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September 15, 2013 2:31:27 PM

**EDIT**

I think I've been reading the wrong temperature..

Here is a picture of the HWMonitor window and it's readings it is giving me: http://imgur.com/NiBzOTF

So, as you can see by my super duper awesome Photoshop skillz, I have been reading the CPU Temperature boxed in blue, labeled number 1. However, after looking stuff up online, people have shown their temps for the AMD FX-8350, which is circled and labeled as number 2 in my picture. My question..which temperature matters more? Number 1 or 2?

After testing out the same game (Chivalry) with the second temperature, that one seems to go up to about 50-55C. With rendering, I rendered a video for 10 minutes or so, and the highest it ever got to was 57C. And right after I closed those programs, it went all the way back down to the 20-30C range as you can see in the picture.

The first CPU temperature is always 10-15C higher than the second temperature, which is weird. I am seriously hoping the second temperature is what actually matters..

Okay, edit over!

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I built a brand new PC with an AMD 8350 CPU. I am also using the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, but I am getting a bit worried about temp's while gaming/video rendering.

I use HWMonitor to check the temperature of my CPU, and when I play games like Chivalry, the CPU goes up to about 70C, and will fluctuate anywhere between 70-75C. When rendering the videos I record, it will get to temp's around 65-70C. While the PC is idle, it'll go down to about 30-35C.

Are these temperatures okay for this CPU? I'm not very PC smart, so I'm a bit worried that these temperatures are too high and that it'll screw me over one day..
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September 15, 2013 2:42:15 PM

Jason04 said:
I built a brand new PC with an AMD 8350 CPU. I am also using the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, but I am getting a bit worried about temp's while gaming/video rendering.

I use HWMonitor to check the temperature of my CPU, and when I play games like Chivalry, the CPU goes up to about 70C, and will fluctuate anywhere between 70-75C. When rendering the videos I record, it will get to temp's around 65-70C. While the PC is idle, it'll go down to about 30-35C.

Are these temperatures okay for this CPU? I'm not very PC smart, so I'm a bit worried that these temperatures are too high and that it'll screw me over one day..


That temperature for you CPU is WAY too high. The most your CPU should reach before throttling occurs is around 62C. With that cooler either you didn't install it correctly or you have a faulty thermometer.
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September 15, 2013 3:00:24 PM

Drew010 said:
Jason04 said:
I built a brand new PC with an AMD 8350 CPU. I am also using the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, but I am getting a bit worried about temp's while gaming/video rendering.

I use HWMonitor to check the temperature of my CPU, and when I play games like Chivalry, the CPU goes up to about 70C, and will fluctuate anywhere between 70-75C. When rendering the videos I record, it will get to temp's around 65-70C. While the PC is idle, it'll go down to about 30-35C.

Are these temperatures okay for this CPU? I'm not very PC smart, so I'm a bit worried that these temperatures are too high and that it'll screw me over one day..


That temperature for you CPU is WAY too high. The most your CPU should reach before throttling occurs is around 62C. With that cooler either you didn't install it correctly or you have a faulty thermometer.


Well crap..building this PC was an absolute nightmare for me considering I was so nervous throughout the whole thing. Getting it to work was a miracle, now I need to go back and re-apply the cooler? This is going to be fun..
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September 15, 2013 3:23:56 PM

Did that cooler have plastic film over the heat sink? Did you remove it? I have seen this happen before I even did it once when I built my first XSPC water cooling setup. Because that cooler should be doing much better on that CPU. Best bet would be to remove the heatsink clean the heatsink and CPU and re apply the TIM and heatsink and see if your temp go down.
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September 15, 2013 3:45:12 PM

bryonhowley said:
Did that cooler have plastic film over the heat sink? Did you remove it? I have seen this happen before I even did it once when I built my first XSPC water cooling setup. Because that cooler should be doing much better on that CPU. Best bet would be to remove the heatsink clean the heatsink and CPU and re apply the TIM and heatsink and see if your temp go down.


Yes, it had the plastic film on the bottom, and I removed that. So you think it's a problem with the thermal paste I applied?
I have the PC in a little cubby area on this desk, and it doesn't have the best airflow to be honest..and I have a psu wire that only reaches its socket on the mobo if it goes underneath the gfx card and around the heatsink, even though the wire itself still touches one of the corners of the heatsink. Would any of this be the reason why my cpu is up to 70-75C? Or is it most likely the thermal paste?
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September 15, 2013 3:56:06 PM

1.) You need to get the case to an area with better air flow...even under the desk would be better.

2.) How many case fans do you have? I recommend at least 2x120mm Intake (front of the case if you can) and 1x120mm exhaust (rear or top of case). If you don't have that many fans, I would consider adding fans to your case.

