HELP ME MAXIMIZE OUR BUDGET! 1500$ Workstation!!

Inori · Sep 3, 2013

Okay so this build would mostly be for rendering and working in 3d programs like Autodesk Maya, ZBrush, Unreal Engine (UDK), Cinema 4d, Adobe After Effects & Other Adobe Suite, and other smaller 3d programs. We currently have a rendering computer called "The Beast" But it has an AMD firepro which has a lot f compatibility problems with most of the programs we want to use, so we would want a k2000 or a k4000 whatever the budget allows. But I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a rendering workstation beast for around 1500$ we don't need any monitors or keyboard, the 1500 is all for the computer, thanks!

JackNaylorPE · Sep 3, 2013

That's a $760 rendering card....it's a good one but doesn't leave much room

MoBo - $190 - MSI Z87-GD65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130692
CPU - $230 - Intel Core i5-4670k http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899

Case - $155 - Corsair 500R http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1390808
PSU - included - Corsair TX650 $230 - $20 combo discount - $35 MIR - $20 off w/ promo code EMCXMVL36, ends 9/4

RAM - $70 - (2 x 4GB) Muskin CAS 9 DDR3-1866 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226223

Cooler - $80 - Phanteks PH-TC14 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709011

HD - $90 - WD Black 1 TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
SSD - $150 - Samsung 840 Pro 128GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192

GFX - $760 - Quadro K4000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133485

DVD Writer - $19 - Asus DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135304

Total $1,744 (Best I could do w/o skimping on something t hat would hurt performance

K2000 drops ya below $1500 ($1484) with a $500 price tag but it's a serious performance hit

boulbox · Sep 3, 2013

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ Outlet PC)
CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 90.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $901.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-03 21:19 EDT-0400)

add in your choice for GPU. Jack's build has some overpriced stuff, i just lowered some of the parts and made it a bit cheaper coming out around 1600 w/ a k4000

JackNaylorPE · Sep 3, 2013

This is a rendering workstation...... unless someone's time has no value, performance pays dividends. In a production environment, you'll earn that back in a week.

Blue will cramp ya style...performance is low....gave the few we had in our office to kids and replaced with 7200.14's (33 % faster than Blacks)

Mil Spec components on a workstation box is a sound investment. This isn't a gaming box....work don't get done when it goes down.

8 GB of rendering box ????.....break out Windows Solitaire to occupy ya time.

$5 more for the bigger, cleaner cooler case

Most peeps will gladly pay $20 for 6bBA an a box they sit at 9 to 5

I did make a mistake tho..... copy pasted wrong line..... 4670k on a rendering box is a huge ... make that HUGE mistake on my part. That has gotta be a 4770k. So add $100 ... boneheaded mistake .... .again my apologies,

boulbox · Sep 3, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

This is a rendering workstation...... unless someone's time has no value, performance pays dividends. In a production environment, you'll earn that back in a week.

Blue will cramp ya style...performance is low....gave the few we had in our office to kids and replaced with 7200.14's (33 % faster than Blacks)

Mil Spec components on a workstation box is a sound investment. This isn't a gaming box....work don't get done when it goes down.

8 GB of rendering box ????.....break out Windows Solitaire to occupy ya time.

$5 more for the bigger, cleaner cooler case

Most peeps will gladly pay $20 for 6bBA an a box they sit at 9 to 5

I did make a mistake tho..... copy pasted wrong line..... 4670k on a rendering box is a huge ... make that HUGE mistake on my part. That has gotta be a 4770k. So add $100 ... boneheaded mistake .... .again my apologies,

I have no idea what you are even talking about....

JackNaylorPE · Sep 3, 2013

boulbox :

Agreed. Rendering and animation are highly CPU, RAM and storage intensive applications....going "cheaper" is therefore counter productive as you wind up sitting and staring at your screen for long periods waiting for things to happen.

Rendering is multi-threaded, it therefore will benefit greatly from an i7 so "going cheaper" with a 4670k is counter productive

Rendering is RAM intensive, "going cheaper" with only 8 GB of RAM is counter productive.

Rendering is demanding application which will stress system considerably. MIL spec components provided high efficiency and low heat resulting in long life, ....."going cheaper" is counter productive.

