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September 10, 2013 9:58:45 AM

Hello. I know theres only 15-20 days till AMD 9000 series comes out, but I don't got that fore that. So I decided to just buy my computer now. Anyway, please tell me if theres something I should change.

Corsair 650D
CHIEFTEC A135 Series APS-850CB 850W PSU
ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4M MATX, Z87
i5 4670k/i7 4770k
COOLERMASTER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
2x KFA2 GTX780 3GB
KINGSTON HyperX 3K 120GB SSD
SEAGATE Barracuda® 1TB SATA
MICROSOFT Win 8 Pro
NZXT Sleeved LED Kit Cable 2M Green
ASUS ASUS DRW-24B5ST, DVD±RW Writer
KINGSTON DDR3 HyperX 1600 MHz 16GB Black

Anyway, my next question is this: Is 1x NZXT Sleeved LED Kit Cable 2M Green enough or will it look alot more awesome with 2?

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a c 466 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 10:10:20 AM

PSU is trash. Replace with a unit from Antec, XFX, COrsair ,Seasonic.

Get 8gb RAM and an i5 4670k if you aren't doing any video editing/rendering because the gaming performance will be the same.

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September 10, 2013 10:13:06 AM

tiny voices said:
PSU is trash. Replace with a unit from Antec, XFX, COrsair ,Seasonic.

Get 8gb RAM and an i5 4670k if you aren't doing any video editing/rendering because the gaming performance will be the same.



Yeah, I was thinking also that the PSU was trash. I'am gonna edit, so I stick with 16gb ram. CORSAIR TX 850 850W 80 Plus Bronze is probably good :) 
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a c 466 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 10:15:15 AM

Why16gb RAM? It will do nothing but sit there and waste energy. Your system will not touch more than 6gb AT MOST in ANY gaming scenario.
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a c 466 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 10:15:54 AM

Axzevos said:
tiny voices said:
PSU is trash. Replace with a unit from Antec, XFX, COrsair ,Seasonic.

Get 8gb RAM and an i5 4670k if you aren't doing any video editing/rendering because the gaming performance will be the same.



Yeah, I was thinking also that the PSU was trash. I'am gonna edit, so I stick with 16gb ram. CORSAIR TX 850 850W 80 Plus Bronze is probably good :) 


YEs that PSU is good but I would go with a silver or gold rated unit if you are SLIing 780s.
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September 10, 2013 10:20:16 AM

This is an ultimate gaming build, running two 780s in SLI. I would absolutely recommend a Seasonic or XFX PSU. That Corsair TX isn't all that great either. In fact, from what I've read it's pretty similar to the Chieftec. I'm in the USA so I am not familiar with the brand, so I just had to do a little bit of reading about it. Those who will say it's crap might just be saying that because their gut reaction is to eschew anything that's not Corsair/XFX/Antec. You have to look at manufacturers, not brands.

That being said, for a build of this caliber, I still recommend you go with a better brand. Seasonic and XFX (because Seasonic MAKES all of XFX's PSUs) are among the most reputable.

Do you have a budget in mind? I'd even recommend going with a higher wattage. PSUs work most efficiently when at 50% load -- not to mention I assume you'd be overclocking a little, so for efficiency and longevity you might consider a 1000W PSU. Where do you live?
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September 10, 2013 10:33:27 AM

tiny voices said:
Axzevos said:
tiny voices said:
PSU is trash. Replace with a unit from Antec, XFX, COrsair ,Seasonic.

Get 8gb RAM and an i5 4670k if you aren't doing any video editing/rendering because the gaming performance will be the same.



Yeah, I was thinking also that the PSU was trash. I'am gonna edit, so I stick with 16gb ram. CORSAIR TX 850 850W 80 Plus Bronze is probably good :) 


YEs that PSU is good but I would go with a silver or gold rated unit if you are SLIing 780s.


StephenP85 said:
This is an ultimate gaming build, running two 780s in SLI. I would absolutely recommend a Seasonic or XFX PSU. That Corsair TX isn't all that great either. In fact, from what I've read it's pretty similar to the Chieftec. I'm in the USA so I am not familiar with the brand, so I just had to do a little bit of reading about it. Those who will say it's crap might just be saying that because their gut reaction is to eschew anything that's not Corsair/XFX/Antec. You have to look at manufacturers, not brands.

