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September 6, 2013 1:18:25 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of September

Budget Range: Would not go over $800-900

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Surfing the web (with many tabs) , Watching Videos, Casual Gaming (Like cs:go , skyrim)

Are you buying a monitor: No, Already have a 27" Samsung Monitor.

Location: California, United States

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Primarily newegg, amazon, ebay. Others are fine

Parts Preferences: I really want a nice looking atx mid tower

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Not really sure what this is.

Your Monitor Resolution: My current resolution is at 1680x1050

Additional Comments: Already chose most of my parts. Please let me know if you can suggest me better parts.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Planning to sell my Gaming Laptop (Alienware M17x R3). Too heavy (not very portable), I hook it up to my monitor about 95% of the time, Going to sell it to get some $.

My Build:

EmilyJ's Cheap Power

Processor: AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) ($119.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $150

Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS ($74.99 @ newegg after $10 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $100

RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ($71.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $80

Graphics Card: PowerColor AX7950 3GBD5-2DHV5E Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card ($189.90 @ newegg after $25 rebate)

OR

Graphics Card: GIGABYTE GV-R795WF3-3GD Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ($199.99 @ newegg after $30 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $250

Case: NZXT phantom 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ newegg)
Or please let me know if you know any nice/colorful looking mid size cases under $90

Hard Drive: I do have a 1TB External HD so space is no biggie. Will 1 SSD suffice? or do I need a Regular HD + SSD? Max Budget for this section: up to $200 for SSD $70 for reg HDs

Power Supply: Please suggest me one that goes well with my Video Card, Motherboard, etc. Max Budget for this section: $80

Cooling: not sure what to get. Max Budget for this section: $50

DVD Burner: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $30

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September 6, 2013 1:35:38 AM

EmilyJ said:
Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of September

Budget Range: Would not go over $800-900

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Surfing the web (with many tabs) , Watching Videos, Casual Gaming (Like cs:go , skyrim)

Are you buying a monitor: No, Already have a 27" Samsung Monitor.

Location: California, United States

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Primarily newegg, amazon, ebay. Others are fine

Parts Preferences: I really want a nice looking atx mid tower

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Not really sure what this is.

Your Monitor Resolution: My current resolution is at 1680x1050

Additional Comments: Already chose most of my parts. Please let me know if you can suggest me better parts.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Planning to sell my Gaming Laptop (Alienware M17x R3). Too heavy (not very portable), I hook it up to my monitor about 95% of the time, Going to sell it to get some $.

My Build:

EmilyJ's Cheap Power

Processor: AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) ($119.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $150

Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS ($74.99 @ newegg after $10 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $100

RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ($71.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $80

Graphics Card: PowerColor AX7950 3GBD5-2DHV5E Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card ($189.90 @ newegg after $25 rebate)

OR

Graphics Card: GIGABYTE GV-R795WF3-3GD Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ($199.99 @ newegg after $30 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $250

Case: NZXT phantom 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ newegg)
Or please let me know if you know any nice/colorful looking mid size cases under $90

Hard Drive: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $70

Power Supply: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $80

Cooling: not sure what to get. Max Budget for this section: $50

DVD Burner: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $30


Ok, seems like a really good build, im going to sugest a bit more, for a bit more money.
I see you have a 250 range for a video card, well no question get a GTX760 2gb for that price, it is the absolute best card for the money and will run EVERTHING for a long time, you also dont need the 3gb on that current card (that you are probably paying extra)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i like the asus but they are preety much all the same.

A standard 7200 rpm 1TB hdd is fine, WD or any known brand really.
I think a standard fan cooler should sufice http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i like this one
Dont really know any dvd burner, just pick a decent LG for 20 bucks (they are not really important.

HF

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September 6, 2013 1:44:13 AM

If you want to overclock, I'd advise you to get the mobo without LE or a gigabyte ga970-ud3 and a CPU cooler like cooler master hyper 212 evo.
A WD caviar blue would be fine as a hard drive.
Power supply: any good brand with >550w like the xfx core pro 550w or a corsiar, seasonic, rosewill one.
DVD writer: some Samsung/LG one for ~15 bucks
The case comes with 4 fans that's enough, just buy the CPU cooler I suggested
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September 6, 2013 1:46:26 AM

Kurifox said:
EmilyJ said:
Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of September

Budget Range: Would not go over $800-900

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Surfing the web (with many tabs) , Watching Videos, Casual Gaming (Like cs:go , skyrim)

Are you buying a monitor: No, Already have a 27" Samsung Monitor.

