AMD 7970 or GTX 770???

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I'm looking to upgrade my graphics card, and I was originally set on the 7970.

But after reading some mixed reviews, I'm really not sure what to go for.

I have an Advent DT2111 and I would really appreciate some help,
Thanks,
 
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RhodesW

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I'm not that bothered about the 3 free games. I just want the best GPU for gaming.
 
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This guy is talking out of his ass
 
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Do you know approximately when the new nvidia GPU will be released?
 
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Well I often see posters claiming that AMD cards OC better than Nvidia ones and I also had difficulty in getting a reference clocked AMD card, so much so that I don't think they exist but I can get get reference clocked Nvidia cards quite easily so what does the company have to hide? Why do none of its cards seem to be sold at reference clocks?
 
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Ok, I'll wait until then

One more question; is it worth upgrading my case? i was thinking of getting the Cooler Master Cosmos II Ultra Black for the "future-proof" aspect. As i previously said, i currently have an Advent DT2111 with the original case,

Thanks again,
 
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My intention here is to help the OP out if I can, not to get into a debate over who makes better graphics cards or what model this person should buy, that is his decision. I just wanted to inform him that AMD was very close to the release of a whole series, like 10 days from now is the scheduled announcement and I have seen HIS’s whole product list to date on them, so it is very soon. I hate buying something and then a few weeks later the new version comes out for less money and more performance, I am sure this person feels the same. If he could wait a couple weeks he may be a happy camper.

I never said anything about Nvidia because their new line up is not expected until Q1 of 2014, a long ways away. Yet it looks like they will introduce a couple 700 series cards this year, a 750Ti and a 790 or Titan Ultra rumored to be under $1000. The OP seems like he is looking for a better card than the 750Ti is going to be so I did not say anything about it and the 790 is way out of his range.

With that said, I don’t think I have an answer to any of your questions really, opinion perhaps. I think a lot of OC capability is determined by the vender who makes the cards, the choice of memory chips, the power sub-system and so on. Whether an Nvidia or AMD GPU OC better than the other I would not have a clue. Your observation about finding a Ref. AMD card has escaped my attention, you have a good eye on this. I guess I don’t know either why this is so. Maybe it is a marketing game to give the illusion their GPUs OC better, I mean they could set the reference clocks at anything they want of course way under the capability. I have read AMD is always slightly in the lead as far as process nodes are concerned and Nvidia plays catch up. Have read about the new 800 series made with the new GCN 2.0 process to 28nm coming next year, they (Maxwell) are meant to be 20nm chips later on. But AMD is ahead of the game here yet Nvidia does not to hold off too long after Hawaii launches to bring Maxwell out.


 
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The reason I implied his comment seemed a bit argumentative and relatively dismissive is because he said "we can say the same thing about nvidia... wait for new nvidia gpu then choose". As AMD is coming out on Sept 25th if my info is correct, Nvidia is 6 months away, big difference. When he says "amd is an overclocked product company .... but nvidia is a reference gpu company", what bearing what so ever does that have to do with the question asked by the OP, it serves only to complicate matters and introduce theatrical opinion.

All graphics cards today can be OCed to some extent to get very close to the next card in the food chain, but I find this train of thought somewhat meaningless. MSI's new Lightning 780 is factory OC's faster than a Titan, but when you OC the Titan it runs away from the 780, right?

Considering the pros and cons of SLIing cheaper cards over a single high end card is always good to go over with someone, especially if multi displays come into play. Anyway, the landscape will change after Hawaii is here and good set ups today may not be preferred then.
 
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Saying that someone is out of their mind when you know full well what they meant is a bit insulting don't you think? And as you are not the OP do you not think its a bit presumptuous to say what they might think is important to think about when making a purchase?
 
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Cases are like cars, it is always nice getting a new one :). Just looked at it and WOW it is indeed a stylish design with lots of cooling. Could not find a review but CM makes good stuff and you could not go much wrong here. If you may have plans in the future for 3 screen gaming the 4GB may work out better, if not the 2GB would be just fine I think.

 
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Well I often see posters claiming that AMD cards OC better than Nvidia ones and I also had difficulty in getting a reference clocked AMD card, so much so that I don't think they exist but I can get get reference clocked Nvidia cards quite easily so what does the company have to hide? Why do none of its cards seem to be sold at reference clock''

your right! thats what i tried to explain ... its like the new cpu fx 9590 ... nothing new with this one , they only use more power to increase the clock speed
 
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i'm currently looking to be as "futureproof" as possible, so i'll probably go for the 4gb or maybe one of the new 8000 series depending on the price tag. I am using one monitor at the moment but I will probably end up with another after a few months.

And the case... quite expensive but as you said, a stylish design with lots of cooling so i'll probably go with that.

And another question (sorry for the continuous barrage of questions) the 4gb gtx 770 is made by different companies such as EVGA, gigabyte and asus; does the company make that much of a difference because they have different price tags?

And one more question, i currently have an amd 6670 and it has said to be a smaller card than most; will most other cards fit in my current case if i buy a new card before a new case or should i get the case first?

One LAST question (apologies) how hard is it to change cards and cases? will I be able to do it myself or will i need a more qualified person to do it?

Thanks,
 
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I never said anyone was out of their mind, how do you gather that from what I said? I had no idea what he was talking about so I asked him what he was talking about, he did not respond, you did. Show me where I insulted anyone, I carefully worded my comment to explain exactly how I interpreted his comment.

No I am not the OP or badboyrog either. I was not going to say another word about his comment after I said I don't think he knows what he is talking about because he did not come back to enlighten the OP or myself to the relevance. You did and I talked with you about it, you told me what he was saying and why he did, cool, I get it now. But now that I get it I think it does not help the discussion, you led me to that conclusion.

 
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It was that string of posts that led me to make my comment as you appeared to show that you did know what he was talking about and yet you chose to tell someone else that he had no idea what he was talking about which would suggest that he is out of his mind, get it now?
 
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sorry if i posted something who can be a subject to interpret , the only thing i wanted to tell to rhodes was dont buy a product because they give you a candy with it (3 free games) and after that i added a comment about taking care about the best gpu to buy... i tried to explain in my words.. but maybe badly?? about taking care about what the people can say about the futur of the product ( here ..gpu ) nobody can stipulate on something nobody can really know before it become a reality , and like mousemonkey explained in his words about amd and nvidia (overclocked and reference gpu ) ... his explanation was a lot better then mine sorry! , an i have nothing against endeaver he have the right to explain his point of view... so in the futur i will not post a think like that , i will just post a basic , short and clear answer
sorry for any inconveniences
 
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I posted an update but I don't think that it registered with the site for whatever reason as it's not appearing on the thread (probably to do with my awful connection).I'll post it again below; apologies if you have already seen it but It's not appearing on my end...




i'm currently looking to be as "futureproof" as possible, so i'll probably go for the 4gb or maybe one of the new 8000 series depending on the price tag. I am using one monitor at the moment but I will probably end up with another after a few months.

And the case... quite expensive but as you said, a stylish design with lots of cooling so i'll probably go with that.

And another question (sorry for the continuous barrage of questions) the 4gb gtx 770 is made by different companies such as EVGA, gigabyte and asus; does the company make that much of a difference because they have different price tags?

And one more question, i currently have an amd 6670 and it has said to be a smaller card than most; will most other cards fit in my current case if i buy a new card before a new case or should i get the case first?

One LAST question (apologies) how hard is it to change cards and cases? will I be able to do it myself or will i need a more qualified person to do it?

Thanks,
 
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