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September 8, 2013 5:52:00 PM

I am about to buy this build: 1st Build

My questions are...

1 - I am NOT going to overclock whatsoever, so is AMD still a good choice considering the upgradability and price per performance?

2 - I am going to be using this build to play games like StarCraft 2 and Total War: Rome II on my 40" 1080p Plasma TV; will it play these games and possibly future games at high frame rates?

3 - I have made this build on pcpartpicker.com; is this a safe site to purchase my parts through? And how reliable is it?

4 - Am I missing any details, parts, or anything in my build?

Thank you all for your help and feedback.

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September 8, 2013 6:00:28 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
I am about to buy this build: 1st Build

My questions are...

1 - I am NOT going to overclock whatsoever, so is AMD still a good choice considering the upgradability and price per performance?

2 - I am going to be using this build to play games like StarCraft 2 and Total War: Rome II on my 40" 1080p Plasma TV; will it play these games and possibly future games at high frame rates?

3 - I have made this build on pcpartpicker.com; is this a safe site to purchase my parts through? And how reliable is it?

4 - Am I missing any details, parts, or anything in my build?

Thank you all for your help and feedback.


1. You have enough of a budget to go for an i5 instead of an FX-8320 which will be much better for gaming even if you overclock. If you don't overclock then the answer just gets even easier. Intel for sure.

2. They will play on ultra with 60+ fps

3. pcpartspicker just directs you to reputable sellers. They don't sell any parts themselves.

4. You have everything you need. Just change the CPU
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September 8, 2013 6:00:34 PM

This is actually a nice build for and AMD based system. Look like you picked some fine parts, the prices seem normal as well.

Yes, it will perform above and beyond your expectations, it should run Crysis at max settings minus TXAA/ some anti-aliasing at a cool ~40 fps. As for longevity... Hmm, we can never know what developers will be coming up with next, especially with these new custom hardware consoles coming out like the PS4 and Xbox One. The demand will simply go up exponentially. for a $1k pc, you're deciding on a solid rig.

If you wanted to save a little more money and get a little more bang for your buck.. you can try to hop on Newegg and doing a separate purchase.. try to get the FX - 8350 (4Ghz) CPU bundled with a similar if not same Mobo. Newegg can shave off $20 from purchasing both together, and you could get a better CPU in that manner.

Also, looks like you might have to buy more storage space later.. but meh, I've been living off of one single 180GB laptop HDD + 500GB external HDD for a year now. It's not hard.
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September 8, 2013 6:05:39 PM

So Intel over AMD if you're not going to overclock?
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September 8, 2013 6:06:18 PM

refllect said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I am about to buy this build: 1st Build

My questions are...

1 - I am NOT going to overclock whatsoever, so is AMD still a good choice considering the upgradability and price per performance?

2 - I am going to be using this build to play games like StarCraft 2 and Total War: Rome II on my 40" 1080p Plasma TV; will it play these games and possibly future games at high frame rates?

3 - I have made this build on pcpartpicker.com; is this a safe site to purchase my parts through? And how reliable is it?

4 - Am I missing any details, parts, or anything in my build?

Thank you all for your help and feedback.


1. You have enough of a budget to go for an i5 instead of an FX-8320 which will be much better for gaming even if you overclock. If you don't overclock then the answer just gets even easier. Intel for sure.

2. They will play on ultra with 60+ fps

3. pcpartspicker just directs you to reputable sellers. They don't sell any parts themselves.

4. You have everything you need. Just change the CPU


Well, I normally would agree with you on this one, but seeing as he's trying to play SCII and Rome total war, he doesn't really need the i5 and a new mobo to match, it will only ring him up an additional $200...

