New system build -- Assistance please.

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I'm looking to buy a new system and was thinking of building. My last system was purchased in CA from Future Shop and runs a Quad Core Q660 2.4ghz. I'm still running it today but it is about 5 years old and showing signs of dying on me. Periodically it will shutdown and then not turn back on easily. Typically when this happens I have to unplug all USB devices and then turn it on and plug them in one at a time. This indicates to me that I'm using the Power Supply to pretty much it's full potential.

After 5 years, I'm thinking that it is time to get a new system anyway. For the most part the power is sufficient, however recently (for the last year or two) I've been running Linux Mint 13 with a Virtualbox Windows 7 guest. The VB Windows Guest is on all the time as I need to be able to go back and forth for business. I quite often (but not daily) use Photoshop which is quite a bit more limiting now since I'm running inside a VB Guest. I'm fairly limited on ram in this machine but I cannot add any more (I'm topped out at 4GB). I set 1.6GB to the guest and the rest to my host. The problem is that in Photoshop I run into memory issues a fair amount.

The computer seems to be getting slower, but I'm doing a fair amount with it. As mentioned VB is open all day, then I run my regular apps, I also use it as a multimedia server (I have 4xHDD in it what has 10TB) running 2-3 tv/media devices.

I do a fair amount of transcoding converting my DVD's to my computer. I never play games, even if I do they are very small games without any real resource drain. I was just planning on using the onboard graphics card as a result.

So it is a well used machine. I also sometimes toy around with coding so on top of all that I'll throw in compiling software, etc.

My new build I want to be a work horse like my current one was. If I bought what I "needed" 5 years ago, I would have had to replace 2 computers since then. So, but spending a little more at that time I was able to get many more years with little upgrading (some ram and a power supply) over the years. I want the same thing out of my new machine.

Here is what I'm thinking of getting:
- Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire Intel Haswell Ready Power Supply
- Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound AS5-3.5G - OEM
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-16GXM
- ASRock Z87 Extreme6 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
- Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K
- Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564 - Retail
- ADATA XPG SX900 ASX900S3-256GM-C 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Total Price: $1,231

Opinions? Suggestions? I've spent the better part of today reading reviews and while I was initially thinking of going with AMD processors because they are quite a bit cheaper, it seems that Intel offers far superior performs for multi-threaded uses, which I think I qualify for since often I'm transcoding and working in the VB Windows Guest at the same time, scanning documents into Acrobat, etc.

Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. BTW, my intention is to set it up as follows, so if anyone knows of any compatibility issues, please let me know:

HOST: Linux Mint 15
SSD: I will partition this 256 GB drive as follows:
1) 80GB mounted to /
2) 24GB mounted to swap
3) 24GB mounted to /opt
4) 128GB for holding the VB Guest Disk.VDI file

HDD'S:
1) 1TB Toshiba (stock with my current computer) mounted as /home
2) 2TB x 2 mounted for /media/storage (multimedia storage)
3) 4TB mounted for /media/storage (multimedia storage)
 

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BTW... A couple of questions:

1) Is it worth it for me, with what I use it for, to spend the extra $30 on the 4770k to overclock it instead of 4770?
2) PC-1866 is currently on special right now with a coupon code going to $119 vs. $144 for the PC-1600. Both are G. Skills ripjaws X series. Will I notice a difference?
 

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Opinions? Suggestions? I've spent the better part of today reading reviews and while I was initially thinking of going with AMD processors because they are quite a bit cheaper, it seems that Intel offers far superior performs for multi-threaded uses, which I think I qualify for since often I'm transcoding and working in the VB Windows Guest at the same time, scanning documents into Acrobat, etc.

Well first off it's ridiculous to purchase a Rosewill Thor if you don't need an XL-ATX motherboard. There's also way better cases and CPU coolers you can go with.

