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September 3, 2013 5:11:38 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: October 2013

Budget Range: $1000 USD

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, critical listening, reddit

Are you buying a monitor: Yes (Monoprice Pro 27 in IPS--not included in budget)



Parts to Upgrade: PSU, Mobo, maybe CPU/GPU

Do you need to buy OS: Yes (Windows 8--not included in budget)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon.com

Location: Los Angeles (Need I say more?)

Parts Preferences: Seasonic PSU, no other preferences

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 2560x1440

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I wish to run Rome II Total War on maximum settings at a resolution of 2560x1440. I also hope to both shrink and completely silence my rig. When I say "silence," I truly mean it. I don't want to hear the fans even running at minimum; the system ought to be imperceptible from a metre away.

Additional Comments:

I already own the following:

Current build-

CPU: i5 3570k, Intel
RAM: Blackline Enhanced 4x4gb 2133 mHz, Mushkin
GPU: GTX 670 FTW, Evga
Mobo: Extreme6 Z77, AsRock
CPU cooler: Hyper 212 Evo, Cooler Master
Case: P183 V3, Antec

New build-

Case: Corsair 350D

I saw the Corsair 350D on sale for $60 on amazon last weekend, so I bit. Aside from the 350D, nothing else is set in stone with regards to the new build. My preferred PSU would be the Seasonic FL 520W Platinum, which is fanless. Silence is imperative; it is by far the most important consideration to take in to account. I assume I can sell my parts for half of what I paid for them, so, if need be, the budget may stretch over $1000. I appreciate all and any members who can offer me a solution.

Regards,
Kenneth
September 4, 2013 4:35:59 AM

This idea came to me as was reading your post. If you think "out of box" then this is just for you. (maybe) :D 
http://www.corsair.com/en/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-ca...

First are planing to dowater cool build? You are going to use SLI? Then it is good way to go for a custom water loop.
If you take this case you do not need new mobo. You can just add other video card or buy new two cards to sli.

Then you need goood psu. Seasonic or rosewill are good. Id buy this now.
Edit. Links was missig http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-rbr1...
Full 1000w for 100$ price. And you do not need to think is there enough wattage in your system :) 

Then just get two GTX 770/ 780. Or one GTX 670 FTW and go for water cool build.
September 4, 2013 4:41:27 AM

you dont need to upgrade.

note gtx titan can't max. out rome 2 1440p
but gtx 670 is plenty for ~high settings

i5-3570k is a top cpu, only a idiot would replace it.


your motherboard wont fit in the 350D because only matx mobos fit in there.
would recommend fractal define r4, but you already purchased 350d


if you want a silent pc, get low rpm fans.
passive psu not worth it, too expensive.
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September 4, 2013 7:46:16 PM

@AxlFone: I would go so far as to say that playing Rome II at 1440p is secondary to silence. I understand that around here, "silence" means a machine giving off ~25 dBa from a metre away--I hope to have a build that produces ~16 dBa. So, watercooling is out of the question for me; pumps are too loud. I understand that usually performance and silence are mutually exclusive, but I've got the money. The Seasonic FL 520W fanless PSU seems more than enough for me--as I do not plan on overclocking this new build, I ought to have plenty of headroom to spare. I used a PSU calculator to determine how much wattage I need--it recommended 450w, even with a Titan.

@Marcopolo123: Even the mighty Titan can't max Rome II at 1440? What a shame; I suppose I ought to wait for the AMD 9970 to come out before ordering a new GPU...

I just read over a couple of Rome II benchmarks and saw that hyperthreaded CPUs have significantly better performance with the game. As I do not plan to overclock, should I get a 3770s or 4770s? In any case, I will be buying a new motherboard. I already have the Corsair 350D sitting in my closet--it IS the case I will be using.

The passive PSU is too expensive? Last I checked it was only $140...