3.) The TIM application could easily be what's causing your high temps. Make sure you get a very thin and even layer (as possible) to ensure proper heat dissipation.

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September 15, 2013 4:10:08 PM

8350rocks said:
1.) You need to get the case to an area with better air flow...even under the desk would be better.

2.) How many case fans do you have? I recommend at least 2x120mm Intake (front of the case if you can) and 1x120mm exhaust (rear or top of case). If you don't have that many fans, I would consider adding fans to your case.

3.) The TIM application could easily be what's causing your high temps. Make sure you get a very thin and even layer (as possible) to ensure proper heat dissipation.



**8350Rocks..I have updated the original post..if you could look at that, that would be great!

Well there are some problems with what you suggested..

1) I can't really move case because there is really no room anywhere else. The cables are able to JUST reach the PC where it is now..if I moved it I wouldn't be able to connect anything to it.

2) I've got two case fans. I don't see any other area to connect a fan on my motherboard, since all cpu_fan sockets are being used (the heatsink fan is connected to one as well). If I did have room to connect another fan, I still wouldn't be able to get one right now. I'm broke! This PC is brand new, took away all my money :p .

3) I applied the thermal paste the same way a friend of mine who apparently "builds computers for a living" told me to do it. Basically I just put a little teardrop amount of paste in the center..and connected the Hyper 212 on top. I think one corner of the cpu has no thermal paste though, but it's a very small area. Could that be the problem? Also, what is the best way to apply thermal paste? Hope I didn't do it wrong..
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September 15, 2013 9:13:26 PM

First post updated with additional info. Would really like an answer to this!

Thanks! :) 
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September 15, 2013 10:00:38 PM

I have an 8350 at 4.2.
same cooler.
my temps are half yours.

when i really use my apu i get around 32c
at max 100% load on all 8 cores i once hit 47c

usually i am around 22-25c.

CPUID is a great tool. it has features that show you your temps.
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September 15, 2013 10:10:59 PM

spyrizzle said:
I have an 8350 at 4.2.
same cooler.
my temps are half yours.

when i really use my apu i get around 32c
at max 100% load on all 8 cores i once hit 47c

usually i am around 22-25c.

CPUID is a great tool. it has features that show you your temps.


Well what I wanted to know, is what temperature should I be looking at in the pic I linked in the original post?
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September 15, 2013 10:20:14 PM

Look at number one.
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September 15, 2013 11:05:10 PM

spyrizzle said:
Look at number one.


Really? Damn it. I'm just so confused because I'm getting mixed reviews from what I'm reading. Some people on forums say that the "Package" temperatures is what matters, others (and you) say its the CPU Temperature (number 1 int he pic) that matters.
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September 15, 2013 11:05:14 PM

spyrizzle said:
Look at number one.


Really? Damn it. I'm just so confused because I'm getting mixed reviews from what I'm reading. Some people on forums say that the "Package" temperatures is what matters, others (and you) say its the CPU Temperature (number 1 int he pic) that matters.
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September 16, 2013 6:27:53 AM

I look at the Package Temp and the Top temp. The top temp is typically a little higher on my HWMonitor. Though both fall well within normal ranges for me.

Your thermal paste application sounds right...the only issue I could see, would be if you used too much thermal paste when you put it on the CPU. Though it sounds like you did it right, it may be worth doing it again to double check.
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September 16, 2013 11:29:45 AM

8350rocks said:
I look at the Package Temp and the Top temp. The top temp is typically a little higher on my HWMonitor. Though both fall well within normal ranges for me.

Your thermal paste application sounds right...the only issue I could see, would be if you used too much thermal paste when you put it on the CPU. Though it sounds like you did it right, it may be worth doing it again to double check.


Thanks for the reply!

So, the top temperature for me is always 10C or so higher, and it goes up above the max temp the 8350 CPU should get, which is 61C. The top temp will go to about 67-70C, maybe even up to the 73-75ish range when performing hard for 2ish hours or so. The bottom temp, however, stays at around 55C range.

Is this bad that the top temp is that high? Even though the "Package" temp is at a fairly good spot? I also downloaded Core Temp and compared the temperatures on there with the HWMonitor temperatures, and it seems like on Core Temp, the heat of the CPU is always the same as the "Package" temp. It always matches up with the "Package" temperature, and not raising through the roof like the top CPU temp is on HWMonitor (Although I don't really know how spot on Core Temp actually is).

