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navask01

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Hi all,
I'm going to build my first rig in a month. It's going to be a budget gaming rig. I've already been through a fair bit of the forums here and the rest of the internet. I cannot for the life of me figure out which CPU to get-intel or AMD.

Both sides have been lambasting each other over which is superior but that just confuses me more.It refers to overclocking and i'm not familiar with that scene at all.If it helps,i won't be overclocking in the near future,at least not until i learn more and decide to.Stock speeds should suffice,i hope.All i want is a CPU that would handle games in a relatively decent manner.And i by decent i mean a good compromise between visuals and performance. No point in getting good performance when the visuals get hit badly and vice versa. I'm coming from a Xbox 360,if that helps.

I'm intending on running games at full HD resolution(1920 by 1080). Probably run games like Skyrim,BF,CoD and the such. And run the usual suspects like MS office and general web surfing.No video/photo editing of any sort
I've narrowed down my GFX card to either the Radeon 7870 or the GTX 660. As you can see from my lack of knowledge throughout the entire post,i don't want to be upgrading year on year.I intend to build a rig that won't need too much upgrades and last me a couple years.What i can tell you is that i do intend on adding another GFX card at a later date in a Crossfire/SLI configuration(i only know the term,not how it works yet). In this kind of configuration,i'll be adding the same make of GFX card that i used initially.With this in mind,i don't want to get a CPU that will be underpowered(is that the correct term?) for this.

Seeing that i intend to getting a discrete GFX card,onboard video on the MB is not required.Try to scrimp money there. So,depending on what kind of recommendations you experts can give,i'll then choose later.

I wish i can give you a proper "budget" but i live in Singapore so the prices here inflated and we don't have any of the MIRs or discounts that you guys periodically enjoy.I'll let you guys know what my budget is though,800SGD which is approximately 630USD.But like i mentioned,prices here are inflated.Here's an example.The cheapest Radeon 7870 i found here is approximately 259USD.
 
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I tried to download your price list, but something screwed up explorer.

It really is not so bad to have a cpu/motherboard bundle. Presumably you will get a compatible motherboard for your cpu.
On the intel side, if you buy a 4670K, 0r 4770Kyou want a Z87 motherboard to enable overclocking.
If you buy any other haswell cpu, a B85 based motherboard will be a bit cheaper and will do.
If you look at ivy bridge cpu's, the same holds true. 3570K or 3770K will want a Z77 motherboard, and anything else will want a B75 motherboard.
Thinking about it, a cpu/motherboard bundle should cost less than the graphics card. Perhaps 80% as much.

Save some money and do not bother with planning for crossfire or sli.
Here is my canned rant on that...

maarkr

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first build???? brings back memories. just do your homework on the sites that compare the stats.. in the real world, you won't find that much difference. I built AMDs for 15 years, but last year I switched to an i5 chip, then AMD came out with a good competitor... but if u keep a chip for 3-4 years, you'll prob need a new mobo anyway, so it boils down to what sounds best to you for the best price. If you're doing gaming, put your money in the GPU card.
 

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The simple reason for that is because neither has absolute supremacy about the others. Just about every chip on the market has some metric that puts it on top.

You have to pick your priorities and then weigh your options based on that. When I pick parts for myself, I try to balance $/performance and $/watt but many people choose to ignore [strike]$/watt[/strike] performance/watt.
 

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@maarkr- yea,i'm beyond late to the party.I'm intending on sinking about 30% of my entire budget on the GPU.But i don't want to get a CPU-GPU combination that is not ideal for each other. The crossfiring thing i mentioned

@jessterman21- i don't have the price guide for intel chipsets at the moment but i did get an offer on the AMD set. M5A78L-M LE and FX 6300 for 200USD total. If i can be so lucky to get an intel chipset and mobo at that kind of price range,i'd be happy

@invaliderror- it's not like i want to diss the experts(and i don't have the knowledge or authority to) but guys like me who know jack squat about this kind of stuff get easily confused.More confused after starting our search on the internet. But thank you for pointing out the $/watt category.I'll keep that in mind as well
 

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I meant performance/watt.