Regards,
Kenneth
September 5, 2013 4:58:34 AM

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I just read over a couple of Rome II benchmarks and saw that hyperthreaded CPUs have significantly better performance with the game. As I do not plan to overclock, should I get a 3770s or 4770s? In any case, I will be buying a new motherboard. I already have the Corsair 350D sitting in my closet--it IS the case I will be using.


if you buy from US then best buy is intel xeon 1230V2 + 1155 mobo. If you live in EU then xeon 1230V3 + 1150 mobo is better choice. It all comes to price.
Both are like 3770 / 4770 but cheaper. They still do have HT + 8 treads. For water cooling pumps are silent. You just need to get good one.
Like this. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16737/ex-pmp-203/Swif...
You can not hear this pump 20cm away.from its location. Sure air cooler is easy way to go. Just get silent cpu cooler. There is one big benefit with water loop. It makes GPU silent too. Here is nice water cooled 350D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUPLkB9kNPQ

PSU are silent. There are like semi passive PSU from seasonic. They do spin fan only when they are on load. Look in to this.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Seasonic...
September 5, 2013 6:44:48 AM

simply stay with i5-3570k, upgrading to i7 not worth it!!!

xspc raystorm 750 ex 240 would be my choice
September 7, 2013 10:31:25 AM

@AxlFone
The 1230V2 looks great--because I am not overclocking, I assume that I can use a H77 board.

As for water-cooling, how much would a CPU and GPU cooling setup cost? If such a setup could be silent, well, that would be perfect.

I had no idea that such PSUs existed. I'll look further into that.

@Marcopolo123

I'll be leaving my current setup as it is, only moving my RAM over into the new build.
September 7, 2013 11:21:35 AM

Yes B-75 os H-77 are fine with xeon. It is lot cooler cpu than 3570k or 3770k
Because it do not have iGPU. So I suggest to stay on silent air cooler for now and save some money to proper water cooling set. It can cost easy up to 500
Pump is 80-90 if D5 , Rad is 100 , fittigs and tube are not so much ras is some money too. Then it comes to CPU and VGA blocks VGA block is about 100 mayne more. And proper cpu clock is not so much. All litle things cost money sobest is make good plan and not in hurry. This samle of GPU block http://www.frozencpu.com/products/20991/ex-blc-1513/EK_...

I think this looks really cool http://www.frozencpu.com/products/20925/ex-blc-1506/XSP...

Must get this if they make 780 version :D 

Remember that fittings need to mach you parts and tube like this.

This is good fitting http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10037/ex-tub-606/Bits...

I like this gigger tube and fitting size.

Here you can "steal" some ideas to your build. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNTEO4-yHs

And here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUPLkB9kNPQ

But sure you can buy first cpu water starter kit and uppgrade it later. But you get better parts if you buy then separetly. Better fit your needs and look what you are after.

September 11, 2013 8:29:21 PM

@Axlfone

I've decided not to sell my 670 FTW and instead purchase another one (a friend's for $230) to use in a SLI configuration. Otherwise, I would have to spend another $400 or so for AMD's Hawaii flagship (to be priced at $600). Is there any chance that I would be able squeeze in water cooling for 2 GPUs on a MATX board?

Also, I am yet to find a H77 board that has 2 PCI-E 3.0 slots. Is it possible to use a mix of PCI-E slot types in a SLI setup? If not, then I most likely will purchase this motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If the Xeon runs as cool as you say, then I should be fine with my Hyper 212 Evo until I can purchase all of the parts for a full water-cooling setup.

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September 12, 2013 2:15:23 AM
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I've decided not to sell my 670 FTW and instead purchase another one (a friend's for $230) to use in a SLI configuration. Otherwise, I would have to spend another $400 or so for AMD's Hawaii flagship (to be priced at $600). Is there any chance that I would be able squeeze in water cooling for 2 GPUs on a MATX board?

Also, I am yet to find a H77 board that has 2 PCI-E 3.0 slots. Is it possible to use a mix of PCI-E slot types in a SLI setup? If not, then I most likely will purchase this motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If the Xeon runs as cool as you say, then I should be fine with my Hyper 212 Evo until I can purchase all of the parts for a full water-cooling setup.


Nice. Well I do not know any H77 mobo with SLI support. You sure can try squuze it lower price. Just look some good deals.
But now you need Z-77 mobo and they cost more. Asus is good but price is 200 :( 
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-maximusvg...