That being said, for a build of this caliber, I still recommend you go with a better brand. Seasonic and XFX (because Seasonic MAKES all of XFX's PSUs) are among the most reputable.

Do you have a budget in mind? I'd even recommend going with a higher wattage. PSUs work most efficiently when at 50% load -- not to mention I assume you'd be overclocking a little, so for efficiency and longevity you might consider a 1000W PSU. Where do you live?


Wow, really? I tought 850w was enough. Anyway, I can't choose between all PSU's, since I live in Norway. I will send you a link, and give me best psu for my budget. My budget is on 1299 MAX http://www.supersmart.no/CBC.aspx?q=c:36217;pfd:p vk-e3041r194r195
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September 10, 2013 10:59:10 AM

Are any of these sites acceptable places to buy parts?

Norway
Komplett
Dustin Home
Advance.no
Cdon.no
MPX.no
Tofte Elektriske

They were listed in a post from a year ago that provided links for PC part sites in other countries.
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September 10, 2013 11:03:35 AM

StephenP85 said:
Are any of these sites acceptable places to buy parts?

Norway
Komplett
Dustin Home
Advance.no
Cdon.no
MPX.no
Tofte Elektriske

They were listed in a post from a year ago that provided links for PC part sites in other countries.


I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE
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a c 466 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 11:07:49 AM

Thermaltake makes terrible PSUs. Stay away from them.
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a c 466 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 11:13:00 AM

They use a very poor quality OEM .You cannot go by user reviews at all. You NEED to look at hardware review sites. Thermaltake DO NOT make very good PSUs.
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September 10, 2013 11:16:30 AM

tiny voices said:
They use a very poor quality OEM .You cannot go by user reviews at all. You NEED to look at hardware review sites. Thermaltake DO NOT make very good PSUs.


Ah, okay. But can you help me to pick the best PSU for max 1200 NOK? Thats 200 dollars...
http://www.supersmart.no/CBC.aspx?q=c:36217;pfd:p vk-e3041r194r195
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September 10, 2013 11:21:19 AM

Axzevos said:
StephenP85 said:
Are any of these sites acceptable places to buy parts?

Norway
Komplett
Dustin Home
Advance.no
Cdon.no
MPX.no
Tofte Elektriske

They were listed in a post from a year ago that provided links for PC part sites in other countries.


I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE


Thermaltake has a mix of good and bad PSUs. They get their units from different manufacturers. The one you mentioned, not a good one.

Here are some decent ones from the limited selection at that site:

I have them in order roughly best to worst. The first one is a great top tier power supply and it fits your budget. It looks to be in stock, so I would highly recommend it above all the others.

http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5840333;c:36217 (PC Power and Cooling for 1199. Seriously, just get that one)
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5532084;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5083402;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6111621;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:3941629;c:36217




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a c 295 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 11:25:18 AM

Axzevos said:

I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE


No get something from Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, EVGA, etc. Thermaltake does not use reliable OEMs. You want something made from Seasonic or Super Flower, especially on a rig of this caliber. You could also get a better SSD than that Kingston drive - the Samsung 840 Pro and OCZ Vector are the best of the best right now in terms of read - write times.
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September 10, 2013 11:27:26 AM

StephenP85 said:
Axzevos said:
StephenP85 said:
Are any of these sites acceptable places to buy parts?

Norway
Komplett
Dustin Home
Advance.no
Cdon.no
MPX.no
Tofte Elektriske

They were listed in a post from a year ago that provided links for PC part sites in other countries.


I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE


Thermaltake has a mix of good and bad PSUs. They get their units from different manufacturers. The one you mentioned, not a good one.

Here are some decent ones from the limited selection at that site:

I have them in order roughly best to worst. The first one is a great top tier power supply and it fits your budget. It looks to be in stock, so I would highly recommend it above all the others.

http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5840333;c:36217 (PC Power and Cooling for 1199. Seriously, just get that one)
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5532084;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5083402;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6111621;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:3941629;c:36217






g-unit1111 said:
Axzevos said:

I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE


No get something from Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, EVGA, etc. Thermaltake does not use reliable OEMs. You want something made from Seasonic or Super Flower, especially on a rig of this caliber. You could also get a better SSD than that Kingston drive - the Samsung 840 Pro and OCZ Vector are the best of the best right now in terms of read - write times.


