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September 8, 2013 2:43:22 AM

Greetings!
So, I'm about to build my own gaming rig and I need some help. First of all, i'm on a "budget"...if I can say so. I'm going to play games on 1080p only,, and I'm specifically looking forward to playing Battlefield 4 (as I pre-ordered it).
I was thinking to get an AMD FX-6300 and a GTX 770, but I'm concerned if going with such a CPU would bottleneck my GPU.
Another option is to go with a PowerColor HD7970 OC (which is cheaper than the 770 in my country), and go with a FX-6350.
I can cut down on the price of the GPU more, but I'd like to get ~60 fps on games like Battlefield 4...
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Petkov :) 

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September 8, 2013 2:49:12 AM

appr0xx said:
Greetings!
So, I'm about to build my own gaming rig and I need some help. First of all, i'm on a "budget"...if I can say so. I'm going to play games on 1080p only,, and I'm specifically looking forward to playing Battlefield 4 (as I pre-ordered it).
I was thinking to get an AMD FX-6300 and a GTX 770, but I'm concerned if going with such a CPU would bottleneck my GPU.
Another option is to go with a PowerColor HD7970 OC (which is cheaper than the 770 in my country), and go with a FX-6350.
I can cut down on the price of the GPU more, but I'd like to get ~60 fps on games like Battlefield 4...
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Petkov :) 


No, that CPU is fine. Significant CPU bottlenecking only really occurs with very slow CPUs and yours is not in that category.
a b À AMD
September 8, 2013 2:50:51 AM

You will however get better performance by going with a FX 8320 instead.
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September 8, 2013 2:51:23 AM

Thanks for the fast and accurate reply :) 
I will assume that this cpu will be just fine...
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September 8, 2013 2:51:40 AM

You would have to overclock the 6300 quite a bit in order for it not to bottleneck
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September 8, 2013 2:59:56 AM

I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.
September 8, 2013 3:07:09 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.


If I get the FX 8320, I'd have to get the GTX 670 JetStream, in the best case... And I'm not sure if I'd be able to run most future (next-gen) games on 1080p smoothly....
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September 8, 2013 3:26:02 AM



A GTX 670 is only a little slower then a GTX 770
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September 8, 2013 3:56:04 AM

appr0xx said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.


If I get the FX 8320, I'd have to get the GTX 670 JetStream, in the best case... And I'm not sure if I'd be able to run most future (next-gen) games on 1080p smoothly....


Well.. if that is the case then go for the FX 6300 + 770 . It would offer better gaming performance than the 8320 + 670 combination. So, get the FX 6300 + 770 and overclock the CPU as much as possible to remove all possible bottlenecks.

This is the best thing to go for in my opinion because it would give you the best possible FPS for your money.
September 8, 2013 4:05:46 AM

Okay.. and will I be able to overclock with the stock Fan that the CPU comes with ??
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September 8, 2013 4:19:38 AM

I don't recommend it.You should get a cheap but good aftermarket cpu cooler such as Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
September 8, 2013 4:26:44 AM

Ok.. And what about the FX 6350 + HD 7970 Vapor-X combo ???
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September 8, 2013 4:32:39 AM

As mentioned you will have to overclock the cpu quite a bit.
September 8, 2013 4:35:33 AM

So, all in all, whichever I pick - 6300 or 6350 - i'll have to overclock them.
Now I'll consider getting a 6300 w/ a CM Hyper 212 cooling with a 7970 Vapor-x,, hopefully it'll serve me better than a GTX 770.
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September 8, 2013 4:39:19 AM

Yes either way you'll need to oc the cpu.

Best solution

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September 8, 2013 4:50:30 AM
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Keep in mind that CM Hyper 212 EVO would not do much high overclocks, and also the 7970 is less powerful than the 770.

My advice would be to go for the FX 6300 + 770 / 7970 Ghz Edition (whatever is cheaper) and then get a good CPU cooler when you have enough money. Something like a Noctua NH-D14 or Phanteks TC14PE or any good water cooler which would really push the CPU to its limits.