From what it seems, he's not playing physics intensive games. So really, his GPU is going to do most of the gruntwork, and what should matter here is Texture, Shading, and Memory bandwidth. His build is good, and for the sake of saving money, this build would run well. Is it an i5? no, but absolute tip top premium performance isn't really in question here, is it?
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September 8, 2013 6:15:11 PM

Thank you cjkupers. What kind of games would my system struggle with?
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September 8, 2013 6:26:41 PM

Your system might feel some drag in shader-heavy areas with games like Metro: Last Light or high particle areas in Crysis 3. The lowest FPS you might feel is down to 19fps. But that's still pretty smooth to the human eye, given that we view conventional motion picture films at 24fps.

If I was to make a personal judgement call on longevity until you would need some parts upgraded.. I'd say maybe 5 years tops until you experience any sort of warranted dissatisfaction with its performance. But that's a good 5 years. You'll be able to play games @ medium-high settings for god knows how long, so its really up to you. You should be able to enjoy the power of this build for a long while.

Performance isn't really too much of an issue once you get into this tier of computer performance, namely the "High End" gaming tier.

The real issues PC enthusiasts may pick at is your power consumption, heat dissipation, part reliability, bandwidth between CPU, RAM, GPU, and FSB, RAM timings, RAM clock speeds, etc.

Most of us "mortals" need not worry about such things. The build you drafted is a fine example of the fx 8350 drafted in a somewhat balanced manner. Have fun with it!
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September 8, 2013 6:33:58 PM

If you're going with AMD to save money, then get a FX-6300. The way I see it, either get a FX-6300 or go for an i5 and skip the FX-8320 entirely. You're not going to be using the 2 extra cores that the FX-8320 offers anyways.
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September 8, 2013 6:37:37 PM

Go with this, saves you money and is faster :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gear Head KB5150W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($17.79 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1051.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-08 21:37 EDT-0400)
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September 8, 2013 6:38:31 PM

I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?
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September 8, 2013 6:40:06 PM

refllect said:
If you're going with AMD to save money, then get a FX-6300. The way I see it, either get a FX-6300 or go for an i5 and skip the FX-8320 entirely. You're not going to be using the 2 extra cores that the FX-8320 offers anyways.


Well, guess he could do this, but why risk saving $100 and lose two cores and possibly throttle his GPU performance?

But if you're a penny pincher, there's always another thing you can do, right? :) 
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September 8, 2013 6:40:27 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.
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September 8, 2013 6:41:53 PM

RazerZ said:
Go with this, saves you money and is faster :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gear Head KB5150W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($17.79 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1051.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-08 21:37 EDT-0400)


RazerZ, the only things that I'm looking at possibly changing is the CPU, Video Card, and MOBO if it's Intel. Therefore, the only change you suggested is 8350 over my 8320. I don't see a reason to pay more for a slight boost, if any, if I don't want to overclock.
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September 8, 2013 6:42:34 PM

RazerZ said:
Go with this, saves you money and is faster :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gear Head KB5150W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($17.79 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1051.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-08 21:37 EDT-0400)


woohoo, someone did it for me! yes, do this! do this! fx 8350 all the waaaaaay
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September 8, 2013 6:42:50 PM

cjkupers said:
refllect said:
If you're going with AMD to save money, then get a FX-6300. The way I see it, either get a FX-6300 or go for an i5 and skip the FX-8320 entirely. You're not going to be using the 2 extra cores that the FX-8320 offers anyways.


Well, guess he could do this, but why risk saving $100 and lose two cores and possibly throttle his GPU performance?

But if you're a penny pincher, there's always another thing you can do, right? :) 


So, losing the two cores could throttle my GPU?
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September 8, 2013 6:43:43 PM

RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


Mmm, if you did not overclock both the i5 and the fx 8350, maybe. If you're talking about long term..

overclock the i5.. you'll be in a better state.
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September 8, 2013 6:44:29 PM

cjkupers said:
RazerZ said:
Go with this, saves you money and is faster :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gear Head KB5150W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($17.79 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1051.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-08 21:37 EDT-0400)


woohoo, someone did it for me! yes, do this! do this! fx 8350 all the waaaaaay


Seriously though, I'm not going to be overclocking, so is it really a good choice to upgrade it to 8350?
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September 8, 2013 6:45:14 PM

RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Very few utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.
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September 8, 2013 6:47:22 PM

refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Some utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


Thank you refllect. That was a good explanation. So, I shall change the cpu to 4 cores then.
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September 8, 2013 6:49:05 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Some utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


Thank you refllect. That was a good explanation. So, I shall change the cpu to 4 cores then.