Rendering results in large files being produced, "going cheaper" on storage system therefore is counter productive.

Her's a systems provider andf their "mid range" offerings

http://cadcomputers.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=18

You wont find any i5's, no 8GB RAM or anything but the speediest HDs in any of these systems

boulbox · Sep 4, 2013

You say that when our builds are very similar.

I just put something together that is similar to your build but cheaper and should have the same performance.

I already know that upgrading some of the stuff would give better performance but you also have to consider that he has a budget build and can't have everything. Even your build was going $200 over and i was only trying to take off the excess crap in the build that he didnt really need.

Also those mid range offerings go over his budget and are absolute crap.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($539.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($223.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($429.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1628.88
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 00:00 EDT-0400)

$100 cheaper gives better performance
Has an SSD
the GPU is a filler for a k2000

JackNaylorPE · Sep 4, 2013

You need to understand that what is good for gaming is not good for rendering. You made a gaming build, I made a rendering build suitable for every day operation in a time critical environment where equipment can't afford to go down.

I just put something together that is similar to your build but cheaper and should have the same performance.

I already know that upgrading some of the stuff would give better performance but you also have to consider that he has a budget build and can't have everything. Even your build was going $200 over and i was only trying to take off the excess crap in the build that he didnt really need.

1. It is not cheaper.

I gave two options, one with the K4000 and one with the k2000. My build with the K2000 was $1484 .... $1584 with the i7..... I don't know how you do math, but to my mind, $1584 is less than $1628.

2. I also don't understand your use of the word "crap" in this context.....

-The cooler performs 14C better than the Hyper 212 ....
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe_cpu_cooler_review,11.html

-The 1886 memory is faster than the Ballistix Sport ... a significant consideration in rendering .... and it will actually work since it fits under the cooler where as the ballistix hits that cooler .... been there, seen that.

-The SSD is faster than the Sandisk Ultra

-The WD Black is faster, more reliable and has a 5 year warranty ... HD reliability is critical with large files representing 100s of hours of effort.

-The corsair TX series is every bit the equivalent of the Seasonic M12

-The Fractal r2 (8.5 rating) has just one fan and is a rated far below the 500R (9.25 rating) w/ 4 fans and 10 fan mounts
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1082&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=6

Again, I presented two builds.....The 1st recommended a K4000 build as IMO, the $260 premium is well worth it in a production environment if the OP so cared to invest. However, I also recommended an alternate $1484 build ($1584 with corrected i7) which has 1st class production level components across the board and doesn't make the myriad of unnecessary compromises in quality and performance and STILL came in at a lower price than your build.

Inori · Sep 4, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

You need to understand that what is good for gaming is not good for rendering. You made a gaming build, I made a rendering build suitable for every day operation in a time critical environment where equipment can't afford to go down.

I just put something together that is similar to your build but cheaper and should have the same performance.

I already know that upgrading some of the stuff would give better performance but you also have to consider that he has a budget build and can't have everything. Even your build was going $200 over and i was only trying to take off the excess crap in the build that he didnt really need.

1. It is not cheaper.

I gave two options, one with the K4000 and one with the k2000. My build with the K2000 was $1484 .... $1584 with the i7..... I don't know how you do math, but to my mind, $1584 is less than $1628.

2. I also don't understand your use of the word "crap" in this context.....

-The cooler performs 14C better than the Hyper 212 ....
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe_cpu_cooler_review,11.html

-The 1886 memory is faster than the Ballistix Sport ... a significant consideration in rendering .... and it will actually work since it fits under the cooler where as the ballistix hits that cooler .... been there, seen that.

-The SSD is faster than the Sandisk Ultra

-The WD Black is faster, more reliable and has a 5 year warranty ... HD reliability is critical with large files representing 100s of hours of effort.

-The corsair TX series is every bit the equivalent of the Seasonic M12

-The Fractal r2 (8.5 rating) has just one fan and is a rated far below the 500R (9.25 rating) w/ 4 fans and 10 fan mounts
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1082&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=6

Again, I presented two builds.....The 1st recommended a K4000 build as IMO, the $260 premium is well worth it in a production environment if the OP so cared to invest. However, I also recommended an alternate $1484 build ($1584 with corrected i7) which has 1st class production level components across the board and doesn't make the myriad of unnecessary compromises in quality and performance and STILL came in at a lower price than your build.