So in your opinion, do thigns seem fine with my cpu? Or do you think I should re-apply thermal paste just in case? I don't want to screw it up more by re-applying. Always scared of messing up parts considering I'm very new to this whole build a pc thing. =P
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September 16, 2013 2:15:29 PM

Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.
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September 16, 2013 4:39:50 PM

8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0
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September 16, 2013 5:01:52 PM

Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...
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September 16, 2013 5:31:25 PM

8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...


Well if the bottom temp is what really matters, and the thing I should be looking at and paying close attention to, do I really need to worry about the top temp?

I mean, I'm pretty confused by all this too considering I'm not too pc smart, but if you think cleaning and re-applying thermal paste would help, I guess I could do that in the next couple of days (need to buy some Isopropyl alcohol since I have none of that if I'm going to do this). Not sure what material I would use to wipe it off. Paper towel? Certain type of fabric?

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September 16, 2013 5:50:39 PM

Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...


Well if the bottom temp is what really matters, and the thing I should be looking at and paying close attention to, do I really need to worry about the top temp?

I mean, I'm pretty confused by all this too considering I'm not too pc smart, but if you think cleaning and re-applying thermal paste would help, I guess I could do that in the next couple of days (need to buy some Isopropyl alcohol since I have none of that if I'm going to do this). Not sure what material I would use to wipe it off. Paper towel? Certain type of fabric?



Cheese cloth or paper towel, microfiber rags seem to work well too. That's what I would advise at this point. Your socket temp shouldn't exceed 70C MAX. Your core temp shouldn't exceed 62C MAX.

So keep those guidelines in mind.
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September 16, 2013 6:02:44 PM

8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...


Well if the bottom temp is what really matters, and the thing I should be looking at and paying close attention to, do I really need to worry about the top temp?

I mean, I'm pretty confused by all this too considering I'm not too pc smart, but if you think cleaning and re-applying thermal paste would help, I guess I could do that in the next couple of days (need to buy some Isopropyl alcohol since I have none of that if I'm going to do this). Not sure what material I would use to wipe it off. Paper towel? Certain type of fabric?



Cheese cloth or paper towel, microfiber rags seem to work well too. That's what I would advise at this point. Your socket temp shouldn't exceed 70C MAX. Your core temp shouldn't exceed 62C MAX.

So keep those guidelines in mind.


Alright, I'll see what I can do thermal paste wise in the next couple of days. I will update you after I nervously take my heatsink and cpu apart =P Thanks for the help!
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September 16, 2013 6:54:40 PM

Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...


Well if the bottom temp is what really matters, and the thing I should be looking at and paying close attention to, do I really need to worry about the top temp?

I mean, I'm pretty confused by all this too considering I'm not too pc smart, but if you think cleaning and re-applying thermal paste would help, I guess I could do that in the next couple of days (need to buy some Isopropyl alcohol since I have none of that if I'm going to do this). Not sure what material I would use to wipe it off. Paper towel? Certain type of fabric?



Cheese cloth or paper towel, microfiber rags seem to work well too. That's what I would advise at this point. Your socket temp shouldn't exceed 70C MAX. Your core temp shouldn't exceed 62C MAX.

So keep those guidelines in mind.


Alright, I'll see what I can do thermal paste wise in the next couple of days. I will update you after I nervously take my heatsink and cpu apart =P Thanks for the help!


Wooooah there, I wouldn't take your actual CPU apart! =P
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September 16, 2013 7:04:49 PM

Drew010 said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Jason04 said:
8350rocks said:
Cleaning everything off, then re-applying thermal paste wouldn't hurt. The top temp is your socket temp, and frankly it shouldn't run that high...what's your MB? Maybe you need a VRM heatsink.


My motherboard is the ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0


Well, that's a good MB. No doubt there...

Hmm...not sure why the discrepancy...


Well if the bottom temp is what really matters, and the thing I should be looking at and paying close attention to, do I really need to worry about the top temp?

I mean, I'm pretty confused by all this too considering I'm not too pc smart, but if you think cleaning and re-applying thermal paste would help, I guess I could do that in the next couple of days (need to buy some Isopropyl alcohol since I have none of that if I'm going to do this). Not sure what material I would use to wipe it off. Paper towel? Certain type of fabric?



Cheese cloth or paper towel, microfiber rags seem to work well too. That's what I would advise at this point. Your socket temp shouldn't exceed 70C MAX. Your core temp shouldn't exceed 62C MAX.

So keep those guidelines in mind.


Alright, I'll see what I can do thermal paste wise in the next couple of days. I will update you after I nervously take my heatsink and cpu apart =P Thanks for the help!