You're welcome! The FX-6300 is actually a 6 core processor. It only costs $5-10 more than a FX-4300 4 core processor so I think it's worth it to get the 6 cores.
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September 8, 2013 6:49:06 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
RazerZ said:
Go with this, saves you money and is faster :) 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($212.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($283.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Zalman Z5 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX750B BRONZE 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($18.48 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Full (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Gear Head KB5150W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($17.79 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1051.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-08 21:37 EDT-0400)


RazerZ, the only things that I'm looking at possibly changing is the CPU, Video Card, and MOBO if it's Intel. Therefore, the only change you suggested is 8350 over my 8320. I don't see a reason to pay more for a slight boost, if any, if I don't want to overclock.


Look a bit closer and you'll see there's a lot of stuff that changed ;) . I managed to get the total lower than yours, so why not? Also as future games come out the 8350 will come in handy :) 

Also games are starting to move towards multi threads like crysis 3.. But if you play mostly mmorpgs I'd say go for the Fx 6300
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September 8, 2013 6:54:09 PM

Okay I changed the CPU to 6300. Thank you RazerZ but I really like my case and motherboard, and the mouse and keyboard have to be wireless.
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September 8, 2013 6:55:22 PM

refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Very few utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


It does make sense actually, because you can't just assume he's only going to be playing a game when he's playing games.
If he decides to alt-tab and multitask and do something else while he's playing, maybe if he decides to record his gameplay with fraps, stream his gameplay on Twitch, etc. Then his PC will start to take a performance hit when he starts to do those things. His GPU will be waiting for the main threads on his CPU to clear up, which can lead to performance issues.

Why waste a marginal amount of cash on two whole physical cores? Cmon, why wouldn't you?

Even though I am in favor of adopting an i5 base for any gaming build over the FX 6k/8k series, because he does not want to overclock and wishes to keep a relatively low budget and get the bang for his buck, the 8350 would be the ideal way to go.
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September 8, 2013 6:58:22 PM

As Razer stated, if you're only going to be playing mmo's or RTS games like SCII and Rome II.. You can get away with a 6 core CPU like the FX 6300. You won't feel the difference.

If later on you choose to try playing games with more physics, input operations, etc. Like Crysis 3 of BF4.. You might get some chokey chokey going on.

Simply looking ahead in the future, it would not hurt to go for the 8 core CPU over the 6 core CPU. Its money well spent, figuring there are other places to cut back on speditures like SSD selection or peripherals.
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September 8, 2013 6:58:35 PM

cjkupers said:
refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Very few utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


It does make sense actually, because you can't just assume he's only going to be playing a game when he's playing games.
If he decides to alt-tab and multitask and do something else while he's playing, maybe if he decides to record his gameplay with fraps, stream his gameplay on Twitch, etc. Then his PC will start to take a performance hit when he starts to do those things. His GPU will be waiting for the main threads on his CPU to clear up, which can lead to performance issues.

Why waste a marginal amount of cash on two whole physical cores? Cmon, why wouldn't you?

Even though I am in favor of adopting an i5 base for any gaming build over the FX 6k/8k series, because he does not want to overclock and wishes to keep a relatively low budget and get the bang for his buck, the 8350 would be the ideal way to go.


Yeah if you're gonna record with fraps or stream, I'd say go with the FX-8320.
I don't really consider it losing 2 whole cores since they share l2 cache.