As I said, I'am on a budget. Samsung 840 pro and Kingston HyperX got almost same performance. Thats why I choose Kingston hyperx since it's cheaper :) 
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September 10, 2013 11:29:53 AM

StephenP85 said:
Axzevos said:
StephenP85 said:
Are any of these sites acceptable places to buy parts?

Norway
Komplett
Dustin Home
Advance.no
Cdon.no
MPX.no
Tofte Elektriske

They were listed in a post from a year ago that provided links for PC part sites in other countries.


I know of these sites also. But I'am not gonna build the computer my self, they are gonna build it for 100 dollars for me. So I have to buy everything at the same site. How is this one? THERMALTAKE M850W 80PLUS BRONZE


Thermaltake has a mix of good and bad PSUs. They get their units from different manufacturers. The one you mentioned, not a good one.

Here are some decent ones from the limited selection at that site:

I have them in order roughly best to worst. The first one is a great top tier power supply and it fits your budget. It looks to be in stock, so I would highly recommend it above all the others.

http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5840333;c:36217 (PC Power and Cooling for 1199. Seriously, just get that one)
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5532084;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:5083402;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6111621;c:36217
http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:3941629;c:36217


Wow, I never spotted all these PSU's. I will go for OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD :) . Anyway, why is a good PSU so important?


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September 10, 2013 11:41:08 AM

There are tons of different brands and manufacturers out there, each one with varying qualities of the components they use for these PSUs. If you've ever heard the phrase, "You get what you pay for," that applies very heavily to choosing a power supply, which is why so many of us devote a lot of time to testing and researching different models and determining which manufacturers (not to be confused with brands) make reliable units.

A PSU with poor quality components, paired with a gaming PC that will pull much more power much more often vs. a regular office PC, is a recipe for disaster. At best, a bad PSU won't last long at all or won't even be able to provide enough stable power when you put any sort of load on it. At worst, it will overheat, smoke, and/or kill one or more of your valueable components. I've witnessed it happen. Over a decade ago, I made that all-too-common newbie mistake of simply finding the cheapest PSU with the wattage I needed. I didn't save any money since it killed my $200 video card after about 2 months.
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a c 295 4 Gaming
September 10, 2013 11:47:36 AM

Axzevos said:

Wow, I never spotted all these PSU's. I will go for OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD :) . Anyway, why is a good PSU so important?


The power supply is the most critical component of your system as without it, your PSU just plain wouldn't function. And getting a good one is important to the lifespan of your system as getting a cheap or junk one can have the tendency to come with an extremely poor main board that can't meet the PSU's advertised voltage, and poorly made capacitors can cause an explosion within your power supply, or cause your PSU to short out and when that happens, it can take your GPU and motherboard with it, and cause all kinds of other problems.

I had a rig that was great but it was paired with a sub par Ultra 850W power supply (that was supposedly top rated). When I tried to use my PC on anything that wasn't idle, the PSU would get so overloaded that it would crash left and right. Eventually I swapped it with a Corsair TX750 and it worked fine ever since.
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September 10, 2013 11:48:04 AM

StephenP85 said:
There are tons of different brands and manufacturers out there, each one with varying qualities of the components they use for these PSUs. If you've ever heard the phrase, "You get what you pay for," that applies very heavily to choosing a power supply, which is why so many of us devote a lot of time to testing and researching different models and determining which manufacturers (not to be confused with brands) make reliable units.

A PSU with poor quality components, paired with a gaming PC that will pull much more power much more often vs. a regular office PC, is a recipe for disaster. At best, a bad PSU won't last long at all or won't even be able to provide enough stable power when you put any sort of load on it. At worst, it will overheat, smoke, and/or kill one or more of your valueable components. I've witnessed it happen. Over a decade ago, I made that all-too-common newbie mistake of simply finding the cheapest PSU with the wattage I needed. I didn't save any money since it killed my $200 video card after about 2 months.