Hence go for the 6300 + 7970 Ghz Edition now and get a good CPU Cooler later when you have the money. That way you would have the best performance.

I hope this helps.
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September 8, 2013 5:01:24 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
Keep in mind that CM Hyper 212 EVO would not do much high overclocks, and also the 7970 is less powerful than the 770.

My advice would be to go for the FX 6300 + 770 / 7970 Ghz Edition (whatever is cheaper) and then get a good CPU cooler when you have enough money. Something like a Noctua NH-D14 or Phanteks TC14PE or any good water cooler which would really push the CPU to its limits.

Hence go for the 6300 + 7970 Ghz Edition now and get a good CPU Cooler later when you have the money. That way you would have the best performance.

I hope this helps.
+1 that's a good idea as well.

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September 8, 2013 5:03:25 AM

@bigcyco1 I am glad that you like it. :) 
September 8, 2013 5:42:53 AM

Thank you, that's very helpful :) 
And what if I can't OC ? What build would you recommend that i'd still get 60fps constantly ? For instance, if I get a little better CPU, what Video card will do the job ??
September 8, 2013 7:09:59 AM

Edit: Actually, I calculated that I can go with an Intel i5 3350P, and a cheap mobo (probably no OC), and still end up with a 7970 Vapor-x. Is that the best combo ??
September 8, 2013 7:13:03 AM

on the topic,phenom II x4 940 3ghz with a 7870?(currently on 5770,4gb DDR2 1066mhz RAM)
September 8, 2013 7:17:07 AM

runnaky said:
on the topic,phenom II x4 940 3ghz with a 7870?(currently on 5770,4gb DDR2 1066mhz RAM)


I'm afraid of not being able to max out next-gen games with the 7870.. :\
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September 8, 2013 8:35:56 AM

appr0xx said:
Thank you, that's very helpful :) 
And what if I can't OC ? What build would you recommend that i'd still get 60fps constantly ? For instance, if I get a little better CPU, what Video card will do the job ??


Yes, even if you don't overclock you can expect at least 40+ FPS on any title with 6300 + 7970 Ghz Edition easily.
If the title is about an year old, like Battlefield 3, then you can get 60+ FPS.

Though I cannot guarentee the same with Crysis 3 and Far Cry 2 since they are very demanding games.

When you would overclock and remove the bottleneck then you can see even more boost.

appr0xx said:
Edit: Actually, I calculated that I can go with an Intel i5 3350P, and a cheap mobo (probably no OC), and still end up with a 7970 Vapor-x. Is that the best combo ??


Yes, that is a very good choice if you can overclock the GPU and push it to the 7970 Ghz Edition frequencies.
Go for the i5 3350p + 7970 and overclock the card above 1Ghz and that would really be awesome.
Also can I know what motherboard you are going for?
September 8, 2013 4:08:38 PM

I'm going with a non-expensive solution to put my CPU and GPU on:
Asus P8H61-M LX3 Plus R2.0
a b À AMD
September 9, 2013 2:29:45 AM

I would suggest going with at least a B75 board. They are just few dollars more. I would not suggest to pair i5 with the H61 board.

Also you might need a bios update to make the CPU work with the board and then you would be in trouble. Hence go for the b75 board since it was designed to work with the Ivy Bridge CPUs.
September 9, 2013 3:41:46 AM

Ok then.. So, Imma go with a MSI B75MA-E33, socket 1155 ? That shall be fine, i guess?
September 9, 2013 6:07:29 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.


WHAT ABOUT PAIRING AMD FX 6300 WITH SAPHIRE HD 7870 2GB DDR 5 ????
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September 10, 2013 5:44:12 AM

bhushan2007yadav said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.


WHAT ABOUT PAIRING AMD FX 6300 WITH SAPHIRE HD 7870 2GB DDR 5 ????


No.. The 7870 is way less powerful than the 7970. So there is no comparison between the two. You might have had a good experience with a card but that does not make it the most powerful card. The 7970 is still way more powerful.