Also, if you would consider overclocking your GPU, you can buy a Radeon 7950 for $80 less and just overclock it to a 7970. A lot of 7950s are sold with a 7970 PCB. That saves you enough to go for an i5 build
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September 8, 2013 7:03:13 PM

refllect said:
cjkupers said:
refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Very few utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


It does make sense actually, because you can't just assume he's only going to be playing a game when he's playing games.
If he decides to alt-tab and multitask and do something else while he's playing, maybe if he decides to record his gameplay with fraps, stream his gameplay on Twitch, etc. Then his PC will start to take a performance hit when he starts to do those things. His GPU will be waiting for the main threads on his CPU to clear up, which can lead to performance issues.

Why waste a marginal amount of cash on two whole physical cores? Cmon, why wouldn't you?

Even though I am in favor of adopting an i5 base for any gaming build over the FX 6k/8k series, because he does not want to overclock and wishes to keep a relatively low budget and get the bang for his buck, the 8350 would be the ideal way to go.


Yeah if you're gonna record with fraps or stream, I'd say go with the FX-8320.
I don't really consider it losing 2 whole cores since they share l2 cache.

Also, if you would consider overclocking your GPU, you can buy a Radeon 7950 for $80 less and just overclock it to a 7970. A lot of 7950s are sold with a 7970 PCB. That saves you enough to go for an i5 build


Overclock a GPU? I am choosing not to overclock because I don't want to ruin my system. I don't want to risk that.

And no I'm not going to be doing any multitasking if I'm playing a game.
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September 8, 2013 7:05:37 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
refllect said:
cjkupers said:
refllect said:
RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I figured the extra cores would be better for gaming... no? So, I would only use 4, tops?


The build I posted is better for gaming now and in the future compared to a pricier i5.


This is simply not true. Most games these days utilize 2 threads. Very few utilize 4 or even more. However of those that utilize many threads, most of the work is put onto 2 main processing threads. Thus the extra cores will make a marginal difference in your gaming performance even for the few multithreaded games. I doubt there would be any difference really.

Looking into the relevant future for your processor (2-3 years), games will continue to run off 2 threads and possible expand to 4. There is no need for a 8 core processor. This is especially true since games rely more on single core performance rather than number of cores.

This is why I say either get a $115 FX-6300 or a $190 i5. Getting a $160 FX-8320 makes no sense at all.


It does make sense actually, because you can't just assume he's only going to be playing a game when he's playing games.
If he decides to alt-tab and multitask and do something else while he's playing, maybe if he decides to record his gameplay with fraps, stream his gameplay on Twitch, etc. Then his PC will start to take a performance hit when he starts to do those things. His GPU will be waiting for the main threads on his CPU to clear up, which can lead to performance issues.

Why waste a marginal amount of cash on two whole physical cores? Cmon, why wouldn't you?

Even though I am in favor of adopting an i5 base for any gaming build over the FX 6k/8k series, because he does not want to overclock and wishes to keep a relatively low budget and get the bang for his buck, the 8350 would be the ideal way to go.


Yeah if you're gonna record with fraps or stream, I'd say go with the FX-8320.
I don't really consider it losing 2 whole cores since they share l2 cache.

Also, if you would consider overclocking your GPU, you can buy a Radeon 7950 for $80 less and just overclock it to a 7970. A lot of 7950s are sold with a 7970 PCB. That saves you enough to go for an i5 build


Overclock a GPU? I am choosing not to overclock because I don't want to ruin my system. I don't want to risk that.

And no I'm not going to be doing any multitasking if I'm playing a game.


If you're not gonna multitask, then a FX-6300 is fine.

There is no risk to overclocking. Even if you overclock it doesn't void your warranty and all you have to do is watch the voltage and temperature. But if you don't want to, a 7970 is great anyways.
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September 8, 2013 7:07:53 PM

Thank you everyone for all the input. I have another question: would my motherboard support my pre-installed fans in my case?
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September 8, 2013 7:09:37 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
Thank you everyone for all the input. I have another question: would my motherboard support my pre-installed fans in my case?