1) Is it worth it for me, with what I use it for, to spend the extra $30 on the 4770k to overclock it instead of 4770?
2) PC-1866 is currently on special right now with a coupon code going to $119 vs. $144 for the PC-1600. Both are G. Skills ripjaws X series. Will I notice a difference?

1. Yes - you will notice a huge difference especially on redraw times.
2. No. It's not worth the extra money to get faster RAM.
 

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Well first off it's ridiculous to purchase a Rosewill Thor if you don't need an XL-ATX motherboard. There's also way better cases and CPU coolers you can go with.
I was thinking of that case because of the number of bays for the HDD's that I'll have. Do you have any other suggestions that also have front usb connectors?

2. No. It's not worth the extra money to get faster RAM.
Unless I'm wrong, the 1866 is faster than the 1600. The 1866 is cheaper. I read something today that 1600 is the best bang for the buck, but if the 1866 is cheaper, I was going to go with that one. The timing on it was something like 9-10-9 or something but the 1600 was 9-9-9-24.
 

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I was thinking of that case because of the number of bays for the HDD's that I'll have. Do you have any other suggestions that also have front usb connectors?

How many hard drives do you plan on running?

Unless I'm wrong, the 1866 is faster than the 1600. The 1866 is cheaper. I read something today that 1600 is the best bang for the buck, but if the 1866 is cheaper, I was going to go with that one. The timing on it was something like 9-10-9 or something but the 1600 was 9-9-9-24.

It is slightly faster but the speed of RAM really doesn't affect the performance of your build one way or the other. Plus going over a certain speed will void warranties - both the motherboard and CPU. If the motherboard won't support fast RAM speeds and you try to overclock it, it has the potential to be, not good to say it lightly.
 

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How many hard drives do you plan on running?
Currently I have 4 mechanical (2x2TB, 1x4TB, 1x1TB), adding 1 more mechanical (3TB) and 1 SSD (256GB). I'm converting all my movies (DVD's) to the computer as a media server.

The SSD is for the OS's (host Linux and Guest Windows in Virtualbox). All data will be stored on the mechanical drives, not the SSD. I just want the SSD for fast booting and loading times.
 

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Have you considered a case that allows for hot swapping HDs like the Corsair 800D or the Thermaltake S71? That might make more sense than buying an ultra large tower like the Thor.
 

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Have you considered a case that allows for hot swapping HDs like the Corsair 800D or the Thermaltake S71? That might make more sense than buying an ultra large tower like the Thor.
The Corsair case is $259, which I don't really want to spend that. As well there are only 6 3.5" bays and that is as many as I need now. I would like room to upgrade later without having to buy another case.

Thermaltake S71 case $139, which is in the price range. However, the Thor has more bays and is $10 cheaper because it is on special right now.

Is there any specific reason the Thor is no good?
 

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What I do not like about the Thor is just that it's too gigantic and cumbersome. You don't need it unless you're running a custom liquid cooling setup or an XL-ATX motherboard. If the Corsair 800D is too steep, maybe get an external HD cage that allows for hot swapping hard drives. That might be another way to go.

What about the other equipment. Is there any opinions on that. Does it sound like it will serve my purposes, especially serve my purposes for years to come.

On the original system you don't need the extra thermal compound, you're just throwing away money there. Get a different fan - something from Noctua, Cooler Master, or Corsair. For your uses you might not need a i7-4770K, probably an i5-4670 would be a better choice. What is the max you are willing to spend?
 

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What is the max you are willing to spend?
$1,000 +/- is the amount that I'm willing to spend. I want to get the fastest execution time that I can get for that price. And, the longest life possible with my usage for that price (i.e. minimum 5 years). So, I'm willing to "overbuy" right now for the processor to make sure that it will last a little longer.

On the original system you don't need the extra thermal compound, you're just throwing away money there.
Do you not need thermal compound when installing the cpu cooler? It's been a while since I built a system. Does it come with the cpu's? Or, do you just not need it anymore?

