Fine Tuning 4770K Integrated HD4600
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garrickaking
September 2, 2013 1:26:51 PM
I'm preparing what may seem like a strange build to some, but with the mind that I will not be switching from a 4770K processor, and a Sabertooth Z87 Mobo, where would I start to see significant benefit to my integrated graphics performance as far as RAM clock speed, etc. Is there anything I should consider as far as voltages, PSUs, etc, when preparing to get the most out of the chip in a game? I understand overall my money would be better spent 4670k with a card or the like... but this is just my first purchase... but I'd like to run RTW2 on it in the meantime until I buy my graphics card. Does anyone have any experience trying to push these yet?
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I'm preparing what may seem like a strange build to some, but with the mind that I will not be switching from a 4770K processor, and a Sabertooth Z87 Mobo, where would I start to see significant benefit to my integrated graphics performance as far as RAM clock speed, etc. Is there anything I should consider as far as voltages, PSUs, etc, when preparing to get the most out of the chip in a game? I understand overall my money would be better spent 4670k with a card or the like... but this is just my first purchase... but I'd like to run RTW2 on it in the meantime until I buy my graphics card. Does anyone have any experience trying to push these yet?HD4600 will not run any games worth messing with. Unless you're prepared to not game until you buy a GPU...then you should accommodate for that. Even a basic GPU for $50 is better than HD4600...you could buy a HD 7750 for ~$80 and that would run most games at minimum settings to medium settings depending on the game.
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garrickaking
September 2, 2013 8:53:17 PM
8350rocks said:
garrickaking said:
I'm preparing what may seem like a strange build to some, but with the mind that I will not be switching from a 4770K processor, and a Sabertooth Z87 Mobo, where would I start to see significant benefit to my integrated graphics performance as far as RAM clock speed, etc. Is there anything I should consider as far as voltages, PSUs, etc, when preparing to get the most out of the chip in a game? I understand overall my money would be better spent 4670k with a card or the like... but this is just my first purchase... but I'd like to run RTW2 on it in the meantime until I buy my graphics card. Does anyone have any experience trying to push these yet?HD4600 will not run any games worth messing with. Unless you're prepared to not game until you buy a GPU...then you should accommodate for that. Even a basic GPU for $50 is better than HD4600...you could buy a HD 7750 for ~$80 and that would run most games at minimum settings to medium settings depending on the game.
My 3770K integrated graphics would run basically every game I play... Neverwinter, EU4, CK2, Smite, Banner Saga, etc... so I'm quite certain it will run something...
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garrickaking
September 2, 2013 8:54:22 PM
garrickaking
September 2, 2013 9:47:22 PM
griptwister said:
Keep your 3770K! Why in the heck are you selling it? It's a better CPU! Buy a GPU and a H100 or something like that, Your money is better spent that way!Had a H100 and a 660Ti... don't have it anymore. Sold it when I moved because I didn't have room (North Carolina to California). Now about to buy a 4770K, H100i, and 760... but wont be buying the 760 until next month. Anyone have any tips?
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@OP Get the program Optimizer Textures (It'll be hosted on Skyrim.Nexusmods.com Don't worry, you don't need Skyrim for the program) and run it on your games' textures. If you halve the resolution of all the used textures, you should experience quite a performance gain.
I use the HD 2000 on my laptop. It couldn't do Fallout NV @ 25 fps with every setting on minimum, LOD disabled and the textures made to be 1/4 of their original resolution. So keep in mind that the intel HD family isn't exactly mediocre, nevermind great.
I'll play devil's advocate and advise you to go on Ebay; I managed to get a 2GB 7850 dual-fan Sapphire for £60. You might be able to do something similar.
I use the HD 2000 on my laptop. It couldn't do Fallout NV @ 25 fps with every setting on minimum, LOD disabled and the textures made to be 1/4 of their original resolution. So keep in mind that the intel HD family isn't exactly mediocre, nevermind great.
I'll play devil's advocate and advise you to go on Ebay; I managed to get a 2GB 7850 dual-fan Sapphire for £60. You might be able to do something similar.
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garrickaking
September 3, 2013 7:09:42 AM
Yeah definitely was interested in the MicroCenter deal. Only one is in Orange County unfortunately. So no one has any advice on improving the performance with RAM? I know it can be done... my laptop 3210M couldn't even run Magicka when I bought it. After putting in some faster sticks at 16gb and allowing the igpu to use max it can now play EU4 perfectly. It seems like on an unlocked desktop platform there would be all kinds of room for fine tuning and tweaking to get these things going....
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garrickaking said:
Yeah definitely was interested in the MicroCenter deal. Only one is in Orange County unfortunately. So no one has any advice on improving the performance with RAM? I know it can be done... my laptop 3210M couldn't even run Magicka when I bought it. After putting in some faster sticks at 16gb and allowing the igpu to use max it can now play EU4 perfectly. It seems like on an unlocked desktop platform there would be all kinds of room for fine tuning and tweaking to get these things going....The issue stems from Intel's memory controller only being able to use DDR3-1600 MHz in IB, in the 4th Gen, it may be 1866 MHz now. In contrast, the newest AMD APUs support DDR3-2133 MHz, and many boards support up to 2800 MHz if you overclock/run RAM in an overclocked state.
The memory bandwidth is only a fraction of the issue though. The shader count on the HD4600 is still extremely low.
If you can run your game on a laptop with Intel HD4K, then it must not be very demanding.
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hafijur said:
Noone in there right mind will game at 1080p with an igpu, at 1280x720 the hd 4600 will play the majority games on like medium settings at 30fps.Actually...no...
The only one that hit playable frames out of all those was Grid 2. Every other game benchmarked in that review was ~20 FPS or less, even @ 720p
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hafijur said:
'We played on the highest settings available.'So cranking all the detail up except aa. No one will try to game with igpu with cranked up details to the max except aa, thats what discrete gpus are there for.
If you're gaming at 720p on minimum settings just to get it "playable"...that's stretching quite a bit.
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garrickaking
September 3, 2013 8:10:04 AM
I think its extremely fascinating how much resistance there is to this. No one has tips for performance, just trying to convince me it wont happen, haha. Like I said, answer with the mindset that I'm purchasing this. It will be a really great time to see if I can get similar or better results from this 4770k as I got from my 3770k. Again, I'm more of a MOBA / Strategy gamer... but Europa Universalis 4 looks great to me, and runs on my 3210M... similar look to Crusader Kings 2 which ran 1080 on my overclocked 3770K perfectly. Both beautiful games. At this point I'm definitely going to pick up the 4770K and start playing with it myself and post results. I'm assuming I'll still be able to overclock the iGPU at least a bit with the H100i. Will make it all the more sweet when I pick up the EVGA 760 next month.
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8350rocks is a nice and really knowledgeable guy.
hafijur has the reputation, that if Intel were to get a turd (and I mean literal turd), polish it, then overclock it to 4Ghz, it'd still be faster than a AMD FX 8350 and consume less energy. So please, take everything he says with a cup of salt.
My advice for the HD Graphics to be optimum. Maybe faster memory would help, along with a OC on the iGPU. Or what ever Intel calls it. I mean, only you can find the Limitations of the little GPU. Lol, Everyone would tell you the same. And yes, disabling Areo is somewhat helpful. But you don't really need to do that. I personally do that so my PC can feel more snappy. It feels kind of like a cross between Window's XP and Windows 8. Lol, it's a good thing.
hafijur has the reputation, that if Intel were to get a turd (and I mean literal turd), polish it, then overclock it to 4Ghz, it'd still be faster than a AMD FX 8350 and consume less energy. So please, take everything he says with a cup of salt.
My advice for the HD Graphics to be optimum. Maybe faster memory would help, along with a OC on the iGPU. Or what ever Intel calls it. I mean, only you can find the Limitations of the little GPU. Lol, Everyone would tell you the same. And yes, disabling Areo is somewhat helpful. But you don't really need to do that. I personally do that so my PC can feel more snappy. It feels kind of like a cross between Window's XP and Windows 8. Lol, it's a good thing.
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Max_x2
July 2, 2014 12:12:05 PM
8350rocks said:
Here you go...720p:AC3: 15.5 FPS