Some people do not care about it because they turn their computer on only a few hours per day or aren't paying for their power and cooling. My computer is on 24/7 at ~60% average load and with similar-performing AMD chips using 80-100W more vs i5, I earn back the cost difference in 2-3 years so the more expensive i5 ends up cheaper long-term.
 
For a gaming pc, the most important component is the graphics card.
My rule of thumb is to allocate twice the cpu cost for the graphics card.
In the US, that would mean about $130 for a FX-6300 or a I3-4130. That is about the intel/amd dividing line.
Below that, amd is better value, above that, intel is better.
Budget $260 for a GTX760 or 7870.
Post a projected build using your local web sites, an we can suggest needed changes
 

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There are almost no online stores here.This is the only one.
Local Price List
They have the typical price guide of components here.I'll have to go down to the local IT mall. I've been around once and i have a rough guide on the prices.Here's the thing though.
If you look through the pdf on the website,you can see that they don't recommend CPUS and motherboards separately. They're always bundled together.For AMD chipsets,only one store sells the FX6300 and its bundled with a ASUS M5A97 EVO for SGD 324(approx USD 254).

If i look over at intel,i'm completely bamboozled.All i want to do is just gaming at 1080 rez and general web surfing and the occasional office application. No content creation. So i don't want to pay extra for something i won't use.But then again,that could be just my ignorance speaking(There might be a good deal there and i'm totally missing it)

Then i look at page 4 and then i start wondering if i should one of those "pre-built" models and then make the necessary changes i want.These pre-built units offer some savings stock.Not sure how they'll pan out if i start making changes to them.They have the Ivy bridge builds and the Haswell builds.I'm on a budget and i'm unsure if Haswell is worth the extra money, as well.

As far as GPU is concerned,i'm going to stick with the 7870.Quoted SGD277(USD 216) for the cheapest.Not sure of the vendor yet. Just for comparison,i was offered SGD266(USD 208) on the GTX660. Again,unsure of vendor yet

Barring the CPU,here's what i want.

MB that supports CrossFire
8GB RAM(Fairly standard price here, SGD 85/66USD for Kingston,Corsair,GSkill)
625W PSU(Radeon suggests a minimnum 600W if i were to Crossfire)
Casing that depends on the MB form factor.I was looking at the CM K282. &)SGD70(USD 55).Could go cheaper.
1 TB HDD
Windows 7 OEM


I do intend on adding another 7870 later on.Not anytime soon. Thanks for the help,good sir

 
I tried to download your price list, but something screwed up explorer.

It really is not so bad to have a cpu/motherboard bundle. Presumably you will get a compatible motherboard for your cpu.
On the intel side, if you buy a 4670K, 0r 4770Kyou want a Z87 motherboard to enable overclocking.
If you buy any other haswell cpu, a B85 based motherboard will be a bit cheaper and will do.
If you look at ivy bridge cpu's, the same holds true. 3570K or 3770K will want a Z77 motherboard, and anything else will want a B75 motherboard.
Thinking about it, a cpu/motherboard bundle should cost less than the graphics card. Perhaps 80% as much.

Save some money and do not bother with planning for crossfire or sli.
Here is my canned rant on that:
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Dual graphics cards vs. a good single card.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX650/ti or 7770 can give you good performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX660 or 7850 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single gtx690 or 7990 is about as good as it gets.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX660 needs a 430w psu, even a GTX780 only needs a 575w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.

Even the most power hungry GTX690 only needs 620w, or a 7990 needs 700w.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual cards do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-crossfire,2995.html

d) dual card support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) cf/sli up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.
The Maxwell and amd 8000 or 9000 series are due next year.
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Sizing a psu is easy with this table:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
And... buy only a quality psu. Here is one guide:
http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
 
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