Corsair H60 question

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Hi guys,

I've decided to buy a H60 and make my first attempt at Water Cooling.

My inquiry where I need your help is I've heard from various reviews that the Corsair fan they provide can be quite loud, in fact on a Youtube video it did sound how people describe "like a jet plane".

So I was wondering would there be any issues with me using my existing case fan which is currently the exhaust and use that with the H60 radiator instead of the Corsair stock fan?

My Exhaust fan runs at 100% continuously and is not loud at all so it would be a perfect solution if this is possible, its 120mm same as the corsair fan so there should be no problems right?

Thanks and I will be giving "Best solution".
 
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Those fans are good enough. In fact, they're pretty good. I wouldn't switch to anything else unless they turned out to be too noisy.

Make sure it operates on a PWM port, while the cooler itself (not the fan) operates on a non-PWM port because the pump needs to be at full power 24/7 (it's noiseless, don't worry).

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You should definitely find a fan which has high static pressure as the air will be going into a radiator, which offers high resistance.

Also, just because it makes no sound when unobstructed doesn't mean it'll be as quiet when against the radiator: the fan itself doesn't make almost any noise, it's the air moving that does.

What's the fan you have?
 

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It's the stock Cooler Master fan which comes installed with my case which is a Cooler Master N200.

If its suitable I'd like to use it as it seems a shame to waste a well working quiet fan.

If the Cooler Master fan is as noisey as I've heard and seen it is (although this wasn't the 2013 H60 version) then I'll be wanting a more quite fan, already have one so figured I'd use it if possible?
 

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To be completely honest with you, there's no better solution than trying it out.

Get the cooler and try your fan: if it's too noisy I assume you can live with the jet engine for a few days while you get a new fan.

On my single-fan watercooler I have a Corsair SP120 PWM, so that it doesn't run full-power when I'm browsing some videos, but it kicks in when it is necesssary. If your fan turns out to be too noisy, I absolutely recommend these fans.
 

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I wouldn't go for the quiet, I'd get the PWM version. With PWM you can either make it spin as fast as a Quiet or as fast as a High Performance, so that it's quiet when you're doing nothing but more powerful when intensively working: basically giving you full control.
 

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Do you know whether the stock fans for the N200 Tower would suffice? not sure their PWM as they are an exhaust fan which spins at 100% constantly.

But that's why I wouldn't mind it because I know at 100% its not loud, I'd even be willing to switch my Bios option to have the CPU port fan be on 100% constantly.

The model they use in the case are 120mm Cooler Master XtraFlo fan, would that operate ok on a CPU fan port?

EDIT: Ahh just found this link apparently they are PWM.

http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/case-fan/xtraflo-120.html
 

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Those fans are good enough. In fact, they're pretty good. I wouldn't switch to anything else unless they turned out to be too noisy.

Make sure it operates on a PWM port, while the cooler itself (not the fan) operates on a non-PWM port because the pump needs to be at full power 24/7 (it's noiseless, don't worry).
 
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Great, last question then ......

A) Should I go into Bios and set the CPU to fully power the fan at 100% or just leave it with the PC controlling the RPM like it would with an Air fan?

B) The XtraFlow I have is currently the exhaust so I have two options either operate it as a push through the radiator from inside the case or if I just flip the fan around will it operate like a pull (air from outside the case).

Sorry if that last question sounds dumb I just don't know if the XtraFlow's are supposed to be attached push way only like they are currently fitted now in the case?
 

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A) Right now you should let it like it is. When it is being used as the CPU Cooler fan you should search in the BIOS for some sort of smart control (in my BIOS it's called Smart Fan Control), which will allow you to configure PWM. When in the OS you can use programs such as SmartFan to further customise.

B) It should be pulling air from the cooler and throwing it outside, there have been tests (which I can't really search for right now) showing it's more efficient to pull than to push air through the cooler.
 

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My motherboard for example has two CPU ports, one which is PWM and the other isn't (PWM has 4 pins), so just make sure to plug it in the CPU port with PWM if there is one without.

And like I told you before, you can get lots of fans and if you try them when they're not pulling/pushing air from the radiator they're really quiet: it's the air moving through the pipes that makes the noise. Since your fan doesn't have *any* obstruction, it's basically soundless. Once you try it out in the radiator you'll see it'll make some noise, but with PWM you can customize that.

Unless the fan itself is making a noise (clicking for example), I really doubt any PWM fan will have a better performance/sound ratio than any other unless it's spinning faster than the other can.

However the kind of fan matters, for heatsinks you need Static Pressure of around 3.0 or higher, whereas in Exhaust fans you'll want higher CFM because there's no need for pressure (pressure is good to send air into obstructions).

Only in non-PWM fans do you have to be more careful because they'll always be at full power: if you get a 4000 RPM fan, it'll be at 4000 RPM and sounding like an airplane all the time.
 

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I am actually starting to wonder if it'll be less trouble just getting a Hyper 212 Evo, going to be nigh on silent, cools almost the same and is half the price.

But Air fans are the past so its time to take a risk and move on I think, I trust my XtraFlow fans their pretty quiet, so I'll give it a go.

Thanks for the help.
 

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Lastly sorry my Xtraflo fans specs are ........

2.7 mmH2O pressure
2000 RPM (PMW)
82.9 CFM

Is that enough to cool a radiator? looks a little on the light side pressure wise, what do you think, will I get away with it?
 