BF3: 22.7 FPS

BioShock: Infinite: 23.5 FPS

Borderlands 2: 25.7 FPS

COD: BO2: 16.7 FPS

Crysis 3: 7.0 FPS (this one is particularly hilarious)

D3: 19.8 FPS

FC3: 8.5 FPS

Grid2: 35 FPS

Hitman: Absolution: 9.5 FPS

Do I need to go through the rest of them...?
Not that i wan't to engage in a flamewar with you..
Nevermind, thinking about i it, i do want to, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Your overheating AMD stuff must've melted part of your brain or something. I do run on that intel hd 4600 igpu, because i'm gaming maybe 40 hours/year.
Anyway... This iGPU begs to get overclocked. I'm currently trying to get past 1750MHz (stock is at 1200 for the i5 4670k), which i'm running stable at the moment. And the results in gaming are PS3-like. Not that good for a PC, but for an iGPU, i was pretty surprised. It even runs Watch Dogs, tried it myself yesterday. Youtube it. 30FPS+ average isn't that bad, considering this game takes a lot of resources, even on the lowest settings. So, yeah... If one can hit 30fps+ playing watch dogs in 720p, other games can only be better.
To further educate you, on RAM and Haswell this time, i invite you to read this: http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/article/1000452/Intel...
Ignorant twat like you make me hate AMD and AMD users alike. Seems like some of you guys have an inferiority complex / micro-penis syndrome.
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garrickaking
July 2, 2014 1:42:08 PM
You've kind of ressed an ancient thread here Max... but I'm glad you did. After this article I went ahead and purchased what I said I was going to of course, and viola! Was running games great on the integrated graphics before even messing with them. Turns out with the Intel Extreme Tuning and good cooling... you can play a TON of stuff. I'll ahve to say in my OWN EXPERIENCE that this iGPU was much easier to tune than the 3770K. I got way more performance out of it than out of my 3770K... on top of the fact that i was SOOOO much fun to rub the benchmarks in all the naysayers faces. I'll dig up the Far Cry 3 video
It proves those benchmarks that were posted are either extremely biased/madeup/done on a stock clock system with some severe issues?
Oh and by the way... I get better benchmarks on Windows 8.1 than on Windows 7. No joke... can't wait to see what cries of maliciousness spring up from that...
It proves those benchmarks that were posted are either extremely biased/madeup/done on a stock clock system with some severe issues? Oh and by the way... I get better benchmarks on Windows 8.1 than on Windows 7. No joke... can't wait to see what cries of maliciousness spring up from that...
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