven't answered my question: I already have a system installed on a single drive, set with no partitions (when I installed winXP>win7 on my SSD - I made no partitions during the NTFS format).

So I really have to understand, why not just put the Win8 disc in, inside win7, and choose "clean install", won't that 100% format my stuff?
And why must I pick custom, not format, and then do refresh... it is really confusing. And doesn't sounds as clean. I doubt this is what MS meant by clean install & upgrading to win8....

Sorry that I don't understand yet, can you also please write down the steps one by one?


EDIT: Searched online for some more guides, and found this dude from neweggg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQyxD-ifsGo
As you can see - he does not do a "refresh", also his method seems awefully tedious and annoying, since if you skip to the end, he changes something in the registery, and also right a comand prompt - both to re-allow windows to activate. I don't get it. Why is all methods so complicated.

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/a/clean-install... This guy for instance shows a guide when you clean install windows8 from your current os, and choose keep nothing, but his way involved downloading win8, and I bought a DVD hard copy of Win8 Upgrade 64 bit, so I think my path will be different...


I still have one guy that insisted that installing from the disc, while windows7 is running, and picking CLEAN INSTALL, and then picking "keep nothing" - does a full format and keeps nothing of the 2 old systems....
I think it is similar to this guy: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/window...
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September 2, 2013 12:51:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCscpdMBvtY
This guy also done a slightly different method, seems the most simple: He just boot from cd, custom install, deleted all partitions, and installed Win8. He didn't do "refresh my system" and he didn't mess up with his registery and with CMD.

......I am really not sure whats the best way, I want my system to run smoothest and fastest, since this is a heavy-gaming rig.

I am really confused from all this, I will truly appreciate the best and most detailed guide possible. (reminder I have Win7 upgraded from Winxp atm, and bought Win7 ultimate and Win8 upgrade both of 2 dvds).
Thanks..
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September 2, 2013 1:07:03 AM

I think the confusion is the difference between installing from Installation Media (like you with a disk) or from a M'soft Download using the Upgrade Assistant, which gives you a choice between Upgrade (keeping your old settings) and Upgrade (Clean install, keep nothing and format)
You truly don't need the installation that exists on your SSD, you can safely delete all the partitions on it to give you pure, unadulterated Unallocated Space to install Windows 8, which it likes. Sure you can use the Registry tweaks to activate, I find Refresh the simplest. Believe me, if you simply install, Windows will not be activated automatically...
And when you're done, refer to this to ensure you get the best out of your SSD
(I've done dozens of W8 installs using the same method each time)
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/...
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a c 417 * Windows 8
September 2, 2013 1:12:49 AM

As for step-by-step I can't make it any simpler. You'll find that the installation boosts to your Desktop instead of the normal Windows 8 Start Screen, just hit your Windows Key and type 'Refresh'

Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..
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September 2, 2013 2:07:38 AM

dodger46 said:
As for step-by-step I can't make it any simpler. You'll find that the installation boosts to your Desktop instead of the normal Windows 8 Start Screen, just hit your Windows Key and type 'Refresh'

Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..


Alright. I went through the entire SSD optimization guide as well, much appreciated, much of it was very new to me. Should I go ahead and perform all the tweaks they have detailed? is it safe to trust 100% of it? what about setting computer power mangement to Performance? wouldn't that take too much power/overheat? and what about disabling pagefile? is it really wise?

SIDE NOTE: how do I pick as best solution? I can't find this option, and I want to set this discussion to "solved".
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a c 417 * Windows 8
September 2, 2013 2:54:58 AM

Ransome said:
dodger46 said:
As for step-by-step I can't make it any simpler. You'll find that the installation boosts to your Desktop instead of the normal Windows 8 Start Screen, just hit your Windows Key and type 'Refresh'

Boot from your W8 Install disk. At the 'Where do you want to install Windows' Screen, choose 'Drive options (Advanced). Delete all partitions on your SSD till you have nothing left but Unallocated Space, and install Windows there without creating partitions or formatting.
Once the installation is complete, leave the Install disk in place and go to your Start Screen (Winkey). Type 'Refresh' and from Settings choose 'Refresh your PC'. Follow instructions, and once complete you will have clean installed and activated Windows 8. Enjoy..


Alright. I went through the entire SSD optimization guide as well, much appreciated, much of it was very new to me. Should I go ahead and perform all the tweaks they have detailed? is it safe to trust 100% of it? what about setting computer power mangement to Performance? wouldn't that take too much power/overheat? and what about disabling pagefile? is it really wise?

SIDE NOTE: how do I pick as best solution? I can't find this option, and I want to set this discussion to "solved".


Guide can be trusted, you system won't overheat as long as the cooling is sufficient! Pagefile not needed as long as you have plenty RAM, plus it's not good for SSDs. You need to change your thread to Question as opposed to Discussion in order to award a Pick as Solution ...
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September 2, 2013 3:04:55 AM


Thanks so much for all the help! you have no idea how much this puts my mind at ease!

How do I change the thread to a Question? (tried editing first message, but it didn't change anything). I just want to learn how to make this thread "solved" so hopefully it can help others.
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a c 417 * Windows 8
September 2, 2013 7:57:18 AM

Ransome said:

Thanks so much for all the help! you have no idea how much this puts my mind at ease!

How do I change the thread to a Question? (tried editing first message, but it didn't change anything). I just want to learn how to make this thread "solved" so hopefully it can help others.

Seems you can't change it, can only be done by a Moderator!

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a b * Windows 8
September 2, 2013 8:19:36 AM

Per request, I've changed the thread type from Discussion to Question. :) 
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September 2, 2013 9:39:06 AM

dodger46 said:
Guide can be trusted, you system won't overheat as long as the cooling is sufficient! Pagefile not needed as long as you have plenty RAM, plus it's not good for SSDs. You need to change your thread to Question as opposed to Discussion in order to award a Pick as Solution ...


Thanks so much for all the help. Hopefully I will get my new Win8 disc in a day or two and can have my new clean system going.

As for that ssd-optimization guide: I think I will do everything there EXCEPT for STEP19: Adjusting CPU states - basically shutting down CPU core stuff C1E, C3, C6 seems dangerous.. No idea if it is worth the risk....
Also Step 13: disable write cache buffer - I tested it and it gave me worse CrystalMark ssd test results (write went from 240 > 60).... so I think I stay away from that too..
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