Location: California, United States

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Primarily newegg, amazon, ebay. Others are fine

Parts Preferences: I really want a nice looking atx mid tower

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Not really sure what this is.

Your Monitor Resolution: My current resolution is at 1680x1050

Additional Comments: Already chose most of my parts. Please let me know if you can suggest me better parts.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Planning to sell my Gaming Laptop (Alienware M17x R3). Too heavy (not very portable), I hook it up to my monitor about 95% of the time, Going to sell it to get some $.

My Build:

EmilyJ's Cheap Power

Processor: AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) ($119.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $150

Motherboard: ASUS M5A97 LE R2.0 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS ($74.99 @ newegg after $10 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $100

RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 ($71.99 @ newegg)
Max Budget for this section: $80

Graphics Card: PowerColor AX7950 3GBD5-2DHV5E Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card ($189.90 @ newegg after $25 rebate)

OR

Graphics Card: GIGABYTE GV-R795WF3-3GD Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ($199.99 @ newegg after $30 rebate)
Max Budget for this section: $250

Case: NZXT phantom 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ newegg)
Or please let me know if you know any nice/colorful looking mid size cases under $90

Hard Drive: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $70

Power Supply: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $80

Cooling: not sure what to get. Max Budget for this section: $50

DVD Burner: not sure what to get. Please suggest me one. Max Budget for this section: $30


Ok, seems like a really good build, im going to sugest a bit more, for a bit more money.
I see you have a 250 range for a video card, well no question get a GTX760 2gb for that price, it is the absolute best card for the money and will run EVERTHING for a long time, you also dont need the 3gb on that current card (that you are probably paying extra)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i like the asus but they are preety much all the same.

A standard 7200 rpm 1TB hdd is fine, WD or any known brand really.
I think a standard fan cooler should sufice http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i like this one
Dont really know any dvd burner, just pick a decent LG for 20 bucks (they are not really important.

HF



Since the recent price drops, the 760 isn't as good as before in value/ performance. A HD 7950 is only ~5% slower but is 70 bucks cheaper. Go with the radeon.
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September 6, 2013 1:50:00 AM

wow guys. I love this forum. Very fast and good responses. Looking forward for more inputs. Thanks :D 
p.s. I will make frequent updates to my original post after your reponses
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September 6, 2013 1:52:35 AM

SLI/Crossfire is where you run multiple graphics cards at the same time.
Hard drive as stated above, go for the cheapest 1TB really, usually Seagate or Western Digital have the cheapest and are both great.
Power Supply, off hand I'd say XFX 550W but I'll check in a few minutes.
DVD burner is like the hard drive, get the cheapest one. Usually Samsung, LG, Lite-On have some for 15 and would be fine. I also agree that 7950 is the best for the price.

Everything else looks great.
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September 6, 2013 1:57:16 AM

Fot the case I would suggest the corsair carbide 300-R(newegg has $20 off coupon+ $20 MIR). = $50 (save $40 over your selection)

For the PSU : I would suggest the SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM 750W ($100, right now newegg has extra $20 off + $20 MR).= $60

For the HDD I would suggest either the WD Black 1 TB drive ( again newegg ad it for $80 last wk) or th2 2TB seagate Baracuda drive.

For the cooler I woud suggest COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO ( if you are not planning on OCing much).

Also for the MOBO you could upgrade it to the next model ASUS M5A97 ( has extra usb 3.0 ports useful for external hdd's)

Also I would suggest to squeeze in a SSD drive ( 128 GB one) either Plextor 128 GB M5 pro or the samsung 840 pro (amazon has it for $130), The SSD makes a huge performance gain.
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September 6, 2013 2:24:33 AM

mniasfreemag said:
Fot the case I would suggest the corsair carbide 300-R(newegg has $20 off coupon+ $20 MIR). = $50 (save $40 over your selection)

For the PSU : I would suggest the SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM 750W ($100, right now newegg has extra $20 off + $20 MR).= $60

For the HDD I would suggest either the WD Black 1 TB drive ( again newegg ad it for $80 last wk) or th2 2TB seagate Baracuda drive.