Thanks for all the info, its helped me out a lot. and so you definitely recommend the k4000 over the k2000? and what about the amd series graphics cards, the firepros i believe. Oh and why the i7 over a xeon?

JackNaylorPE · Sep 4, 2013

If ya had a bigger budget, Id certainly like to see you in an X79 board with 32 GB of 2133 CAS 9 RAM ... but that's $650 extra

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=15458252&linkID=9242258

$389 (+$200) MoBo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131798
$540 (+200) CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492
$320 (+250) RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226422

If the people using it "get paid" then yes, you could certainly justify the extra money.

As far as the FirePro cards, it's hard to say w/o knowing the balance of what programs ya use and how often you use them.

The V series Fire pro $ for $ does better in Maya Hand benchmark but worse than the K series in other maya benchies. You best know ya application balance so id suggest ya look here

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493-8.html

boulbox · Sep 4, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

Inori :

It seems you do not know a lot about pricing.
You are comparing a $110 case which is not needed to a $60 case that is on sale. 500R is a good buy Fractal arc midi is also a good buy. Both are good quality. I just put in a case that i have used(used both 500R and Fractal) and that would fit the budget.

You compare SSDs when most SATA 6 SSDs are within 1 second of each other.

There is very little difference between 1600 and 1866 speed

and to be honest you are just making him overpay on his budget build.

lolcheckin · Sep 4, 2013

boulbox :

Hey man, i think you should just drop it.

As the previous poster (JackNaylorPE) has said, you are recommending GAMING builds. OP wants a RENDERING build.
I find it a bit ridiculous that you are accusing him for having no idea and suggesting overpriced pieces, while you follow his suggestions to fix your own recommendations! (16GB RAM from 8GB, i7 from i5 etc.)
Google "pny quadro 6000" and look at the price tags.

JackNaylorPE · Sep 4, 2013

It seems you do not know a lot about pricing.
You are comparing a $110 case which is not needed to a $60 case that is on sale. 500R is a good buy Fractal arc midi is also a good buy. Both are good quality. I just put in a case that i have used(used both 500R and Fractal) and that would fit the budget.

1. No, I just do a bit of fact checking.....are you actually making an argument that a 8.5 rated, small case with a single fan for $70 on newegg is a "better buy" than a $140 MSRP 9.25 rated Corsair 500R with 4 fans, 10 fan mounts, completely tooless design, great cable management, more slots, more bays, etc. that ya can buy on newegg for $75 ????? Are you serious ? The $5 is a "deal killer" ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139010

While that would be pretty crazy in and of itself, let me remind you that the case / PSU combo added another $20 discount which means the net cost for the case was $55. So again, how is a $60 - $70 Fractal R2 (depending on where ya buy) a better long term investment than a $75 Corsair 500R with a $20 combo discount (net $55) ?

You compare SSDs when most SATA 6 SSDs are within 1 second of each other.

2. Again, check your facts ... 1 second to do what

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269-6.html

254.19 versus 203.11 .... 357 versus 283 in writes ..... Again, we are not playing games here where 1 second of load time is no big deal....we are talking monstrous file size and heavy disk writes that can take overnight to run.....a 25% advantage is significant.

There is very little difference between 1600 and 1866 speed

3. Is the difference enough to warrant the price difference ? Again, check your facts

And let's look at this whopping price difference

2 x 8GB of DDR3-1866 is $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226382

2 x 8GB of DDR3-1600 is $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226381

So whatever performance difference there is, it costs absolutely nothing....but again while gaming is less affected by RAM speeds, rendering is heavily RAM dependent,

and to be honest you are just making him overpay on his budget build

Yes, I'm making the OP pay more with a $1584 build with top quality, long life, components across the board versus your budget component build ....but wait ..... your $1628 build is $44 more. Explain that again .

When you're gaming, your time is your own and how you spend it is your own concern. But we are talking about a production environment here ... an environment where a person's time has a financial value.