Wow, this really helped me. I'am gonna choose this one OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD :) .
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September 10, 2013 11:51:39 AM

Axzevos said:


Wow, this really helped me. I'am gonna choose this one OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD :) .


Glad I could help.
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September 10, 2013 12:07:27 PM

StephenP85 said:
Axzevos said:


Wow, this really helped me. I'am gonna choose this one OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD :) .


Glad I could help.


Okay, I put my budget abit higher. So I've been changing abit? Does it still look fine?

CORSAIR Obsidian 650D
ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4M MATX, Z87, 4xDDR3, LGA1150 (Z87 EXTREME4M)
COOLERMASTER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
2x KFA2 GTX780 3GB
SEAGATE Barracuda® 1TB SATA
MICROSOFT Win 8 Pro
NZXT Sleeved LED Kit Cable 2M Green
ASUS ASUS DRW-24B5ST, DVD±RW Writer
KINGSTON DDR3 HyperX 1600 MHz 16GB Black
OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD
INTEL Intel® Core i7-4770K
KINGSTON HyperX 3K 240GB SSD

Anyway, another guy told me that it would be a better choice to pick this? http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6394523
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September 10, 2013 1:31:55 PM

Axzevos said:


Okay, I put my budget abit higher. So I've been changing abit? Does it still look fine?

CORSAIR Obsidian 650D
ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4M MATX, Z87, 4xDDR3, LGA1150 (Z87 EXTREME4M)
COOLERMASTER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
2x KFA2 GTX780 3GB
SEAGATE Barracuda® 1TB SATA
MICROSOFT Win 8 Pro
NZXT Sleeved LED Kit Cable 2M Green
ASUS ASUS DRW-24B5ST, DVD±RW Writer
KINGSTON DDR3 HyperX 1600 MHz 16GB Black
OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD
INTEL Intel® Core i7-4770K
KINGSTON HyperX 3K 240GB SSD

Anyway, another guy told me that it would be a better choice to pick this? http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6394523


Both the PC Power and Cooling unit I linked and that Cooler Master you linked are manufactured by Seasonic. The reason I didn't even bother looking at Cooler Master is because they are another one of those companies that use multiple manufacturers that vary in quality, but that one in particular seems great. In theory, both PSUs will be great, and they are the same price.

As for the rest of the build, since you say you are on a budget, you may want to consider the i5-4670k instead. You would get virtually identical game performance with it, and you'd save about 875 NOK. Then, I would use some of that money to buy an ATX board instead of that microATX. The ATX extreme4 is another 150 NOK.

You can also use some of that money toward a Samsung 840 Pro or EVO instead of the Kingston. You'll still have a little bit of money left over. I trust Samsung and Crucial drives above all others, simply based on experience. Other people might have different opinions, but those two SSD brands are in general highly revered.

What kind of monitor do you plan to use? Those GTX 780s are powerful, but expensive. If you are simply gaming in 1080p, they are overkill -- not that they will be overkill forever, but for now you might be better off getting one 780, and later when you think you need the extra power, you can buy another one (and the prices should be lower by that point). It would also take some load off the PSU.

If you still want 2 780s, you can use a little more of the money you saved by going with the 4670k to get a 1000W PSU as I'd recommended previously. This Coolermaster is just like the one you linked, made by seasonic: http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6394522;c:36217

And you'd STILL have money leftover from going with the 4670k instead of the 4770k.
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September 10, 2013 1:39:13 PM

StephenP85 said:
Axzevos said:


Okay, I put my budget abit higher. So I've been changing abit? Does it still look fine?