Most motherboards have a case fan power connector. If you need more, you can always buy a converter from molex power on the PSU.
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September 8, 2013 7:11:22 PM

So would I have to plug the fans into the PSU? And does that mean that the fans will be on all the time unless I unplug the tower?
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September 8, 2013 7:13:24 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
So would I have to plug the fans into the PSU? And does that mean that the fans will be on all the time unless I unplug the tower?


You can also buy a fan speed control unit
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September 8, 2013 7:14:19 PM

How much is that? What's a good one?
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September 8, 2013 7:19:18 PM

If you want to control the speeds of your case fans, you can get a control unit like refllect stated. Normally you wouldn't need to because you always want positive airflow through your case, so if you need to use Molex connectors off your PSU or connect them to a case fan pin on your mobo, you can usually just let them run.

Or you could be special and buy a mineral oil tank and submerge all your parts in mineral oil...
Just kidding. That wasn't a serious contribution to this thread.
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September 8, 2013 7:20:10 PM

Fan controllers are the quickest way to earn cool points with your friends.
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September 8, 2013 7:31:56 PM

I don't care about controlling the fan speeds, I just want good airflow and I don't care about impressing my friends. My main question to this is: will I have to unplug my entire tower (or flip the switch) in order to turn off the fans if I chose to plug them into the PSU?
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September 8, 2013 7:33:35 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
I don't care about controlling the fan speeds, I just want good airflow and I don't care about impressing my friends. My main question to this is: will I have to unplug my entire tower (or flip the switch) in order to turn off the fans if I chose to plug them into the PSU?


Lol no, just use a fan control program and you'll be fine :) 
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September 8, 2013 7:54:55 PM

There are so many doo hickie fan control plugin spots on mobos these days. You'll surely be able to find the right colorful pin to attach the suckers to and make them obey your every demand.

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September 8, 2013 8:43:20 PM

cjkupers said:
There are so many doo hickie fan control plugin spots on mobos these days. You'll surely be able to find the right colorful pin to attach the suckers to and make them obey your every demand.



But will there be enough spots on my MOBO for my fans on my case?
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September 8, 2013 8:43:43 PM

RazerZ said:
Boomer Jetson said:
I don't care about controlling the fan speeds, I just want good airflow and I don't care about impressing my friends. My main question to this is: will I have to unplug my entire tower (or flip the switch) in order to turn off the fans if I chose to plug them into the PSU?


Lol no, just use a fan control program and you'll be fine :) 


Do I actually need one is the question?
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September 8, 2013 8:44:35 PM

What I'm saying is... will all my fans be able to plug into my MOBO or will I have to plug them into my PSU?
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September 8, 2013 8:52:02 PM

Boomer Jetson said:
What I'm saying is... will all my fans be able to plug into my MOBO or will I have to plug them into my PSU?


I looked up the manual of your specific motherboard from the manufacturer website for you.

ftp://66.226.78.21/manual/990FX%20Extreme4.pdf

The board has 2 CPU fan connectors and 1 Case fan connector. You can use one of the CPU fan connectors for a Case fan as well. So you can power 2 fans. Above that you'll need to connect to your PSU
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September 8, 2013 9:16:02 PM

refllect said:
Boomer Jetson said:
What I'm saying is... will all my fans be able to plug into my MOBO or will I have to plug them into my PSU?


I looked up the manual of your specific motherboard from the manufacturer website for you.

ftp://66.226.78.21/manual/990FX%20Extreme4.pdf

The board has 2 CPU fan connectors and 1 Case fan connector. You can use one of the CPU fan connectors for a Case fan as well. So you can power 2 fans. Above that you'll need to connect to your PSU


Thank you so much! Do you know how many fans my PSU will be able to power?
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September 8, 2013 10:01:11 PM

Anyone? Will my PSU be able to power all of the fans in my case?
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September 8, 2013 10:51:59 PM

they should. never heard of someone runing out of molex pigtails.
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September 8, 2013 10:52:05 PM

they should. never heard of someone running out of molex pigtails.
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