The term "penny wise and pound foolish" is certainly apt. I have a string of CAD Computers here and a build them for other engineering firms......... every one has workstation class boards, every one of them has an overclocked i7, ever one of them has hi speed RAM and plenty if it, every one of them has extremely fast storage systems and they are backed up to an NAS ..... why ? because a CAD operator bills out at $90 - $120 an hour....and when those machines take longer to do things it costs a lot more in labor than it did for the comparatively miniscule difference in component cost.

boulbox · Sep 4, 2013

Ok first of all your build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Redline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($439.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1597.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 18:54 EDT-0400)
just about $1600
(GPU is filler for k2000)

My build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($182.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($439.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1502.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 18:59 EDT-0400)

He could just switch out for 16GB of ram and/or the i5 to an i7 as you already recommended that which was why i thought that i didnt even need to mention it.

SSDs perform around 1 second with in each other in real world time. And most likely, he will not be using his SSD as storage(especially with a 128GB SSD)

Case is preference, i have used both 500R and fracal arc midi. I went with Fractal because it has fan filters. 500R has some crappy fan filters but has more airflow. Also you do not want to be adding so much fans to a system anyways. It will not making cooling that much better.

Went with the 840 evo since it seems he wants all of the parts in one place(if not i would go with Sandisk ultra which is the same price and has MLC which lasts longer)

Higher speed ram(over 1600) is just for benchmark numbers as the difference 1600 vs 1866 is minuscule
http://media.bestofmicro.com/L/T/339041/original/image012.png

JackNaylorPE · Sep 4, 2013

Not doing this anymore.... the build is a professional tool, not a toy or entertainment device. Budget gaming components do not belong in a workstation class build.

Your representation of my build is inaccurate...still missing $20 combo discount on case / PSU

Blue still a weak link...again workstation warrants black tho for the extra $45 Id rather go with the 33% faster and 3 times the size 7200.14. This is a rendering box after all and rendering results in very large files.

r2 Case still too small and still has inadequate air flow, Corsair's filters are just fine ... does "crappy" in your context mean very good ? Why does every review site list the 500R as so much better than the r2 then ? Why do the reviewers note the case getting hot and loud ?

Also you do not want to be adding so much fans to a system anyways. It will not making cooling that much better.

Again, not supported by facts . And who is adding fans....500R comes with 4 of them already....what happens to all that heat coming off the HW CPU and huge 3rd party heat sink if that single fan in the fractal fails when puter is left on overnight to do a rendering job ? Again a professional tool can be outta commission because of a $15 fan.

MoBo still a budget board, no MIL Spec components so more heat and less life .... not suitable for 24/7 especially in small inadequately cooled case..... remember after a full day of editing, rendering boxes oft left on to render overnight .

Your SSD comments are inaccurate..... you need to educate yaself on scratch disks as used in photo editing .....video editing, rendering, CAD and animation make heavy use of disk writes,

Inori · Sep 4, 2013

JackNaylorPE :

Okay, so after reading everything and looking on other build of similar price. Ive came up with a build but i am still unsure about a couple of things:
1. The Motherboard, just wondering why you chose that specific board?
2. What is the performance difference between the k2000 and the k4000? The pny k4000 is on sale right now for $655 on amazon
3. What can be "skimped" on? and by that i mean what could easily be upgraded later on, that would save $ now.
4.. Air cooling? I'm not an expert or anything but does that heatsink show better temperatures than something like the h80?
5. AMD Firepro vs Quadro Series? Why Quadro? Why AMD?

Anyways, Here's the build i currently have, it does stretch the budget (you can yell at me if anything is ridiculously bad) and the reason for it being 1800 is due to the k4000.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.60 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($87.13 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($184.97 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($128.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($182.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY Quadro 4000 2GB Video Card ($654.99)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($86.47 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1869.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-04 20:39 EDT-0400)

boulbox · Sep 4, 2013

You are living in the past if you are comparing blue vs black.

The only reason why black is faster is because of the 64MB cache(back then)
Blue has gotten the 64Mb Cache(used to be 16) and is on-par to black while being a heck of a lot cheaper.

500R only filter is the PSU filter the rest is mostly just mesh. R2 actually has fan filters beside the PSU filter. Again it is his choice to changing to 500R vs fractal, i have said both are good cases and are good buys.