For the cooler I woud suggest COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO ( if you are not planning on OCing much).

Also for the MOBO you could upgrade it to the next model ASUS M5A97 ( has extra usb 3.0 ports useful for external hdd's)

Also I would suggest to squeeze in a SSD drive ( 128 GB one) either Plextor 128 GB M5 pro or the samsung 840 pro (amazon has it for $130), The SSD makes a huge performance gain.


I think the case is not fancy enough for her ;) 
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September 6, 2013 2:30:20 AM

If you will pardon my being forward, I believe that you can get more for your money. While there are some very smart choices in your build, you can get more bang for you buck by applying your budget like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($64.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $881.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 05:26 EDT-0400)

i5 processor (even lacking overclocking, an i5 outclasses an FX6300 any day of the week), an HD7970, a large PSU, an SSD, and it comes in under budget.

Edit: Alternatively, if you have no interest in an SSD, you could afford an i5-3570k and a Z77 ASRock Extreme4 by dropping it, though you'd be about $20 short of a Hyper 212 Evo to cool it.
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September 6, 2013 2:31:18 AM

guggi4 said:
mniasfreemag said:
Fot the case I would suggest the corsair carbide 300-R(newegg has $20 off coupon+ $20 MIR). = $50 (save $40 over your selection)

For the PSU : I would suggest the SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM 750W ($100, right now newegg has extra $20 off + $20 MR).= $60

For the HDD I would suggest either the WD Black 1 TB drive ( again newegg ad it for $80 last wk) or th2 2TB seagate Baracuda drive.

For the cooler I woud suggest COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO ( if you are not planning on OCing much).

Also for the MOBO you could upgrade it to the next model ASUS M5A97 ( has extra usb 3.0 ports useful for external hdd's)

Also I would suggest to squeeze in a SSD drive ( 128 GB one) either Plextor 128 GB M5 pro or the samsung 840 pro (amazon has it for $130), The SSD makes a huge performance gain.


I think the case is not fancy enough for her ;) 


Nice case. But like guggi said: Not my style/color :(  aka not fancy enough for me
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September 6, 2013 2:36:05 AM

mniasfreemag said:
Fot the case I would suggest the corsair carbide 300-R(newegg has $20 off coupon+ $20 MIR). = $50 (save $40 over your selection)

For the PSU : I would suggest the SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM 750W ($100, right now newegg has extra $20 off + $20 MR).= $60

For the HDD I would suggest either the WD Black 1 TB drive ( again newegg ad it for $80 last wk) or th2 2TB seagate Baracuda drive.

For the cooler I woud suggest COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO ( if you are not planning on OCing much).

Also for the MOBO you could upgrade it to the next model ASUS M5A97 ( has extra usb 3.0 ports useful for external hdd's)

Also I would suggest to squeeze in a SSD drive ( 128 GB one) either Plextor 128 GB M5 pro or the samsung 840 pro (amazon has it for $130), The SSD makes a huge performance gain.


I would stick with a Caviar Blue or Seagate Barracuda. SSDs are also difficult to squeeze into a budget build without sacrificing somewhere else.

Good choice on the PSU but it would be 80 after rebate, not 60. It will however leave room for Crossfire so I will still agree with it as long as Emily is open to it. But keep in mind it will be 100 before rebate +tax (same with all parts).
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September 6, 2013 3:03:31 AM

Jack Revenant said:
If you will pardon my being forward, I believe that you can get more for your money. While there are some very smart choices in your build, you can get more bang for you buck by applying your budget like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($64.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $881.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 05:26 EDT-0400)

i5 processor (even lacking overclocking, an i5 outclasses an FX6300 any day of the week), an HD7970, a large PSU, an SSD, and it comes in under budget.

Edit: Alternatively, if you have no interest in an SSD, you could afford an i5-3570k and a Z77 ASRock Extreme4 by dropping it, though you'd be about $20 short of a Hyper 212 Evo to cool it.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Ay9o
Problem is that's a $930 investment before rebates AND taxes. I believe the rebates will make up the cost of the taxes but that's still a $1000 initial investment. Last time I suggested a build, I want over budget because I didn't consider taxes which I assumed parts picker included...