Wooooah there, I wouldn't take your actual CPU apart! =P


Oh? So smashing it open with a hammer isn't the way to do this? =P You know what I mean!
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September 16, 2013 7:10:57 PM

Just looking at your snap your whole case temps look high, everything in there is running over 100 F. Not a problem at stock and light to medium power draw, but could go into meltdown during heavy gaming sessions. If you can't afford more fans, your HS mount seems ok by your description, but as 8350 Rocks pointed out, high end GPU and CPU in a Midi tower with limited case fans in confined enclosed space spell potential trouble.

IMO you need to increase the heat sink and the only way you have of doing that at the moment is to take the top cover off the case and wait until you can install more case fans or actively ventilate the confined space in which the tower is currently placed. Re pasting the HS fan I think will yield little.

As for what is the right temp? Well that varies according to the ambient temp of the environment and yours appears to be too high.
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September 16, 2013 7:51:24 PM

harna said:
Just looking at your snap your whole case temps look high, everything in there is running over 100 F. Not a problem at stock and light to medium power draw, but could go into meltdown during heavy gaming sessions. If you can't afford more fans, your HS mount seems ok by your description, but as 8350 Rocks pointed out, high end GPU and CPU in a Midi tower with limited case fans in confined enclosed space spell potential trouble.

IMO you need to increase the heat sink and the only way you have of doing that at the moment is to take the top cover off the case and wait until you can install more case fans or actively ventilate the confined space in which the tower is currently placed. Re pasting the HS fan I think will yield little.

As for what is the right temp? Well that varies according to the ambient temp of the environment and yours appears to be too high.


Well the problem with new fans is that all the CPU_FAN sockets on my motherboard are being used by the two case fans I have already, and the heatsink fan. If I were to install new fans, how would I power them?
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September 16, 2013 9:54:24 PM

Quick update!

I moved my PC under my desk from its little cubby area. Under the desk is the only other place I can move it really, and I had a hard time getting the wires to reach and connect, so this seems like the final spot for it. It is standing on a cold tile basement floor, with a bit more freedom to breathe.

Not sure how much of a difference this is going to make, but I'll see if things change like this. Also, I can no longer stretch my legs out under my desk, so this better be worth my lack of leg freedom! :p 
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September 17, 2013 6:00:11 AM

Jason04 said:
Quick update!

I moved my PC under my desk from its little cubby area. Under the desk is the only other place I can move it really, and I had a hard time getting the wires to reach and connect, so this seems like the final spot for it. It is standing on a cold tile basement floor, with a bit more freedom to breathe.

Not sure how much of a difference this is going to make, but I'll see if things change like this. Also, I can no longer stretch my legs out under my desk, so this better be worth my lack of leg freedom! :p 


Don't worry, now that your CPU knows you won't be smashing it open with an ice pick and a hammer it will be much more efficient and therefore run cooler!
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September 17, 2013 3:00:55 PM

Drew010 said:
Jason04 said:
Quick update!

I moved my PC under my desk from its little cubby area. Under the desk is the only other place I can move it really, and I had a hard time getting the wires to reach and connect, so this seems like the final spot for it. It is standing on a cold tile basement floor, with a bit more freedom to breathe.

Not sure how much of a difference this is going to make, but I'll see if things change like this. Also, I can no longer stretch my legs out under my desk, so this better be worth my lack of leg freedom! :p 


Don't worry, now that your CPU knows you won't be smashing it open with an ice pick and a hammer it will be much more efficient and therefore run cooler!


Hahah, well if it ever steps out of line and heats up, out comes the hammer!
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January 1, 2014 11:15:23 PM

Jason04 said:
Drew010 said:
Jason04 said:
Quick update!

I moved my PC under my desk from its little cubby area. Under the desk is the only other place I can move it really, and I had a hard time getting the wires to reach and connect, so this seems like the final spot for it. It is standing on a cold tile basement floor, with a bit more freedom to breathe.

Not sure how much of a difference this is going to make, but I'll see if things change like this. Also, I can no longer stretch my legs out under my desk, so this better be worth my lack of leg freedom! :p 


Don't worry, now that your CPU knows you won't be smashing it open with an ice pick and a hammer it will be much more efficient and therefore run cooler!


Hahah, well if it ever steps out of line and heats up, out comes the hammer!


I have the same issues with my temp readings. Ive overlcoked my cpu, getting about 67c under full load in hwm using Intelburner or whatever its called however the cpu cores are always around 10c lower then the package temp. Ive increased the voltage however to get a stable 4.6ghz out of the cpu so your temps sound way to high with no over clocking.

I cant seem to get a fully confirmed response to which temp matters most but I think the 70/62 advice is what ill go with. If anyone has better advice please do let us know,

Oh Jason, might need a better heatsink and fan maybe? Your temps, as I say, are high considering your running at stock.
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