September 10, 2013 5:55:48 AM

Sangeet Khatri said:
bhushan2007yadav said:
Sangeet Khatri said:
I would never have paired a 6300 with a 770. Better go for the 7970 with 8320. It would make a very good pair.

Then overclock the 8320 to remove the slight bottleneck that would be left.

Pairing a 6300 with a 770 does not make sense to me. 8320 + 7970 Ghz Edition is the best option in my opinion.


WHAT ABOUT PAIRING AMD FX 6300 WITH SAPHIRE HD 7870 2GB DDR 5 ????


No.. The 7870 is way less powerful than the 7970. So there is no comparison between the two. You might have had a good experience with a card but that does not make it the most powerful card. The 7970 is still way more powerful.



okay

so could you help me on two things : PSU AND GPU

that would be best possible for my config :

CPU -------------------- AMD FX 6300 BLACKEDITION

MOTHERBOARD-----ASUS M5A97 R 2.0

RAM -----------------KINGSTON HYPER BLU @1600 MHZ 8GB

CABINET --------CM 912 HAF SERIES

PSU LOCAL RT NOW @650 WATTS

AND GPU I AM LOOKING ARE ZOTAC NVIDIA 650TI AMP OR SAPPHIRE HD 7870

PLZ DO HELP ....I AM VERY MUCH CONFUSED ..OR SUGGEST ANY OTHER ????????????
a b À AMD
September 10, 2013 6:04:08 AM

Well.. if you need help, then it is better to start a new thread.

I would help you there and hence we won't mix two answers and confuse the rest of the guys.

Hence make a new thread and send me the link of the thread. Also post the budget you have.
September 10, 2013 6:15:56 AM

Hey,
Thank you very much for all your replies and all that stuff!!
However, I have a final question...
Will my 600W PSU be enough for my new rig, which by the way is:
cpu:i5 3350P
gpu:HD7970 Vapor-X GHz ed.
ram:6Gb 1333Kingston
and no more than 2 usb devices, 1 HDD and 1 CD/dvd device.
Thanks once again! :) 
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a b Î Nvidia
September 10, 2013 11:39:32 AM

Radeon HD 7970 - On your average system the card requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit.What power supply do you have make and model?
September 10, 2013 12:00:50 PM

Cooler Master GX600..... it's supposed to be a "gaming" one.. -_-
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a b Î Nvidia
September 10, 2013 12:13:13 PM

Hmm...

Cooler Master GX - Tier 4 - Not Recommend for stressful situations. May not be able to put out full rated power above room temperature, and may slightly fail to meet ATX specs. Source: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
September 10, 2013 12:32:07 PM

A full load of a whole configuration, including Overclocked 7970 Ghz edition, uses 399 watts of power. I think my psu should be sufficient...

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September 10, 2013 12:40:01 PM

If you feel it will be o.k. then that's you're choice bud.I am just letting you know.
September 10, 2013 12:48:50 PM

I just hope for it to be.. I'm not an expert, when it comes to PSUs :\
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September 10, 2013 12:52:59 PM

Lol!No problem i understand.
September 10, 2013 12:56:04 PM

So, in the end, do you think it can handle it while i'm gaming ?

Also, my i5 uses impressively little power:
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September 10, 2013 5:18:15 PM

I think you'll be o.k. but i cannot say for sure as that psu is not known to be very reliable.
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September 11, 2013 8:43:30 AM

I simply don't recommend the PSU's from Cooler Master. I mean they make good cases, CPU Coolers and other stuff (My very old build still has a CM CPU Cooler) , but when it comes to PSU, I would recommend the Corsair CX Series or Seasonic, XFX or OCZ PSU's more than the Cooler Master.

The Corsair CX 600 is available for a good price, so better go for that one instead. OCZ ModXtreme Pro, Fatal1ty are also available for good prices, if you are able to find them.

My final recommendation would be to not go for the Cooler Master PSU since there are much better options available at the budget.
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