Normally I would be all over suggesting a 7970 but I feel a 7950 would be better given the budget. Especially if an SSD is considered which I would agree with being the biggest improvement you can make. She also said 250 max on GPU so 7970 kinda out of bounds lol.
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September 6, 2013 3:08:46 AM

Jack Revenant said:
If you will pardon my being forward, I believe that you can get more for your money. While there are some very smart choices in your build, you can get more bang for you buck by applying your budget like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($82.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($64.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $881.45
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 05:26 EDT-0400)

i5 processor (even lacking overclocking, an i5 outclasses an FX6300 any day of the week), an HD7970, a large PSU, an SSD, and it comes in under budget.

Edit: Alternatively, if you have no interest in an SSD, you could afford an i5-3570k and a Z77 ASRock Extreme4 by dropping it, though you'd be about $20 short of a Hyper 212 Evo to cool it.


Thanks for the input. I originally wanted to go for the i5. I was debating between the i5 4670k and the i5 3570k which are around the $220 price range. Looked at i5 - 3350P too. But then AMD is a cheaper alternative and the FX 6300 is almost $50~100 cheaper. I would go for the FX 6300 if the difference in performance is not that big for FX 6300 vs i5-3350P

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September 6, 2013 3:10:33 AM

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Ay9o
Problem is that's a $930 investment before rebates AND taxes. I believe the rebates will make up the cost of the taxes but that's still a $1000 initial investment. Last time I suggested a build, I want over budget because I didn't consider taxes which I assumed parts picker included...

Normally I would be all over suggesting a 7970 but I feel a 7950 would be better given the budget. Especially if an SSD is considered which I would agree with being the biggest improvement you can make. She also said 250 max on GPU so 7970 kinda out of bounds lol.


Actually, you only pay taxes on Newegg items in states where Newegg maintains a warehouse. I believe that the same applies to Microcenter, though I don't know about Outlet PC. Nonetheless, eliminating Newegg from the taxable cost essentially negates tax cost, unless she happens to live in one of the three states in which Newegg maintains a warehouse, in which case a different build could be designed.
Unless the OP specifies otherwise, I always assume that budget is after taxes. Given that she'd only need to flex $30 or so front-end, that's not a big stretch.
There is no reason to restrict oneself on specific parts expenditures so long as 1, it fits within the total budget, and 2, if does not necessitate cuts elsewhere. Efficient usage of budget opened up sufficient funds for a higher-end card, and thus there was absolutely no reason to avoid it.
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September 6, 2013 3:13:23 AM

EmilyJ said:


Thanks for the input. I originally wanted to go for the i5. I was debating between the i5 4670k and the i5 3570k which are around the $220 price range. Looked at i5 - 3350P too. But then AMD is a cheaper alternative and the FX 6300 is almost $50~100 cheaper. I would go for the FX 6300 if the difference in performance is not that big for FX 6300 vs i5-3350P



The difference between an i5 and a FX6300 is pretty significant, when you have a high-end card (such as the 7970 in my suggestion). A friend of mine made the switch from a FX6300 to a more powerful processor (in his case an FX8350, but the i5-3350p is actually better for gaming) to keep up with his 7970 and saw fairly significant gaming performance increases. The FX6300 is in competition with the i3-3220, price-wise, and unfortunately doesn't perform too much better.
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September 6, 2013 3:19:22 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Plextor M5S Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($203.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.50 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $856.40
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 06:20 EDT-0400)

just saw you got an external hdd, if its a usb3 one, you wont need another hdd.

edit: found a case, dont know if you like it, but its a way cheaper: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-case-vn40006w2...
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September 6, 2013 3:29:11 AM

Jack Revenant said:
EmilyJ said:


Thanks for the input. I originally wanted to go for the i5. I was debating between the i5 4670k and the i5 3570k which are around the $220 price range. Looked at i5 - 3350P too. But then AMD is a cheaper alternative and the FX 6300 is almost $50~100 cheaper. I would go for the FX 6300 if the difference in performance is not that big for FX 6300 vs i5-3350P



The difference between an i5 and a FX6300 is pretty significant, when you have a high-end card (such as the 7970 in my suggestion). A friend of mine made the switch from a FX6300 to a more powerful processor (in his case an FX8350, but the i5-3350p is actually better for gaming) to keep up with his 7970 and saw fairly significant gaming performance increases. The FX6300 is in competition with the i3-3220, price-wise, and unfortunately doesn't perform too much better.