Get a different fan - something from Noctua, Cooler Master, or Corsair.
What about this? It seems that it is recommended a lot?
Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 140mm UFB (Updraft Floating Balance) CPU Cooler
If not, what would you recommend in the <$100 space?

 

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I'm confused with the CPU coolers. What should I be looking for? Why is this Thermalright being recommended here, but then in other threads/questions I see people recommending the Phanteks. Yet in other ones some recommend the water coolers. I'm really confused with this and would appreciate some help with that.

As well, I'm currently looking at some other motherboards to see if I can shave the cost down. I currently NEED 7xSATA connections. I have the following:
1x 500GB (came with computer -- toshiba)
2x 1.5TB WD Green
1x 3TB WD Green

I'm getting with the system the ADATA 256GB SSD.

What is the difference when I see:
6 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s by Intel Z87
2 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s by ASMedia ASM1061

I need 7 connectors for sure, but would prefer more if I add more HDD's.
 
I'm confused with the CPU coolers. What should I be looking for? Why is this Thermalright being recommended here, but then in other threads/questions I see people recommending the Phanteks. Yet in other ones some recommend the water coolers. I'm really confused with this and would appreciate some help with that.

Both are good. I like that thermalrigth better. It do have only one fan So it is more silent.
Phantex is not bad cooler but more noise can't be so good. IMO. Originally this cooler was planed to work without any fans. It was 100$ cooler when it came out.
Look this. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2012/11/16/thermalright-macho-rev-a-review/1

Water coolerslook but they are really loud And silent air coolerperforms as well.
If do custom loop water cooler then it is good. Cheap all in one water coolers do have not so good pums and radiators. Radiators are made from alimium. Dood rads are made from copper. So they perform better.

As well, I'm currently looking at some other motherboards to see if I can shave the cost down. I currently NEED 7xSATA connections. I have the following:
1x 500GB (came with computer -- toshiba)
2x 1.5TB WD Green
1x 3TB WD Green
'm getting with the system the ADATA 256GB SSD.

What is the difference when I see:
6 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s by Intel Z87
2 x SATA 6.0 Gb/s by ASMedia ASM1061I need 7 connectors for sure, but would prefer more if I add more HDD's.
Okey here is couple Asus Z87-PLUS or Gigabyte UD3H They do have 8 sata ports.
Difrent sata controller. So there is 6+ 2
Or you need to pci-e sata / sas card. They have 8 sata ports.

 

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1. Before I recommend anything do you need monitor, OS, and peripherals? Or is it just the tower?

2. You do need thermal compound when you install a CPU. But purchasing extra is simply not necessary because if you purchase a high end cooler, it will come with compound. Noctua and Cooler Master include high grade thermal compound with their fans and essentially if you purchase one of those you're buying the same part twice. You might as well throw money away. :lol:

3. Yeah that Phanteks fan is excellent from the reviews I've seen. It's comparable to the Noctua D14, which I also highly recommend. Alternately you could look at a low end liquid cooler like the Corsair H110i, NZXT Kraken X60, or the Swiftech H220 if it's still available.
 

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1. Before I recommend anything do you need monitor, OS, and peripherals? Or is it just the tower?
NO. I don't need anything else.

2. You do need thermal compound when you install a CPU. But purchasing extra is simply not necessary because if you purchase a high end cooler, it will come with compound. Noctua and Cooler Master include high grade thermal compound with their fans and essentially if you purchase one of those you're buying the same part twice. You might as well throw money away. :lol:
Okay, thank you.
3. Yeah that Phanteks fan is excellent from the reviews I've seen. It's comparable to the Noctua D14, which I also highly recommend. Alternately you could look at a low end liquid cooler like the Corsair H110i, NZXT Kraken X60, or the Swiftech H220 if it's still available.
The H90 is on special for $70. I saw some reviews that indicate that it might perform about the same as the D14.
 

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