Also R2 comes with 3 fans

Mobo is good enough for a budget build like this and leaving it on overnight should be a breeze. Don't know where your facts of "oh this build is going to overheat at high" when you"jack" knows jack shit

popatim · Sep 4, 2013

Budget not big enough IMO.
3930k - $570
2011 Mobo $375
32g ram - $250
2x7200.14 - $260 (source and destination drives)
1x 120gb Evo - $110 (OS, programs, and scratch) (i hope 120 is big enough)

- out of money ---
:-(

JackNaylorPE · Sep 5, 2013

boulbox :

Let's see, ya put in a RAM / Cooler combo that interferes with one another and several iterations later ... a pretty serious error .... then ya argued against 1866 memory when ya first build had exactly that even though it's the same price..... and ya still arguing that a 9.25 rated case isn't worth $5 over a 8.5 rated case. Lets move onto the HD.

OK...making it easy .... multiple choice.....

1. Looking at the manufacturer's web site, which one is recommended for "workstation" applications ?

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=770

Recommended use: WD Blue hard drives are tested and recommended for use in PCs, industrial applications, notebooks, netbooks and external enclosures.

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=760

Recommended use: WD Black hard drives are tested and recommended for use in PCs, high-performance workstations and notebook computers.

I guess the manufacturer "didn't get the memo" about the blue matching the black's performance.

2. Which one has a 5 year warranty ?

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=760
WD Black carries the highest available warranty protection on the market, a 5-year limited warranty

I started out building CAD workstations 20 years ago for the company that bears my name. Since then have taught AutoCAD and done builds for professional, corporate and municipal clients. Do you even own a copy of AutoCAD ($4195 MSRP) ? Maya ($3,675 MSRP) ? What experience are you drawing upon with these applications when drawing your conclusions ?

boulbox · Sep 5, 2013

Ram fits under, it doesnt even have tall heat sinks.

Once again, i am saying that Case is preference to him.

For CAD, just being able to use it does not mean you properly know what build to go.

Yes blacks are meant to be for workstation but i am saying it is not needed. The 5 year warranty is cool but i have my WD drives for more than 5 years that still works. It is meant to be a budget station not some High end workstation that you use for your "business".

Yes i put in a 1866 speed because it was the same price to a 1600. Now the 16GB version 1600 vs 1866 is a $30 difference that he would save. Please i am done. I had more than enough ignorant people in my life

Also will not be posting on this thread anymore, the OP has more than enough info for his build that he can use.

JackNaylorPE · Sep 5, 2013

Ram fits under, it doesnt even have tall heat sinks.

Here's the link YOU posted . I've had a set and tried w/ a Hyper 212 .... it doesn't fit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148721

Just inherited another hyper 212 now laying in my dining room table,I took the Hyper 212 out of a users build .... his Haswell CPU (4.6 Ghz) was breaking 88C. Upgraded him form an Antec 300 w/ 2 fans and Hyper 212 to an Antec 1200 w/ 8 fans and Phanteks cooler .... dropped 10C

Yes blacks are meant to be for workstation but i am saying it is not needed. The 5 year warranty is cool but i have my WD drives for more than 5 years that still works.

Well given the conflicting advice from you and the actual manufacturer of the drive....given the relative experience between the two sources, I think I gotta go with WD .... the biggest load on your WDs has likely been loading game maps for 20 seconds .....no comparison to the constant thrashing during overnight batch rendering.

For CAD, just being able to use it does not mean you properly know what build to go.

That could be true..... but it's a certainty that not having direct knowledge of what loads particular applications put on a PC, you can't even begun to guess what component requirements are. My thinking is you will have a different outlook once ya have 100 or so workstation builds under ya belt.

boulbox · Sep 5, 2013

Ok first build
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cml8gx3m2a1866c9b

second build(due to you saying oh you should go the 2011 route because you have such a high budget /sarcasm off)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2k8g3d169ds3
i went with these because he has 8 slots for ram(on that build) which can fit (not fit under) a 2011 motherboard.

Also you are comparing a $30 CPU cooler that i put in because the 2011 socket does not come with a CPU cooler with a cooler that is meant for higher overclocking.

And not to mention your unreliable testing method
"Oh i should switch out this cooler and put it in another case then say it's totally the case that is doing most of the work"

HELP ME MAXIMIZE OUR BUDGET! 1500$ Workstation!!

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