i wouldnt pick a i5-3550p over a oced fx6xxx, since the fx overclocked can nearly match a i5-3570k at stock, which clockes a amount higher and can be even more oced. so on a budged id pick the fx, if you got more cashe to spend id pick the i5-3570k

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September 6, 2013 3:43:18 AM

Jack Revenant said:
FastGunna said:


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Ay9o
Problem is that's a $930 investment before rebates AND taxes. I believe the rebates will make up the cost of the taxes but that's still a $1000 initial investment. Last time I suggested a build, I want over budget because I didn't consider taxes which I assumed parts picker included...

Normally I would be all over suggesting a 7970 but I feel a 7950 would be better given the budget. Especially if an SSD is considered which I would agree with being the biggest improvement you can make. She also said 250 max on GPU so 7970 kinda out of bounds lol.


Actually, you only pay taxes on Newegg items in states where Newegg maintains a warehouse. I believe that the same applies to Microcenter, though I don't know about Outlet PC. Nonetheless, eliminating Newegg from the taxable cost essentially negates tax cost, unless she happens to live in one of the three states in which Newegg maintains a warehouse, in which case a different build could be designed.
Unless the OP specifies otherwise, I always assume that budget is after taxes. Given that she'd only need to flex $30 or so front-end, that's not a big stretch.
There is no reason to restrict oneself on specific parts expenditures so long as 1, it fits within the total budget, and 2, if does not necessitate cuts elsewhere. Efficient usage of budget opened up sufficient funds for a higher-end card, and thus there was absolutely no reason to avoid it.


Well she did say she's from California, and there's a warehouse in Industry CA. I'm gonna need to look into the tax stuff some... I'm confused (3:30 am and thinking about tax doesn't work well haha.)

But making the budget work for an i5 and a 7970 would be best in my opinion. But I think if I had this budget I would take a SSD and 7950 over a 7970.

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September 6, 2013 3:53:39 AM

Thanks Guys. I am now 99% convinced to go for the i5 instead of the AMD. Some things I want to clear up.

-I have a USB 3.0 1TB WD External HD so I don't think I need a HDD for my pc. Just a SSD (any size is fine)
-I think I will stick with the NZXT Phantom 410 Case. Looked at 100+ Mid tower cases and the 410 just looks the best :) 
-What is the difference between the i5 4570k vs i5 3570k? They're pretty much the same price. I read up a little on this but still don't get what the big difference is.
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September 6, 2013 5:08:24 AM

EmilyJ said:


-I have a USB 3.0 1TB WD External HD so I don't think I need a HDD for my pc. Just a SSD (any size is fine)



The only problem with that is unless you get a large SSD ($$$), then you'll have the games installed on the external drive. it will work, but it will be slow loading.
With a 128GB drive, Windows and any other applications...that leaves room for only 1, maybe 2 games.
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September 6, 2013 5:17:17 AM

USAFRet said:
EmilyJ said:


-I have a USB 3.0 1TB WD External HD so I don't think I need a HDD for my pc. Just a SSD (any size is fine)



The only problem with that is unless you get a large SSD ($$$), then you'll have the games installed on the external drive. it will work, but it will be slow loading.
With a 128GB drive, Windows and any other applications...that leaves room for only 1, maybe 2 games.


i got it the same way, 128gb ssd + 500gb usb3, was originally my internal laptop drive and i put it in a external case, i can tell you there is no difference in speed if the drive is internally connected with sata or via usb3, the bottleneck is the hdd itself. So the loading speed wont really vary.
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September 6, 2013 5:18:38 AM

guggi4 said:
USAFRet said:
EmilyJ said:


-I have a USB 3.0 1TB WD External HD so I don't think I need a HDD for my pc. Just a SSD (any size is fine)



The only problem with that is unless you get a large SSD ($$$), then you'll have the games installed on the external drive. it will work, but it will be slow loading.
With a 128GB drive, Windows and any other applications...that leaves room for only 1, maybe 2 games.


i got it the same way, 128gb ssd + 500gb usb3, was originally my internal laptop drive and i put it in a external case, i can tell you there is no difference in speed if the drive is internally connected with sata or via usb3, the bottleneck is the hdd itself. So the loading speed wont really vary.