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2.7 will be enough, don't worry about it. I only mentioned 3.0 because it's the usual, all the radiator fans I see are from 2.5 to 3.5, that's why.

And aircooling is still really good, as long as you find a good cooler! The Hyper 212 EVO is good, although it won't allow you to achieve high overclocks, but you should be able to get some OC'ing. Don't know much about the H60 to compare.
 

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Cheers bro,

Yeah the Corsair stock fan for the H60 comes up as ......

Fan Speed: Up to 1700 RPM
Fan Airflow: 74.4 CFM
Fan Static Pressure: 3.2mm/H20

So there shouldn't be too much in it, the H60 is reported similar temps to an Hyper Evo but it beats it under load by up to 10c that I've seen reported.

Looking at those numbers actually wondering which one will be quieter because the Corsair one is spinning slower and has higher static pressure from a slower spin?

Oh well I'll just trial the options I guess, thanks, I'll be ordering one soon.

 

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Static pressure is mainly in the blades: the larger they are the better.

Static pressure affects, basically, how much air manages to get back through the fan after it hits an object. The bigger the blades, the harder it is for the air to get back because there's a much bigger obstruction that won't let it. This if in push (where it matters the most).

If in pull, it affects how strongly is it pulling the air, if I'm not mistaken, and it's noticeable when using smoke to watch the airflow. You'll see that air isn't entering from the opposite side where the fan is: it's coming in sideways near the fan ( I saw that being shown on a fan with 0.6 or around that).

And about temps, it's the load temp that matters. The idle temp is usually room temperature plus a few degrees, doesn't vary much. Load temperature however relies on how fast can the cooler dissipate the heat to keep the CPU fresh when it's burning hot.

Since you'll have access to both fans, why not test which one sounds better? No need to worry about which one is the quietest if you'll have access to both for free and can test. You will NOT see a difference bigger than 1ºC, I'm absolutely sure of that, so just rely on the sound.
 

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Well thanks for all the help I understand it all now with regards to static pressure etc .......

But I've bottled out and am going to go for the Hyper Evo 212.

Its just problem free with regards to noise from the fan to Rad grill and the pump noise possibility, I'll go with water cooling maybe in a few years when all these problems have been ironed out at purchase not having to buy or use alternative fans when the H60 is already double the price of an Evo 212.

Thanks for helping me come to a conclusion.
 

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The Hyper 212 EVO is great, won't allow you to reach ridiculously high overclocks but you'll be able to get a neat overclock, while taking full advantage of good airflow in a case.

Best of luck, feel free to post here (or make a new post) if any new situations arise.
 

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LOL I'm terrible.

I watched this install video of the Hyper 212 Evo and I know I'm going to get cursed at on here for saying this but it just put me off altogether, he made it look like such a ball ache.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrnWVHdhGJ0

Considering this is a one stop solution for me for a good few years I don't mind paying the extra for the H60 and I want the neatness and simplicity of the install (that vid convinced me of that at least) so I'm going to buy one, I've also done enough research and discussion with you that I feel if I get any noise issues I can solve it (Stock Fan or the Fan/CPU port issue).

So just wanted to let you know all your info will come in handy after all, thanks mate.

PS - May even get the H80? we'll see.
 

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The h60 will also consume some time installing, not as easy as it sounds.

Also, I'd get thermal paste (instead of using the one that comes pre-placed). Never used corsair coolers, but other cooling companies use medium-quality pastes. If you get good paste (Artic Silver 5 for example) you can lower temperature by a few extra degrees.

It won't be a HUGE difference, but it'd be a shame to get a great cooler and not use a great thermal paste, don't you think? After all, watercooling IS to shave off those few degrees!

I think there are guides here at tomshardware to apply thermal paste. I use the rice method, basically put a bit of thermal paste, a little bit larger than a grain of rice, in the middle. Then screw the cooler in. When screwing, ALWAYS do it in an X pattern. So you screw in top left corner a bit, then bottom right a bit, then bottom left, then top right, then top left again, so on so on.

It takes some time but it means the thermal paste won't get all in one side.

And one last thing: right after you apply the paste don't get all crazy because of the temperatures. There's a period in which the thermal paste will adapt to the cooler and the CPU's surface (like it's melting), so it takes some time before it reaches the best temperature. For Artic Silver 5, it's 200 hours. After those 200 hours the benchmarks should get you the best temperatures. If you don't like them, take the cooler out, re-apply paste, try again.

A small tube (3g or so) is enough for about 10 attempts, so don't worry about messing up the first tries. If you mess up, clean it up and try again.

PS: Don't use the credit card method. Sure some people say it works great, but if it forms any sort of air bubble (which you will NOT see), performance will be degraded. The only way to see if it formed bubbles would be to take the heatsink out, but if you do that you can't reapply it with the same thermal paste because you'll create even more bubbles.

PS PS: Don't get scared because of all the "how to apply thermal paste" things! It's incredibly easy, just giving you some tips to make it even easier to do and harder to mess up.
 

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Yeah not to worry I've built two PC's already, I'm not a newb I just never needed an aftermarket cooler before and knew sod all about water cooling till recently.
My Athlon is OC'ed to 3.4 Ghz and that's on the stock cooler and temps don't go higher than 65c so I never needed one before, but I'm getting an i5-4670k so will need a decent cooler to get the 4.2 Ghz OC that I'm after hence the H60 inquiry.