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September 6, 2013 3:22:41 AM



Hello there,

I am currently looking for a new motherboard and cpu. I want something that will last me a few years at least, more if possible. So I was thinking of getting the new i7 haswell because it has the new socket type. I currently have an AMD Phenom II with the GTX 670 MSI overclocked one that toms hardware recommended.

Someone told me that my current CPU bottlenecks my GPU and that is the reason why I dont get really high frame rates. I did watch some of the percentages and my CPU never really maxed out and neither did my GPU. I'm still curious if this is the reason and that is why I am interested in getting a new cpu and motherboard so I do not have to worry about this stuff.

What is a good mother board/cpu combo these days? I was leaning more towards i7.

This is what I had in mind:
I7 4770k
ASRock B85M-GL LGA
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO

p.s. I was also wondering if this cooler would work for the new haswell socket type 1150, because that cooler only says it works for 1155.

Thank You for your help,
Skriptah

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September 6, 2013 4:22:53 AM

Which Phenom?
You might get better value by just overclocking the CPU you have.
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September 6, 2013 1:10:59 PM

I have the AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4ghz. I went to the bios and I could overclock, but I have never done it before. I have no idea what to set the multipliers at if I change the core clock, and I know that you need to change the voltages as well to do it. My CPU currently runs around 37 - 40° C and when playing video games it gets up to around 53° C. If i overclocked would my cpu overheat??

- Thanks for the quick reply,
Skriptah
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September 6, 2013 1:41:13 PM

instead of dropping 200-300+ dollars on a new cpu and mobo you could drop less than 100 on a new heatsink for the cpu and overclock it. or if your motherboard supports amd fx cpu's you could get one of those, i'd recommend the 6300 the 8320 and the 8350.

i'm not sure the limits of the phenom II's but if you overclock you'll most likely want/need a new heatsink for it.
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September 6, 2013 2:57:35 PM

If you want to overclock (go on-it's great fun) it is VITAL you do some research first, have a read of the overclocking stickies in the Overclocking Forum here to start. It can be daunting at first but take it steadily and read up before you start.
Yes, you are correct, overclocking increases the CPUs heat output, so a better heatsink will be required, no need for anything huge at this stage, the little Coolermaster 212 Evo will be good enough.
Chairgotoschool also makes a good point: Check the motherboard manufacturers site, you may be able to upgrade the CPU without the additional cost of a new motherboard.
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September 6, 2013 3:20:50 PM

I currently have a coolermaster heatsink. Its made out of copper and is rather big. I assembled this computer along time ago, so I can't remember the model. I curenntly have some money, and I wanted to get a really good cpu and a good mother board to last me some more years and be able to upgrade with the new haswell socket. Do you guys have any intel CPU'S and mobos you would recommend?

Also my motherboard atm is the MSI NF980-G65 and the socket is AM3. Im not sure if I could upgrade to AMD, but i play on doing intense gaming and I make music and I want a fast cpu.
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September 7, 2013 4:03:10 AM

You could put a later AM3 CPU into the existing motherboard but any performance gains would be small. It might be possible to use a even later AM3+ CPU, but I'm not sure the motherboard will support it-the manufacturers site makes no mention of the required BIOS update being available in its CPU support list so I'll be cautious and say that option is out as well.
I'll suggest you try the overclocking option first, it takes a little time but costs nothing and may be the only boost you need.
The CPU/MB you linked should work well together I'll just suggest you swap to an i5 unless your music software can use the Hyperthreading feature of the more expensive i7.
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September 7, 2013 4:28:21 AM

Appreciate all your help coozie7. My CPU currently runs around 37 - 40° C and when playing video games it gets up to around 53° C. Is that too hot, how hot could my cpu get if I overclocked it? I need to find out what coolermaster heatsink i have.
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September 7, 2013 5:05:40 AM

From what I've seen top temperature is 61C.
The cooler probably has a PWM fan (which will have 4 wires on its connector) so it will speed up as the CPU gets hotter but if you do decide to overclock it is very important to use monitoring software like Coretemp or Speedfan to keep an eye on the temperature.
I was not joking about cleaning the heatsink, they can pick up dust and fur very quickly which obviously blocks airflow between the small cooling fins and it's surprising how few users know how to do this (ignore this bit if you keep it clean ;)  .
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September 7, 2013 9:35:57 AM

i did a little searching and couldnt find a straight answer of whether am3+ will work.

like coozie7 said its important to keep your pc clean. example of why, my cpu was idling around 54c and my gpu was around 65c (after less than a year of not cleaning) i cleaned it and then my cpu went to idling at 39c on a good day but usually 41-43c and my gpu went to 58-60c. try cleaning because when hardware gets hot it will start to throttle itself which leads to poor performance too. then if your still not happy try an overclock then if its still to slow spend some money on new parts.
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September 7, 2013 10:10:57 AM

^ Try leaving it for a year with 4 cats in the house ;) .
And yes, I have filters on the case intakes, how the stuff gets inside is a Mystery.
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September 9, 2013 12:40:02 AM

Coozie7 do you know if the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO will work with the new Haswell i74770k socket. The socket is new and the heatsink says it works with only the older socket type. And also what should I look for when getting a new intel mobo. What are the good companies? I'm looking for something that will be able to SLI. Is there any CPU/MOBO combos you would recommend that would last me really long?
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September 9, 2013 3:31:55 AM

Looks like Newegg can't keep up with the changes in their cooler stock, according to this, the Evo will fit a 1150 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'd say: Keep the motherboard you linked: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but unless you are using software that can take advantage of Hperthreading, there is no advantage in using an i7 over an i5, so I think you'll be better off with an i5. Only look for a 'K' series processor if you intend to overclock.
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September 9, 2013 6:14:42 AM

So they have i5's with the new haswell socket type??
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September 11, 2013 2:01:57 AM

I just realized that I currently have 4 sticks of ram and the mother board I mention only has 2 slots for ram. Could you reccomend me a mother board with 4 slots for DDR3. What brands do you recommend for Mother boards, Asrock,MSI? Any specifically?
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September 12, 2013 2:08:41 AM

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September 12, 2013 3:22:30 AM

Don't bump posts!
You'll really need to post in the Components forum for this one because there is so many possibilities and such a wide spread on price.
Few 'boards are terrible these days and there's almost no difference in performance between a cheap one and a top flight entheusiast class board. Where they differ is their features, high end boards support CF/SLI or even quad CF/SLI, they have more, high spec connectivity (SATA 6Gb/s USB3, E-SATA) they allow more drives (HDD SSD and optical) and usually support more, faster memory and, obviously they offer a much wider range of overclocking options.
I don't know what is important for YOU, so cannot make a recommendation other than to make a list of what you want/need and then look for a board within budget that meets those requirements.
If I was buying for ME I'd be looking for something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 12, 2013 5:46:42 AM

Thank you so much for your help coozie7. My bad I did not know I couldn't bump threads. I will post in the other forum.


- Thanks Again
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September 12, 2013 6:38:30 AM

I'd recommend This mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(the 2nd one is a LOT better)
Also better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
In order of features:
z87x-oc
z87m-OC Formula
z87 Pro
Hi-Fi Z87x
They are all sturdy, though. :) 
I'm using the Biostar cuz..I'm cheap :D 
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