OK.
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September 6, 2013 6:30:32 AM

FastGunna said:
Jack Revenant said:
FastGunna said:


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Ay9o
Problem is that's a $930 investment before rebates AND taxes. I believe the rebates will make up the cost of the taxes but that's still a $1000 initial investment. Last time I suggested a build, I want over budget because I didn't consider taxes which I assumed parts picker included...

Normally I would be all over suggesting a 7970 but I feel a 7950 would be better given the budget. Especially if an SSD is considered which I would agree with being the biggest improvement you can make. She also said 250 max on GPU so 7970 kinda out of bounds lol.


Actually, you only pay taxes on Newegg items in states where Newegg maintains a warehouse. I believe that the same applies to Microcenter, though I don't know about Outlet PC. Nonetheless, eliminating Newegg from the taxable cost essentially negates tax cost, unless she happens to live in one of the three states in which Newegg maintains a warehouse, in which case a different build could be designed.
Unless the OP specifies otherwise, I always assume that budget is after taxes. Given that she'd only need to flex $30 or so front-end, that's not a big stretch.
There is no reason to restrict oneself on specific parts expenditures so long as 1, it fits within the total budget, and 2, if does not necessitate cuts elsewhere. Efficient usage of budget opened up sufficient funds for a higher-end card, and thus there was absolutely no reason to avoid it.


Well she did say she's from California, and there's a warehouse in Industry CA. I'm gonna need to look into the tax stuff some... I'm confused (3:30 am and thinking about tax doesn't work well haha.)

But making the budget work for an i5 and a 7970 would be best in my opinion. But I think if I had this budget I would take a SSD and 7950 over a 7970.



Ah, right you are. I hadn't noticed that she was located in California. I'll spec out a different build in the morning, perhaps focusing on Amazon, which I believe has the same tax restrictions.

EmilyJ said:
Thanks Guys. I am now 99% convinced to go for the i5 instead of the AMD. Some things I want to clear up.

-I have a USB 3.0 1TB WD External HD so I don't think I need a HDD for my pc. Just a SSD (any size is fine)
-I think I will stick with the NZXT Phantom 410 Case. Looked at 100+ Mid tower cases and the 410 just looks the best :) 
-What is the difference between the i5 4570k vs i5 3570k? They're pretty much the same price. I read up a little on this but still don't get what the big difference is.


I initially share USAFRet's distaste for the premise of external hard drives, but if you want to use it, that's not an issue for me.

The Phantom 410 is an excellent case, and I fully support sticking with it. I use its big brother the 820 myself, and consider it to be one of the better cases out there.

The i5-4570 is the Haswell version of the i5-3470, but what I suspect you were referring to was the i5-4670k, which is the Haswell version of the i5-3570k. It, like all Haswell chips, performs slightly better, but overclocks significantly worse and runs hotter. As a general rule, for non-overclocking builds I recommend Haswell, and for overclocking builds I recommend Ivy Bridge.
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September 6, 2013 10:47:27 AM

Are you opposed to mini atx cases of course this means you cant sli or xfire but you would have a pretty cas3 and size I have a general idea of what you could have once I log onto a computer on my phone currently.
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September 6, 2013 11:17:13 AM

First off let me just say this - the ram can be changed for something cheaper, the case too but I thought you would like something pretty and flashy (they have green black yellow and white i believe). The power supply is small since you will not OC and it only requires about 390ish for this rigg.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1AEkt
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1AEkt/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1AEkt/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H77M-ITX Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($299.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: BitFenix Prodigy (Red) Mini ITX Tower Case ($85.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $899.38
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 14:15 EDT-0400)
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September 6, 2013 2:39:57 PM

Alright, I tweaked the tax settings on my PC Part Picker account, and I believe that this should come to approximately $900, though sales tax can vary by around 1% depending on which area of California she's in. I took the average for my estimations.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3350P 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($88.54 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($102.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($308.77 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $905.43
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-06 17:35 EDT-0400)

Something additional we may want to consider, however, is whether she has Microcenter access. If she could get to the Orange County location, she could get an i5-3570k and an ASRock Extreme4 for around $330 including sales tax. We might thereby be able to fit a decent SSD, a 7970, and an overclockable i5 into a build.
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