You can use mix of pci-e ports. But you still need sli support if you want to sli. But if you just want use two videocards then it is fine. (not sure of this) Only platform II have build such pc was 2011 for video editing.
That build did have two video cards ,not in sli. But mobo did have sli support. So best take mobo that do have sli support or use one card.

Xeon is so cool that you can use intel original cooler.
Edit. Must tell you this now before you buy parts. ATX case is easy to build waterr cooling build first time. ATX mobo is better if you plan use sli.
If you have not enough money to water cool whole build (cpu + gpu's)
then maybe best do it with air coolers. Asus is silent cooled gpu.
CM 212 EVO is cheap. But id suggest to take other cooler.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-BW-Support-Socket-Dr...

This cooler works so well that you can remove fan from cooler and mount it back of case. Or top if like that better. This cooler is orginaly planed to work without fan. Fan is just added later to perform cooling.

In 350D you can trow in 2 rads. 240 or 280mm top you can mount 30mm thick raad. Front up to 60-80mm thick rad.
If there is room 35mm thick rad on top then take NexXxoS rad. Here is the thing with corsair 350d . Top fanmount is in lower postion than rest of top. This is not good.
For rads. This top of corsair 350d Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper Slim Profile Dual 120mm Radiator
+ this front. 80mm thick was more expensive. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16825/ex-rad-426/Alph...

Then you need just cpu block +gpu blocks ,pump ,res and fittings to fit our tube+parts.

But xeon is so cool that better stay air cooled solutions. (cheaper)
Gpu side it'sbit harder but can be done.
September 13, 2013 12:38:02 AM

@AxlFone

An acquaintance of mine is upgrading from a 3770k to the 4930X and has agreed to sell the 3770k (supposedly never overlocked) for $100. Would I still be able to rely on passive cooling? My gut tells me I ought to just fill the case with some Noctua or Noiseblocker exhaust fans.

Due to my housing situation (divorced parents), I carry a good deal of gear, my computer included, between my parents' homes. At this point, I do not look forward to the prospect of draining and refilling a water-cooling system before the start of every week. I thank you for taking the time to provide links to various cooling solutions--one of my friends in a similar situation (1440p monitor, needs new GPU) has expressed interest in a full watercooling setup after reading this thread.

I have decided to go for the "easy out" and purchase a pair of Accelero Extreme Hybrid coolers, along with the Thermalright Macho Rev. A and a set of Noisblocker fans. Hopefully this setup can last me until my senior year of high school.

Thanks,
Kenneth
September 13, 2013 1:34:55 AM

Do not sell that 3770k so cheap. You can get 200 from it. Or use it. It is good chip.
What chip is 4930X? 4930k is new 2011 chip. Or 4960X but its so expensive that noone is really not going to buy it :D  Use some common sense here.

Noiceblocker PRO's are really good fans. Six!! year warranty.
Do not buy oner 1200rpm fans. Id take slowest ones andthey are 700rpm if I remeber correctly. Other good fan is scythe gentle typhoon but it is only 120mm 1150rpm is good.
Fancontroller is good buy. Then if you buy video cardcooler. Take EVGA card. Only card that do not lose warranty if you chance cooler.
This is good air gpu cooler. Prolimatech MK-26. You buy several fittings to that to fit GTX 670 /680.

Special ed looks like this.


Std ed.
http://www.prolimatech.com/uploadfile/en/newsinfo/20130...

This was ther too but I do not know anything about it :) 
http://www.prolimatech.com/en/products/detail.asp?id=24...

So my suggeestion here is that buy good video card with good silen cooling solutin.
Asus os Gigabyte. Gigabyte is maybe best. Asus is good silent one.

For thermal paste I must say use good quality stuff. Like cool laboratory.
And read first before use. Look internet how guys use it. It is really good if you remove cpu ihs and put in better paste. Ivy 3770k drops temps about 20 degrees.
Look this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-o7mK9Z8bM
And maybe you deside to keep that 3770k after all :) 

Hey I did find nice case to move around easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opBTqPIsQ-w
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v358/

Maybe best wait a bit and buy when it comes out :) 
Looks really nice and easy to work with :) 

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