CORSAIR Obsidian 650D
ASROCK Z87 Extreme 4M MATX, Z87, 4xDDR3, LGA1150 (Z87 EXTREME4M)
COOLERMASTER Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
2x KFA2 GTX780 3GB
SEAGATE Barracuda® 1TB SATA
MICROSOFT Win 8 Pro
NZXT Sleeved LED Kit Cable 2M Green
ASUS ASUS DRW-24B5ST, DVD±RW Writer
KINGSTON DDR3 HyperX 1600 MHz 16GB Black
OCZ PC POWER AND COOLING SILENCER MKIII 850W 80PLUS GOLD
INTEL Intel® Core i7-4770K
KINGSTON HyperX 3K 240GB SSD

Anyway, another guy told me that it would be a better choice to pick this? http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6394523


Both the PC Power and Cooling unit I linked and that Cooler Master you linked are manufactured by Seasonic. The reason I didn't even bother looking at Cooler Master is because they are another one of those companies that use multiple manufacturers that vary in quality, but that one in particular seems great. In theory, both PSUs will be great, and they are the same price.

As for the rest of the build, since you say you are on a budget, you may want to consider the i5-4670k instead. You would get virtually identical game performance with it, and you'd save about 875 NOK. Then, I would use some of that money to buy an ATX board instead of that microATX. The ATX extreme4 is another 150 NOK.

You can also use some of that money toward a Samsung 840 Pro or EVO instead of the Kingston. You'll still have a little bit of money left over. I trust Samsung and Crucial drives above all others, simply based on experience. Other people might have different opinions, but those two SSD brands are in general highly revered.

What kind of monitor do you plan to use? Those GTX 780s are powerful, but expensive. If you are simply gaming in 1080p, they are overkill (not that they will be overkill forever, but for now you might be better off getting one 780, and later when you think you need the extra power, you can buy another one (and the prices should be lower by that point). It would also take some load off the PSU.

If you still want 2 780s, you can use a little more of the money you saved by going with the 4670k to get a 1000W PSU as I'd recommended previously. This Coolermaster is just like the one you linked, made by seasonic: http://www.supersmart.no/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:6394522;c:36217

And you'd STILL have money leftover from going with the 4670k instead of the 4770k.


Well, I will be editing and prob livestreaming. So I'd go for i7 4770k.
But why is it so important with a good motherboard? It don't improve performance, isn't it only a better bios?
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September 10, 2013 1:56:10 PM

Axzevos said:

But why is it so important with a good motherboard? It don't improve performance, isn't it only a better bios?


For one, the microATX motherboard is smaller, and you are trying to fit 2 double-slot VERY powerful and VERY hot cards alongside a VERY hot processor, with a large CPU cooler. All of those things, as well as the actual components of the motherboard (chips, VRMs, capacitors, etc) will be closer together with more concentrated heat. You might also have a problem with various cables/connectors being blocked or hindered by the second card. Each card is going to take up 2 expansion slots.

The full ATX motherboard will have a better power phase design (more power phases), which will allow for cooler VRMs, better overclocks (if you decide to overclock) and general stability. It's just not common or advisable to use a microATX board to power such high-end hardware. If the CPU is the "brain", consider the motherboard as the spine.
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September 10, 2013 3:20:57 PM

Axzevos said:
Both the PC Power and Cooling unit I linked and that Cooler Master you linked are manufactured by Seasonic. The reason I didn't even bother looking at Cooler Master is because they are another one of those companies that use multiple manufacturers that vary in quality, but that one in particular seems great. In theory, both PSUs will be great, and they are the same price.


Actually the PCPAC units are made by Super Flower, not Seasonic: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/psu-manufacturer-oem,revi...

But that is a good thing as Super Flower makes some of the best units money can buy.

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As for the rest of the build, since you say you are on a budget, you may want to consider the i5-4670k instead. You would get virtually identical game performance with it, and you'd save about 875 NOK. Then, I would use some of that money to buy an ATX board instead of that microATX. The ATX extreme4 is another 150 NOK.


You'll get no argument from me, I would definitely go with the 4670K over the i7 - you don't really need it.

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You can also use some of that money toward a Samsung 840 Pro or EVO instead of the Kingston. You'll still have a little bit of money left over. I trust Samsung and Crucial drives above all others, simply based on experience. Other people might have different opinions, but those two SSD brands are in general highly revered.


That Kingston drive is based on the old, slow, buggy, and outdated Sandforce 2.0 platform - it's not very good. You want an SSD based on Marvell (Crucial M500, Sandisk Extreme II), Indilinx (OCZ Vector), or the Samsung 840 Pro.
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